1.17.2 Preliminary Itemization Changelog

[Dragunovi]

Greetings! Here's the preliminary itemization changelog detailing all item related additions and changes coming in Patch 1.17.2: Tower of Karazhan.

This list will be updated as more changes are done or revised, so keep in mind that these changes are subject to change. Check back here often so you don't miss anything!

Summary:

• We've taken a second look at all of the Gilneas City loot and increased the power of most gear to make the dungeon worth running even without quests.

• We've turned the dial back slightly on most of the Moroes drops.

• Made most of the underperforming caster staves in tiers below Naxxramas more worthwhile to use.

• Adjusted quite a few dungeon drops, especially changing Uncommon items in dungeons at or above level 40 to be Rare quality and buffed accordingly.

• Buffed reputation rewards for Warsong Gulch and Arathi Basin, making the grind much more worthwhile.

• Buffed Atiesh for Priest to have spellpower equal to Warlock and Mage, and Atiesh for Druid to have more feral attack power, changed the aura granted to be useful for all roles and added spellpower similiar to the Priest version.

Stat Adjustments:

• Meditation's stat budget has seen a lookover. In simple terms: Some items should see a small nerf while some items should see an overall buff from this change. If a Meditation item is not listed in the stat specific changelog section below then the item is unchanged.

• Resillience is seeing a complete rework. Instead of reducing your chance to be critically struck, it will instead reduce the damage of critical strikes and damage over time effects on you, making it much more oriented for PvP combat, as it was mostly utilized by PvE tanks to get rid of critical strikes from bosses.
  
  The conversion rate is: 1% reduced chance to get critically struck is turned into 3% reduced damage from critical strikes and damage over time effects. To avoid any confusion, anything in the changelog that lists resillience as 3% is for the new version of the stat, equal to 1% of the old version.
  
  Please keep in mind that this change will go live alongside other class centric changes such as the addition of the Alternative Tier Sets and the second batch of Class Changes, don't look at this in a vacuum.

Item Adjustments

• Staff of Dominance: Intellect reduced from 37 to 34, Spellpower increased from 40 to 53.

• Staff of the Qiraji Prophets: Intellect reduced from 26 to 22, Spellpower increased from 56 to 72.

• Shadow Wing Focus Staff: Intellect reduced from 40 to 32, Spellpower increased from 56 to 72, Added 1% Spell Hit.

• Band of Servitude: Spellpower increased from 23 to 27, Stamina reduced from 8 to 5, Intellect reduced from 9 to 5.

• Ring of the Academy: Spellpower reduced from 16 to 12.

• Visor of Command: The strength aura's range has been increased from 20 to 35 yards, and no longer gets overriden by other strength buffs.

• Jadestone Protector: Replaced 1% Resillience with 1% Block. Increased Defense from 8 to 9.

• Gold Ore: Now uses the proper Gold Ore icon instead of reusing the Copper Ore icon.

• Wing of the Time-Lord: Haste reduced from 2% to 1%.

• Bonereaver's Edge: Procs per minute returned to original Vanilla value, reducing it from 3 to 2.

• Biznicks 247x128 Accurascope: Changed enchant text from "+3% Hit" to "Scope (+3% Ranged Hit)". This is only a description update to make it clear that this enchant only increases ranged hit chance, functionality remains unchanged from Vanilla.

• New Item Set: Possessions of the Lost. Perhaps the long dead should be disturbed after all.

• Eye of Diminution: Spell critical chance increased from 2% to 3%.

• Atiesh (Priest): Spellpower increased from 120 to 150 to be on par with the other full spellpower versions.

• Atiesh (Druid): Class special aura changed from 11 MP5 to 2% Haste. Feral Attack Power increased from 420 to 600. Now also grants 150 Spellpower similiar to the Priest version.

• Spinal Reaper: Mana granted increased from 150 to 300.

• Warmth of Forgiveness: Increased mana granted on use from 500 to 700.

• Libram of Divinity/Totem of Sustaining and Libram of Light/Totem of Life: Healing reduced from 53 to 28 for the former two and healing reduced from 83/80 to 41/40.
  
  This change was done because the effect implies that this effect functions like healing power obeying coefficients, while these effects actually functioned as flat healing increase, after this these relics should increase healing by approximately the original intended amount displayed on the items. In short terms, this made these items be slightly more than double in power, equalling around 123 healing power for the rare relics and around 189 healing power for the epic ones. To prevent further confusion around these items we've removed the "up to" text from these items to fully represent they are flat healing increases.

Meditation Item Adjustments

• Fey Dreamcatcher: Now grants 5% Meditation passively instead of an active on use HoT.

• Ring of Forlorn Spirits: Removed 7 Spirit, reduced Meditation from 5% to 4%.

• Sandals of Inner Peace: Reduced Intellect from 10 to 8, reduced Spirit from 15 to 12.

• Isle Watcher's Sash: Reduced Meditation from 5% to 4%, replaced 3 Agility with 3 Spirit.

• Green Dragonscale Breastplate, Gauntlets and Leggings: Reduced Meditation from 5% to 3%.

• Obsidian Gem Choker: Increased Intellect from 3 to 5, increased Spirit from 2 to 5, increased Spellpower from 9 to 11.

• Empowered Power Core: Reduced MP5 from 5 to 4.

• Earthborn Kilt: Reduced Intellect from 29 to 12, replaced 12 Stamina with 26 Spirit.

• Loop of the Forgotten: Reduced Meditation from 5% to 4%.

• Leggings of Arcana: Reduced Spirit from 30 to 28, reduced Intellect from 20 to 18.

• Mantle of Twisted Damnation: Increased Shadow Spellpower from 14 to 24, increased Meditation from 5% to 6%.

• Memento of the Lost: Reduced Meditation from 5% to 4%.

• Shroud of Haunted Torment: Removed 2% Haste.

• Verdant Dreamer's Breastplate: Reduced Intellect from 18 to 15.

• Gloves of Rapid Evolution: Reduced Spirit from 32 to 28.

• Vestments of Eternal Autumn: Increased Intellect from 12 to 15, increased Stamina from 8 to 14, increased Meditation from 5% to 7%.

• Shell of the Great Sleeper: Reduced Meditation from 5% to 4%.

• Verdant Eye Necklace: Reduced Meditation from 5% to 3%.

• Staff of the Dreamer: Increased Healing Power from 121 to 134.

Lower Karazhan Halls

• Rod of Resuscitation: 25 Intellect -> 23 Intellect ; 25 Stamina -> 24 Stamina

• Cloudplate Wristguards: 17 Stamina -> 16 Stamina ; 13 SP -> 11 SP ; 356 Armor -> 346 Armor

• Anasterian's Legacy: 57-104 Damage -> 54-101 Damage ; 12 Agiity -> 9 Agility

• Breastplate of Earthen Might: 44 Attack Power -> 36 Attack Power ; 458 Armor -> 446 Armor

• Leggings of the Inferno: 22 Agiity -> 20 Agiity

• Vest of Encroaching Darkness: 39 Spellpower -> 35 Spellpower

• Fist of the Forgotten Order: 194-297 Damage -> 190-293 Damage

• Ansirem's Runeweaver: 151-235 Damage -> 147-230 Damage ; 300 Armor -> 275 Armor

• Leggings of the Misty Marsh: 62 Healing -> 55 Healing ; 97 Armor -> 94 Armor

• Medivh's Foresight: 14 Intellect -> 6 Intellect, Added 11 Spirit, 1 Haste -> 1 Spell Hit, 20 SP -> 16 SP

• Marshtreader Slippers: 33 Healing -> 40

Dungeon Loot Buffs:

Gilneas City:

• Swiftcaster's Chapeau: 3 Intellect -> 18 Intellect, 13 Stamina -> 9 Stamina, 9 Spirit -> 11 Spirit, 13 Spellpower -> 18 Spellpower, Removed 1% Haste

• Greymane Vambraces: 2 Strength -> 6 Strength, 4 Spirit -> 5 Spirit

• Greymane Gauntlets: Added 7 Strength, 5 Spirit and 6 Stamina.

• Regal Goldforged Breastplate: 14 Agility -> 19 Agility, 14 Intellect -> 8 Intellect

• Robe of Light's Ambassador: 1% Holy Critical Chance -> 29 Healing Power

• Wolfblood: Added 18 Strength

• Gilneas Shackles: 7 Agility -> 8 Agility, 4 Stamina -> 5 Stamina, 2 Spirit -> 3 Spirit

• Worgen Hunter Musket: 4 Spirit -> 4 Stamina, 1 Haste -> 12 Attack Power

• Regal Robes of the Regent: 14 Intellect -> 11 Intellect, 14 Stamina -> 7 Stamina, 14 Spirit -> 22 Spirit

• Greymane Helmet: 13 Strength -> 17 Strength, 14 Stamina -> 18 Stamina

• Sutherland's Cuffs: 1% Vampirism -> 14 Shadow Spellpower

• Orb of Aka'thar: 4 Agility -> 4 Intellect

• Greymane Gauntlets: Removed 1% Vampirism, Added 11 Agility, Added 9 Spirit

• Greymane Legplates: 7 Stamina -> 9 Stamina, Removed 4 Spirit

• Greymane Sabatons: 5 Spirit -> 6 Spirit, 4 Strength -> 10 Strength

Razorfen Downs:

• Bonefingers: Upgraded to Rare quality, added 1% Spell Hit.

• Swine Fists: Upgraded to Rare quality, increased Agility and Strength from 9 to 11 and 10 respectively.

• Glutton's Cleaver: Upgraded to Rare quality, chance on hit bleed's damage increased from 50 to 70.

• Deathchill Armor: 20 Spirit -> 24 Spellpower

• Robes of the Lich: Reduced Stamina from 20 to 10, added 1% spell hit and critical.

• Mordresh's Lifeless Skull: Removed Spirit, Increased Stamina from 5 to 11, Added 40 Armor

• Glowing Eye of Mordresh: Removed Intellect, Added 5% Meditation.

• Icemetal Barbute: Replaced 7 Spirit with Agility.

• Plaguerot Staff: Renamed to Plaguemaw's Staff of Rotting.

• Plaguerot Sprig: Replaced 7 Shadow Resistance with 8 Spellpower, No longer limited to Mages.

Maraudon:

• Brusslehide Leggings: Upgraded to Rare quality, Increased Stamina from 11 to 16, Increased Intellect from 15 to 17.

• Chloromesh Girdle: Upgraded to Rare quality, Added 13 Spellpower.

• Vinerot Sandals: Replaced 12 Spirit with 12 Spellpower.

• Infernal Trickster Leggings: Increased Intellect from 9 to 11, Replaced +4 Bows with 1% Physical Hit.

Uldaman:

• Galgann's Firehammer: Upgraded to Rare quality, increased procs per minute from 0.6 to 0.9.

• Rockshard Pauldrons: Upgraded to Rare quality, reduced Intellect from 9 to 7, replaced 9 Spirit with 26 Attack Power.

• Emberscale Cape: Upgraded to Rare quality, Increased Stamina from 10 to 12, increased Spirit from 3 to 6.

• Oilskin Leggings: Upgraded to Rare quality, Increased Agility from 13 to 20, now reduces Fire Resistance by 5.

• Baelog's Shortbow: Upgraded to Uncommon quality, now increases Agility by 5.

• Battered Viking Shield: Upgraded to Uncommon quality.

• Stoneweaver Leggings: Replaced 8 Intellect with 5% Meditation.

Zul'Farrak:

• Gahz'rilla Scale Armor: Removed Spirit, Increased Stamina from 10 to 23, Added 14 Nature Spellpower and 3 Lightning damage on attack.

• Gahz'rilla Fang: Upgraded to Rare quality, damage reflect proc's damage increased from 10 to 15, effect proc chance increased from 0.6 to 0.9 PPM.

• Jinxed Hoodoo Kilt: Reduced Spirit from 24 to 21, reduced Intellect from 10 to 8, added 5% Meditation.

• Jinxed Hoodoo Skin: Increased Stamina from 10 to 13, replaced 20 Spirit with 3% Vampirism.

Scarlet Monastery: Graveyard:

• Bloody Brass Knuckles: Upgraded to Rare quality, now has 8 Strength.

Deadmines:

• Rockslicer: Upgraded to Rare quality, now has 20 Armor Penetration.

• Rhahk'Zor's Hammer: Upgraded to Uncommon quality, now has 75 Armor.

Wailing Caverns:

• Serpent's Shoulders: Upgraded to Rare quality, now has 4 Agility and 6 Spirit.

Battleground Reputation Rewards Buffs:

• These changes are only applied for level 58-60 equipment and does not include Alterac Valley and Blood Ring rewards as they're already quite powerful.

• Friendly reputation rewards are buffed from 63 to 66 Item Level.

• Honored reputation rewards are buffed from 63-65 to 68 Item Level.

• Revered reputation rewards are buffed from 65 to 71 Item Level.

• Exalted reputation rewards are buffed from 65 to 71 Item Level, keep in mind these are epic rewards so the buff is more effective comparitively to Rare items.

Warsong Gulch:

Honored:

• Sentinel/Scout's Medallion: Agility increased from 15 to 16, Stamina increased from 10 to 12.

• Protector/Legionnaire's Band: Agility increased from 11 to 12, Stamina increased from 8 to 10.

• Lorekeeper/Advisor's Ring: Spellpower increased from 14 to 16, Stamina increased from 8 to 9.

• Caretaker's Cape/Battle Healer's Cloak: Healing Power increased from 26 to 29, Stamina increased from 11 to 12.

Revered:

• Protector/Legionnaire's Sword: DPS increased from 41.5 to 47, Strength buffed from 13 to 14, Stamina buffed from 5 to 7.

• Sentinel/Scout's Blade: DPS increased from 41.5 to 47, Agility buffed from 13 to 14, Stamina buffed from 5 to 7.

• Outrunner/Outrider's Bow: DPS increased from 32.3 to 36.7, Agility buffed from 4 to 5, Stamina buffed from 10 to 11.

• Lorekeeper/Advisor's Gnarled Staff: Intellect reduced from 13 to 10, Replaced 8 MP5 with 1% Resillience and 32 Spellpower.

Exalted:

• Berserker Bracers: Increased Agility from 8 to 11, increased Stamina from 11 to 13.

• Windtalker's Wristguards: Increased Stamina from 8 to 11,increased Intellect from 8 to 9, replaced 7 Spirit with 8 Agility.

• Forest Stalker's Bracers: Increased Strength from 11 to 13, Increased Stamina from 8 to 11.

• Dryad's Wrist Bindings: Removed 7 Spirit, Increased Stamina from 8 to 14, increased Intellect from 8 to 9.

• Sentinel/Outrider's Chain Leggings: Increased Stamina from 15 to 23.

• Sentinel/Outrider's Leather Pants: Increased Agility from 28 to 31, Increased Stamina ffrom 27 to 30, Extra Armor increased from 60 to 70.

• Sentinel/Outrider's Plate Legguards: Increased Strength from 28 to 31, Increased Stamina from 27 to 30, Extra Armor increased from 60 to 70.

• Sentinel/Outrider's Cloth Leggings: Reduced Intellect from 15 to 14, increased Spellpower from 28 to 35, Added 1% Spell Crit.

• Sentinel/Outrider's Lizardhide Pants: Reitemized for casters. Removed Strength, Agility and Spirit, Reduced Intellect from 22 to 18, Added 35 Spellpower and 1% Spell Crit.

• Sentinel's Lamellar Legguards: Increased Strength and Stamina from 21 to 24, increased Spellpower from 25 to 27.

• Outrider's Mail Leggings: Removed Strength, Reduced Intellect from 22 to 14, Removed 1% Physical Crit, Added 35 Spellpower.

Arathi Basin:

• All armor excluding trinkets now have 3% resillience. To compensate for this the Resillience set bonus has been moved from 2 items to 3 items.

• The Defiler's Fortitude (The caster shaman centered set) now grants 1% Spell Crit instead of 1% Physical Crit.

• Still a Work in Progress.

Friendly:

• Talisman of Arathor/Defiler's Talisman: Now has 6 Stamina.

Honored:

• Highlander's/Defiler's Chain Girdle: Increased Attack Power from 34 to 38.

• Highlander's/Defiler's Cloth Girdle: Increased Spellpower from 14 to 18.

• Highlander's/Defiler's Leather Girdle: Increased Stamina from 7 to 9, increased Attack Power from 34 to 38.

• Highlander's/Defiler's Lizardhide Girdle: Reduced Stamina from 10 to 6, reduced Intellect from 17 to 12, added 18 Spellpower.

• Highlander's/Defiler's Plate Girdle: Increased Stamina from 10 to 12.

• Highlander's Lamellar Girdle: Increased Strength from 15 to 16, increased Stamina from 6 to 8, increased Intellect from 10 to 12.

• Defiler's Mail Girdle: Reduced Stamina from 10 to 6, reduced Intellect from 17 to 12, added 18 Spellpower.

Revered:

• Highlander's/Defiler's Chain Greaves: Increased Agility from 16 to 17, increased Stamina from 15 to 16.

• Highlander's/Defiler's Cloth Boots: Reduced Intellect from 8 to 6, increased Spellpower from 12 to 18.

• Highlander's/Defiler's Leather Boots: Increased Stamina from 16 to 17, increased Agility from 12 to 15, increased Attack Power from 16 to 20, reduced extra armor from 60 to 40, though it will still have a higher armor value than before due to the item level increase.

• Highlander's/Defiler's Lizardhide Boots: Increased Stamina from 16 to 17, increased Intellect from 8 to 9, removed 8 Agility and 16 Attack Power, added 18 Spellpower, reduced extra armor from 60 to 40, though it will still have a higher armor value than before due to the item level increase.

• Highlander's/Defiler's Plate Greaves: Increased Stamina from 12 to 15, increased Agility from 12 to 14.

• Highlander's Lamellar Greaves: Increased Strength from 14 to 15, increased Stamina and Intellect from 8 to 10, increased Agility from 12 to 14.

• Defiler's Mail Boots: Reduced Intellect from 8 to 4, removed 15 Agility, added 18 Spellpower and 4 MP5.

Exalted:

• Cloak of the Honor Guard/Deathguard's Cloak: Increased Stamina from 11 to 13, increased Agility from 5 to 9, added 3% Resillience.

• Ironbark Staff: Increased Spellpower from 41 to 53, increased Armor from 100 to 200, increased Stamina from 19 to 28.
  • Sageclaw/Mindfang: Increased Spellpower from 30 to 40, increased Armor from 40 to 80, increased Stamina from 8 to 14.

• Highlander's/Defiler's Leather Shoulders: Increased Stamina from 17 to 20, increased Attack Power from 30 to 32, reduced extra armor from 100 to 60.

• Highlander's/Defiler's Epaulets: Increased Spellpower from 12 to 20.

• Highlander's/Defiler's Chain Pauldrons: Increased Stamina from 18 to 20, increased Agility from 20 to 22, increased Intellect from 17 to 18.

• Highlander's/Defiler's Lizardhide Shoulders: Increased Stamina from 17 to 18, increased Intellect from 12 to 17, reduced extra armor from 100 to 60, removed 12 Agility and 30 Attack Power, added 20 Spellpower and 5% Meditation.

• Highlander's/Defiler's Plate Spaulders: Increased Strength from 18 to 22, increased Agility from 17 to 18.

• Highlander's Lamellar Spaulders: Increased Stamina from 15 to 17, increased Intellect from 10 to 12.

• Defiler's Mail Pauldrons: Removed Strength and Agility, increased Stamina from 18 to 19, added 20 Spellpower.

[Fizzler]

I think you guys should revisit Warmth of Forgiveness. It’s just an unwanted healing trinket from 4 hm. Otherwise okayish changes.

[Yggd]

I think you guys should revisit Warmth of Forgiveness. It’s just an unwanted healing trinket from 4 hm. Otherwise okayish changes.

lol so true, such a waste lol just like Loltheb's reflection

[Oolaatris]

Before making too many more white dungeon items into uncommon items (the bow from Uldaman stands out and there are some that were changed ages ago on the server) remember that we have Vagrant challenge now. Those white dungeon items are highly desirable if doing Vagrant and feel like they have a purpose now that such a challenge exists.

Overall I'm super hype for these changes!! Awesome work!

[Ghola]

buffed atiesh to be replaced with scythe of elune?

[Uatu]

Why remove vampirism items from greymane items and other gilneas items?

[Chudman123]

Very cool changes.

For the WSG rep rewards I would argue you could buff them a bit more by adding a set bonus.

For example looking at plate r12 pants have 743 armor and one more crit but 11 less str and 2 less sta.

If you then consider half of the 2 item set bonus it works out to be r12 plate pants vrs wsg (both ilevel 71)

93 more armor
8 more sta
11 less str
1 more crit

Which is a decent amount better for the same item level.

Again zero complaints I very much appreciate changes, simply suggesting a set bonus for WSG 2 piece so it's on par with items of the same level.

[Chudman123]

The set bonus could be defensive as well as to not make it PvE oriented

Maybe + all resists or more armor or even like something wsg themed like you heal 1k if you kill efc lol

[Xudo]

Please more bracers to warsong reputation.
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[Springboards]

why nerf servitude? There is already an 18 dmg 1% crit ring(dragonslayer), along with like 5 18 dmg rings(songstone/eye of org,sandswept ring,infinite possibilties..

[Atreidon]

I have to agree, servitude serves as an important piece of gearing for casters who don't want extra stats like haste or crit. (Namely shadowpriests, dot warlocks and healers who haven't found better rings yet)
At the itemlvl its designed for you generally don't see people being upset about getting it. Can we please instead use that statline for Ring of the Desert Winds? That one is actual garbage

[Elleshar]

Nice changes, especially the buffs to some of the pvp rep items.

[Manletow]

Nice changes, especially the buffs to some of the pvp rep items.

Indeed! I just hit Exalted with Defilers and was sickened by how awful some of these 'epic' rewards were.
The Cloak for example had pathetically low stats. +5 Agility lolwut

[Nemoose]

Hey,
after a quick glare over the possible changes I noticed an imbalance with the following items (some maybe allready on the live server.):

"Glowing Eye of Mordresh: Removed Intellect, Added 5% Meditation." vs. https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=60790 +6 spirit for 24 item level

https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=2043 vs. https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=60798 +9 spirit for 28 item level

https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=80830 vs. https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=60809 +9 spirit for 29 item level

aswell as an suggestion to make raremobs have a range in their spawntime and/or make all the items BOP, because as soon as an item is valuable one player will kill it, let an addon read the spawntime from the server and mostlikely have a monopoly of that item for a long time. I think that happend to a lot of items from raremobs in the past.

Thanks for reading my thoughts on the subject and excuse potential erros, english is not my native language.

[Ovaron]

• Resillience is seeing a complete rework. Instead of reducing your chance to be critically struck, it will instead reduce the damage of critical strikes and damage over time effects on you, making it much more oriented for PvP combat, as it was mostly utilized by PvE tanks to get rid of critical strikes from bosses.

Thanks for letting every tank farm BR exalted to nerf it after some time.
Give us more defense then - you cant gear with 440 defense and expect to do some threat.

[Burunduk]

Shaman totems will be nerfed???

We will never forgive you...

[Aalena]

Hi, really liking the idea to update some of the leveling dungeon loot, makes it feel more rewarding to run them!

However, I don't understand why you're taking away some vampirism from the Greymane armour. I felt it added some nice personality to the set.
Also: Greymane Gauntlets: Removed 1% Vampirism, Added 11 Agility, Added 9 Spirit
Do we really need SPIRIT on it?

[Elleshar]

Nice changes, especially the buffs to some of the pvp rep items.

Indeed! I just hit Exalted with Defilers and was sickened by how awful some of these 'epic' rewards were.
The Cloak for example had pathetically low stats. +5 Agility lolwut

Agreed, hope they buff the cloak as well.

[Elleshar]

Also interesting if there will be any changes in the future to the pvp sets as well or if the resilience stuff will mostly come from the blood ring gear. I imagine the powerspike will be even more noticeable for pvp vs pve gear when future raids will be released with new items. Think resilience is a good way to go though to combat some of that, same way it works in retail. Also would not make pve people forced to pvp and vice versa as has been done with BR already.

If rated arenas were ever to become a thing it could open up even more expanded BR gear as well then just getting exalted with them.

[Geojak]

considern keeping both old resillience "-1% change to get critically struck" on some items and the new resillience around on pvp items. tanks are already cursing you dragunovi

[Blackfox]

You're making druid Atiesh extremely desirable for any druid for PvP.
This buff pushes it way ahead of any other spec specific weapon, but it's all in one! Basically BiS caster weapon, BiS healer weapon and BiS feral weapon all in one at all times.

[Templar85]

You're making druid Atiesh extremely desirable for any druid

I am glad they making it after 20 years of being way subpar compared to other caster variants.

Basically BiS caster weapon, BiS healer weapon and BiS feral weapon all in one at all times.

As it rightfully should be as a Legendary Item. I think, I am the only druid in the server who have it or maximum 3 more but I do not think many more. We don't know yet about new pvp and arena items. There might be better weapons for PVP than a legendary.

[Liljon]

Mostly good changes, but I really have to question the point of Resilience now. It was put almost exclusively on gear that drops from PvE, and it gave a massive PvE benefit and a nice way to itemize. Now, all the grind that people put in is now completely invalidated, and it's complete garbage. What even is the point in this? Is it not possible to keep Resillience as it is, and make an ACTUAL PvP stat instead?

[Zengrimm]

First post i make on a twow Forum.
I think the Resillience change is not a good idea. The defcap to be crit immune is unreasonable high and this stat did not only help warris to reach it, it made becoming crit immune as pala or druid possible in the first place.
So even if its meant to be a PvP stat it fixed that issue.
And for PvP youll always wear the high lvl items from raids if you can, noone will wear the PvP gear if they have acces to naxx or AQ40.
pls reconsider

[Chudman123]

Maybe they could keep Resillience the same and change pvp gear to have the new stat ?

Also just a simple damage reduction by X percent by other players only would be amazing since it's pvp only stat and main issue with gear power creep is the instant deletion of others.

[Bigsmerf]

As a feral main, Atiesh being buffed as good as it's been is incredibly huge (even if I'll never have it lol) because of how bad the situation is with MCP being permanent bis.

[Zulnam]

We don't know yet about new pvp and arena items. There might be better weapons for PVP than a legendary.

I don't know. It would be hard to beat 600 AP. Maybe something with slightly less AP but equally ludicrous and a "chance on equip" proc (lord knows weapons like that are few and far between).

But overall I like the changes. Since we are talking itemisation I would like to suggest a next step, further down the line:

Epic wepaon quests for all classes.

Currently, only 2 classes have an epic weapon quest: hunter and priest.

The shaman does have an epic item quest, but the reward is underwhelming to say the least (probably also because it is much easier to do compared to the other ones).

I know it would be a lot of work, but getting similar epic quest chains from dropable items for each class would be very cool.

[Offerduo]

Nice work!
Just for curiosity, would these change be applied to newly looted items only or to the existing items as well?

[Drubarrymooer]

I would also put some amount of +armor on the druid ateish.

[Zvyrhol]

• Spinal Reaper: Mana granted increased from 150 to 300.

Hidden Paladin buff? Why further buffing already overpowered item?

[Chudman123]

• Spinal Reaper: Mana granted increased from 150 to 300.

Hidden Paladin buff? Why further buffing already overpowered item?

I have it on warrior and it's 20 rage. 150 mana is way less than 20 rage

Also shamans use it too

[Dragunovi]

Hey,
after a quick glare over the possible changes I noticed an imbalance with the following items (some maybe allready on the live server.):

"Glowing Eye of Mordresh: Removed Intellect, Added 5% Meditation." vs. https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=60790 +6 spirit for 24 item level

https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=2043 vs. https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=60798 +9 spirit for 28 item level

https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=80830 vs. https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=60809 +9 spirit for 29 item level

aswell as an suggestion to make raremobs have a range in their spawntime and/or make all the items BOP, because as soon as an item is valuable one player will kill it, let an addon read the spawntime from the server and mostlikely have a monopoly of that item for a long time. I think that happend to a lot of items from raremobs in the past.

Thanks for reading my thoughts on the subject and excuse potential erros, english is not my native language.

Valid concern, we'll take a second look at the stat budget of the Meditation stat and do changes as needed.

I have to agree, servitude serves as an important piece of gearing for casters who don't want extra stats like haste or crit. (Namely shadowpriests, dot warlocks and healers who haven't found better rings yet)
At the itemlvl its designed for you generally don't see people being upset about getting it. Can we please instead use that statline for Ring of the Desert Winds? That one is actual garbage

Also valid, we might look into another way of buffing it, possibly more raw spellpower.

Why remove vampirism items from greymane items and other gilneas items?

Might consider reverting a few as you're right in the fact that vampirism is part of the set's identity.

Nice work!
Just for curiosity, would these change be applied to newly looted items only or to the existing items as well?

Also applies to existing items.

As for the numerous Resillience comments, you have to remember that these changes should not be looked at in a vacuum, these changes are happening in the same patch as Class Changes 2 and Alternative Specialization Sets which includes sets for Protection Paladins and Feral Druids, so we believed this would be this best patch to go along with this change to make it a proper PvP stat instead of a stat tank specializations have to rely on.

[Ashwhole]

''Gahz'rilla Scale Armor: Removed Spirit, Increased Stamina from 10 to 23, Added 14 Nature Spellpower and 3 Lightning damage on attack.''

This 1 is super nice for spellhance shaman !

[Losroyos]

I understand the reasoning behind the resilience change, but then at least make it easier to get to 440 defense on tanks by not having to focus on hit chance so much if you're not a human/orc by introducing +5 sword/mace/axe/dagger skill books like the bow one you added in Hyjal. Because right now you need to be almost complete T3 geared in order to be uncrittable and be able to keep threat at the same time.

[Ovaron]

As for the numerous Resillience comments, you have to remember that these changes should not be looked at in a vacuum, these changes are happening in the same patch as Class Changes 2 and Alternative Specialization Sets which includes sets for Protection Paladins and Feral Druids, so we believed this would be this best patch to go along with this change to make it a proper PvP stat instead of a stat tank specializations have to rely on.

You must be cooking some really incredible class changes then. Please dont forget warrior tanks. While it is possible to reach defense cap, you cant keep up the threat with said gear.

Resilience was a nice way to gear and it forced you to participate in other game modes too. Even in tbc druid tanks used some items with resilience to be critimmun.
Please reconsider this change, maybe combine the stat as you mentioned with the reduction of beeing critically hitchance.