Turtle WoW is expanding to the East!

[Shaman111]

People will not want to transfer from an already established Server. There will be a few people here and there that might transfer to the Chinese Server but I am willing to bet that the vast majority will not want to give up on the market and all the additional people.

So really they are mostly wasting their time developing this Chinese server unless they will force a transfer which they won't do.

yeah, this server will die for english speaking population if they dont force transfer chinese, might as well just tell us now if they gonna transfer them so we dont waste time here

that would be very honest. ive never felt so out of place playing wow since 2005

[Karrados]

People will not want to transfer from an already established Server. There will be a few people here and there that might transfer to the Chinese Server but I am willing to bet that the vast majority will not want to give up on the market and all the additional people.

So really they are mostly wasting their time developing this Chinese server unless they will force a transfer which they won't do.

You pointed out something I didn’t see specified. Will the Auction House be cross realm with the chinese server or not? I think this will further incentivize the transfers, however don’t know about the long term outcome. I mean, bigger supply of items in AH is good but I’m afraid of price inflation over time.

I obviously cannot speak for the Team but from the sound of it, it will be it's own server. It will be an entirely seperate client and server which means no cross-server/realm Auction or Grouping.

[Geojak]

People will not want to transfer from an already established Server. There will be a few people here and there that might transfer to the Chinese Server but I am willing to bet that the vast majority will not want to give up on the market and all the additional people.

So really they are mostly wasting their time developing this Chinese server unless they will force a transfer which they won't do.

You pointed out something I didn’t see specified. Will the Auction House be cross realm with the chinese server or not? I think this will further incentivize the transfers, however don’t know about the long term outcome. I mean, bigger supply of items in AH is good but I’m afraid of price inflation over time.

Cross server pvp battlegrounds is another idea to combat long waiting times on rarely played bgs like sunny glade

[Azuladrip]

holy fuck i started playing the game again after few months and its bizarre. they are everywhere, looking like christmas trees with gaudy cash shop shit in every slot. every spawn is contested. every escort mob has a party of 4+ chinese camping on it. i dont even see other english speaking people in the wild. the only english i am seeing is on /g like i am in some fucking ghetto. dont even start me on the lag and delay to do anything like i am playing on a dial up

I laughed so hard reading this. It really does sum up the pain.

[Azuladrip]

that would be very honest. ive never felt so out of place playing wow since 2005

Same, actually. I think that's because when I was a kid I really didn't think to look up which servers had foreign populations so it was easy to end up on a very bad server. Nowadays, everyone is made aware in advance to avoid the server that's basically sacrificed to different non-English speakers.

The worst part was when Blizzard would enable free transfers from some of these plague containment zones and then your own server would suddenly get infectedas hundreds started moved over with their shitty behaviors.

I really can't imagine what possesses some dumbasses to speak in their own language in public channels. Complete lack of education and respect.

[Baitaob456]

I strongly disagree with this decision.

In a world divided and increasingly aggressive twow was a great opportunity for cross cultural communication and humanization of the other.

It is difficult to communicate with other cultures, but in the context of a shared game it's easier than on some internet forum or relying on the media to do it for us... all the news tells me is "we are good and they are bad".

Since the influx I've learned some basic chinese phrases (pinyin), and I've observed that some of the chinese population have basic english words or phrases - no doubt we would all learn more while playing together.

What a shame to have thrown that away, and what for? ...so that a vocal minority of players don't have to make an effort to communicate in groups that are typically over-levelled anyway?

A WoW private server isn't the place for your "heal da worl" social messaging. I don't want the extent of my communication with a sizable portion of the playerbase to be one-word phrases like "pull now" or "poly moon" and I shouldn't be obligated to learn "Pinyin" when the server is advertised as primarily English-speaking. The other day I ended up in a raid group full of Chinese players and the party chat was just a stream of completely blank posts; what meaningful conversation was to be had there if the extent of their knowledge of the English language is short phrases that mostly pertain to game mechanics? It's just not good for the social health of an MMO to have that many people you literally can't talk to.

Actually I think this is the proper forum for my relevant comment.

For me, a wow private servers primary purpose is for people to come together with a shared purpose, otherwise what is it for... chasing higher numbers on a digital dice, omg purple item!?? No, it's about people.

I like socializing across cultures and pushing through communication boundaries, and I recognize the important social value of that. If I understand you correctly you like to stay inside your tribe and don't recognize the value in cross-cultural communication.

We can all coexist in turtle-wow, the opportunity here is that the vast majority of communication in wow is non-verbal.

In regard to your specific experience, it's easy to find a raid with English speakers, pick up groups it might be harder sometimes but those only require simple communication and there are other technical solutions that could be implemented regardless. There are, amongst others, German and Russian speaking guilds and groups on the server already and yet you've managed.

This forum reports your location as Australia, your opposition to "social messaging" on East-West relations in general seems foolish given how in the thick of it Australia could be should the international situation continue on course, not that I expect we little people could do much anyway.

I am a Chinese and I am glad to see your comment. Not everyone hates us Chinese, but most Chinese people do not know how to communicate in English. My current response is also using translation software.

Actually, it doesn't matter whether the turtle can run a Chinese server or not, because we are used to adapting to the environment rather than thinking about changing something. After driving, we will choose our own suitable way to play games. As a person, I still enjoy playing with European players. I have also had friends from Germany and Brazil.

Actually, I am not very optimistic about setting up servers in China because our country attaches great importance to copyright, and setting up private servers will be severely punished, unless the servers are still overseas, so it doesn't matter whether there are Chinese servers. For us, the turtle server is a private server, and for Chinese people, a private server is a purely profitable private server that is unstable and unbalanced (excluding turtles)

[Panklaza]

A WoW private server isn't the place for your "heal da worl" social messaging. I don't want the extent of my communication with a sizable portion of the playerbase to be one-word phrases like "pull now" or "poly moon" and I shouldn't be obligated to learn "Pinyin" when the server is advertised as primarily English-speaking. The other day I ended up in a raid group full of Chinese players and the party chat was just a stream of completely blank posts; what meaningful conversation was to be had there if the extent of their knowledge of the English language is short phrases that mostly pertain to game mechanics? It's just not good for the social health of an MMO to have that many people you literally can't talk to.

Actually I think this is the proper forum for my relevant comment.

For me, a wow private servers primary purpose is for people to come together with a shared purpose, otherwise what is it for... chasing higher numbers on a digital dice, omg purple item!?? No, it's about people.

I like socializing across cultures and pushing through communication boundaries, and I recognize the important social value of that. If I understand you correctly you like to stay inside your tribe and don't recognize the value in cross-cultural communication.

We can all coexist in turtle-wow, the opportunity here is that the vast majority of communication in wow is non-verbal.

In regard to your specific experience, it's easy to find a raid with English speakers, pick up groups it might be harder sometimes but those only require simple communication and there are other technical solutions that could be implemented regardless. There are, amongst others, German and Russian speaking guilds and groups on the server already and yet you've managed.

This forum reports your location as Australia, your opposition to "social messaging" on East-West relations in general seems foolish given how in the thick of it Australia could be should the international situation continue on course, not that I expect we little people could do much anyway.

I am a Chinese and I am glad to see your comment. Not everyone hates us Chinese, but most Chinese people do not know how to communicate in English. My current response is also using translation software.

Actually, it doesn't matter whether the turtle can run a Chinese server or not, because we are used to adapting to the environment rather than thinking about changing something. After driving, we will choose our own suitable way to play games. As a person, I still enjoy playing with European players. I have also had friends from Germany and Brazil.

Actually, I am not very optimistic about setting up servers in China because our country attaches great importance to copyright, and setting up private servers will be severely punished, unless the servers are still overseas, so it doesn't matter whether there are Chinese servers. For us, the turtle server is a private server, and for Chinese people, a private server is a purely profitable private server that is unstable and unbalanced (excluding turtles)

Maybe turtle wow team could set up server in Taiwan or Singapore?
Maybe you are good person, I dont know you, but majority of chinese I've ever played with in wow or other games, were cheaters, sold gold and were botting, still population of mainland china is huge af so I might had bad luck with your kin.

[Shaman111]

Actually, I am not very optimistic about setting up servers in China because our country attaches great importance to copyright

on what planet did i wake up on today

[Baitaob456]

Actually I think this is the proper forum for my relevant comment.

For me, a wow private servers primary purpose is for people to come together with a shared purpose, otherwise what is it for... chasing higher numbers on a digital dice, omg purple item!?? No, it's about people.

I like socializing across cultures and pushing through communication boundaries, and I recognize the important social value of that. If I understand you correctly you like to stay inside your tribe and don't recognize the value in cross-cultural communication.

We can all coexist in turtle-wow, the opportunity here is that the vast majority of communication in wow is non-verbal.

In regard to your specific experience, it's easy to find a raid with English speakers, pick up groups it might be harder sometimes but those only require simple communication and there are other technical solutions that could be implemented regardless. There are, amongst others, German and Russian speaking guilds and groups on the server already and yet you've managed.

This forum reports your location as Australia, your opposition to "social messaging" on East-West relations in general seems foolish given how in the thick of it Australia could be should the international situation continue on course, not that I expect we little people could do much anyway.

I am a Chinese and I am glad to see your comment. Not everyone hates us Chinese, but most Chinese people do not know how to communicate in English. My current response is also using translation software.

Actually, it doesn't matter whether the turtle can run a Chinese server or not, because we are used to adapting to the environment rather than thinking about changing something. After driving, we will choose our own suitable way to play games. As a person, I still enjoy playing with European players. I have also had friends from Germany and Brazil.

Actually, I am not very optimistic about setting up servers in China because our country attaches great importance to copyright, and setting up private servers will be severely punished, unless the servers are still overseas, so it doesn't matter whether there are Chinese servers. For us, the turtle server is a private server, and for Chinese people, a private server is a purely profitable private server that is unstable and unbalanced (excluding turtles)

Maybe turtle wow team could set up server in Taiwan or Singapore?
Maybe you are good person, I dont know you, but majority of chinese I've ever played with in wow or other games, were cheaters, sold gold and were botting, still population of mainland china is huge af so I might had bad luck with your kin.

As Chinese people, we also dislike those scammers, coin merchants, and studios. We have severely damaged our gaming environment, but Blizzard has never been able to solve this problem (including most game agents), and gradually we have become accustomed to it. Haha... Actually, most Chinese people are good people, and I personally enjoy overseas culture. Unfortunately, my English is not good enough to achieve normal communication

Regarding the server setup in Taiwan and Singapore, the technical issues will depend on the Turtle Warcraft team

[Baitaob456]

Actually, I am not very optimistic about setting up servers in China because our country attaches great importance to copyright

on what planet did i wake up on today

The times are advancing. Copyright is really integrating into our side. For example, listening to music requires a fee (involving copyright)

[Azuladrip]

The times are advancing. Copyright is really integrating into our side. For example, listening to music requires a fee (involving copyright)

Why would anyone in China care about the copyright to WoW when there isn't even anyone running an official WoW server for Blizzard? I don't get it. This isn't even the latest version of WoW, we're talking about an ancient version that should probably be free at this point in any sane world like many old games are. Has the Chinese government ever shut down a WoW private WoW server after WoW shut down there?

I could see why they would want it to shut it down for many other reasons, like being unable to regulate it or to monitor whether or not minors are playing all day or in the middle of the night. But shutting down a private vanilla WoW server over copyright sounds a bit far-fetched to me.

[Geojak]

i have very high doubts the chinese party would ever allow an unregulated private server game without heavy monitoring AND direct itneraction of chiense with the rest of the world. their is a reason china banned the steam community websites and now chinese have their own steam space striclty firewalled away form us. i wouldnt host in mainland china esepcially since china has good relations with russia and the sevrer ownerss are russians. iamgine china put a criminal offense for tax evation from all the turtle wow donations and ask the russian officials to act. no. i woudl rahter look for somepalce else to host. this might be far fetched but who knows

[Azuladrip]

i have very high doubts the chinese party would ever allow an unregulated private server game without heavy monitoring AND direct itneraction of chiense with the rest of the world. their is a reason china banned the steam community websites and now chinese have their own steam space striclty firewalled away form us. i wouldnt host in mainland china esepcially since china has good relations with russia and the sevrer ownerss are russians. iamgine china put a criminal offense for tax evation from all the turtle wow donations and ask the russian officials to act. no. i woudl rahter look for somepalce else to host. this might be far fetched but who knows

But that's because they want to monitor citizens and see what they're doing and when. It has nothing to do with concerns over copyright.

[Sung]

作为一个中国玩家，我只想说，中国的游戏环境的确没有想象中那么优秀，并且神仙玩家很多，但是也不乏喜欢玩原汁原味的玩家，并且我也不喜欢工作室的破坏游戏环境。
而且，中国的玩家数量是一个恐怖的存在，抛开工作室和那些已经AFK的玩家，乌龟服至少能收获50万玩家。当然了，希望能尽快的优化游戏画面，毕竟我觉得游戏画面是在中国的游戏群内吐槽最多的。其次可以打一个补丁弄个自动拾取么？
and the next
I hope those players who are not in the Chinese region can understand that Chinese Wow players do not have the sadness of playing games, after all, the fuck Blizzard has always abandoned us.
wow more than ten years with me ，so icant play any game ,
The actions of Blizzard and the dissatisfaction of most people with Amazon make me not want to give Blizzard any more money.

Chinese studios will destroy any server of Warcraft

革命尚未成功，同志仍需努力。

[Sung]

If groups are the issue why not add language filters to LFT? Then you can click on “English speakers only” if you want a group that is English speaking only.

Well it's not just that; the server is hitting all-time high peaks at the moment, to the point where some people are having to wait in queue. New players are streaming in which is (according to my guildies) making it increasingly difficult to get quests done due to overpopulation in the starter zones, especially on Alliance. Of course, hardcore players aren't helping much in that department either, and I would have preferred they get their own server first before Chinese players. At least if me and a Chinese player are in the same area we can intuit that we're probably on the same quests, maybe link what we're doing in chat, group up and get shit done with no real communication required, while there's almost never any positive meaningful gameplay interaction to be had between a hardcore and normal player; they're forced into direct competition with each other, which is counter-intuitive in a game where making impromptu groups to overcome challenges basically undergirds almost everything you do, from the very first zone to endgame raids.

more than 50k player coming

[Sung]

holy fuck i started playing the game again after few months and its bizarre. they are everywhere, looking like christmas trees with gaudy cash shop shit in every slot. every spawn is contested. every escort mob has a party of 4+ chinese camping on it. i dont even see other english speaking people in the wild. the only english i am seeing is on /g like i am in some fucking ghetto. dont even start me on the lag and delay to do anything like i am playing on a dial up

Yeah, I stopped logging a month or so ago. I'll wait and see what happens as currently playing isn't fun at all (when you finally can login).
Unfortunately I don't see a 100% working solution to the problem at hand.

if you go ten chinese coming

[Familyislife]

Finally our prayers have been heard by the GODS!!!

Faketank lvl 24 Warrior (Tauren)

[Panklaza]

bump, devs make update on your works!

[Incompleteloser]

Moreover, maybe just... let people do what they want. Unless actual problems are being caused (people being reported, certain scripts not being able to be displayed), what the hell do the mods care if two Italians talk for a bit in Italian? What damage is being caused?

Is your brain broken? How can you be so insufferable? How can you enter a thread about the team opening a CHINESE servers to solve the problem of CHINESE PLAYERS to go on a tangent about how much of lunatic I am for wanting to stop two Italians speaking in Italian when they cross each other every blue moon? Is our server being invaded by Italians, or Chinese? And is it just two Chinese speaking, or does it happen to be that our server is overrun with them, to the extent that I wonder now if even 50% of the people online at any time can speak English? I AFK in front of Goldshire at the tent, I see Chinese. I do a /who of a certain zone, and I get an army of -xiao-(s)

And to answer your ridiculous hypothetical anyway since you seem incapable of simple common sense: it obviously depends. If the server were 99% English-speaking, then yeah, I don't think I or anybody else would be that bothered by two random Italians chatting in Italian once they recognize each other. However, that tolerance comes at a price. If that ratio starts to tick in favor of non-English speakers and goes up to 2%, then 3%, then 4%, till we're looking at a 1/10 ratio of people who are playing and can't speak English, at that point draconic regulations must be put in place and enforced before the entire server goes to shit and gets surrendered to non-English speakers, as happened here. The point of extreme rules being enforced with precision is to stop further degeneration and restore things to something workable, not to spitefully ruin the experience of certain players out of xenophobia and racism.

Outside the autistic world of theoreticals, there's what is actually existing and affecting people. We aren't--or at least I'm not--here to test the logic of some hypothetical. If our biggest problem was some 8-person guild of people who spoke only in Catalan, or Yiddish, or in Latin, then yeah, this conversation wouldn't be happening and I wouldn't give the softest shit, which I'm sure goes for the vast majority of people in this thread who stand on my side on this issue. But that's not what we have. We have a very specific problem: thousands upon thousands of Chinese players who don't speak English and who are slowly taking over the server due to sheer numbers.

EDIT: And just to make it clear unless you can't understand this, I'm not American. English isn't my first language, or even my second. I'm not some Anglo supremacist trying to get everyone to speak English. But this is an English server. You can either speak English, or get fucked. Not my problem.

It seems pretty clear to me that your only problem here is the fact that people from China are playing this game. Your concern is that they're "taking over the server?" What does that even mean? How does having a strong playerbase from that country equal "the entire server goes to shit?"

[Einfachnurmav]

Moreover, maybe just... let people do what they want. Unless actual problems are being caused (people being reported, certain scripts not being able to be displayed), what the hell do the mods care if two Italians talk for a bit in Italian? What damage is being caused?

Is your brain broken? How can you be so insufferable? How can you enter a thread about the team opening a CHINESE servers to solve the problem of CHINESE PLAYERS to go on a tangent about how much of lunatic I am for wanting to stop two Italians speaking in Italian when they cross each other every blue moon? Is our server being invaded by Italians, or Chinese? And is it just two Chinese speaking, or does it happen to be that our server is overrun with them, to the extent that I wonder now if even 50% of the people online at any time can speak English? I AFK in front of Goldshire at the tent, I see Chinese. I do a /who of a certain zone, and I get an army of -xiao-(s)

And to answer your ridiculous hypothetical anyway since you seem incapable of simple common sense: it obviously depends. If the server were 99% English-speaking, then yeah, I don't think I or anybody else would be that bothered by two random Italians chatting in Italian once they recognize each other. However, that tolerance comes at a price. If that ratio starts to tick in favor of non-English speakers and goes up to 2%, then 3%, then 4%, till we're looking at a 1/10 ratio of people who are playing and can't speak English, at that point draconic regulations must be put in place and enforced before the entire server goes to shit and gets surrendered to non-English speakers, as happened here. The point of extreme rules being enforced with precision is to stop further degeneration and restore things to something workable, not to spitefully ruin the experience of certain players out of xenophobia and racism.

Outside the autistic world of theoreticals, there's what is actually existing and affecting people. We aren't--or at least I'm not--here to test the logic of some hypothetical. If our biggest problem was some 8-person guild of people who spoke only in Catalan, or Yiddish, or in Latin, then yeah, this conversation wouldn't be happening and I wouldn't give the softest shit, which I'm sure goes for the vast majority of people in this thread who stand on my side on this issue. But that's not what we have. We have a very specific problem: thousands upon thousands of Chinese players who don't speak English and who are slowly taking over the server due to sheer numbers.

EDIT: And just to make it clear unless you can't understand this, I'm not American. English isn't my first language, or even my second. I'm not some Anglo supremacist trying to get everyone to speak English. But this is an English server. You can either speak English, or get fucked. Not my problem.

It seems pretty clear to me that your only problem here is the fact that people from China are playing this game. Your concern is that they're "taking over the server?" What does that even mean? How does having a strong playerbase from that country equal "the entire server goes to shit?"

I haven't read through the entire thread, since it's too much to read, but from what i've read thus far, you haven't understood what Azuladrip was trying to say.. well.. he did not just "trief", he "did" tell, what he meant.
It's not about chinese people per se, but about the unwillingnes (or inability) to communicate in english. You 'may' even complement it with some cultural incompatibilities regarding gaming culture. But it don't wanna go into that direction further.
As was already stated, there was a huge influx of chinese Player. If they were just a small percentage, that wouldn't be that much of a problem, but if there is like.. idk if there's any chart about how many players come from which country, so i'm making here an (propably exaggerated) assumption: but if there's like 50% chinese players, who are either unwilling or unable to speak english (on an english server!!) that can lead to frustration very quickly, since you can't do what an MMORPG is standing for. (or.. should stand for) Communication, meeting new people, play together. And you can't play together, if there's not a linguistic basis.
And if people get frustrated, they might leave the server. So that you might consider as "taking over" or "server goes to shit". Well.. not going to shit for the chinese, but for everyone else, who's getting frustrated with this problem.
I don't know if you've ever heared it, but in some countries they are taking in so many migrants/refugees, that some people feel "foreign in their own country", and this is scaring people. You may kinda copy that example for the server as well. People who were here before the influx are fearing, that people might quit because of this and that theywill quit as well in the end.

TLDR: in the end it's all about the non-existing linguistic basis between chinese and the rest of the world that is frustrating people. And they don't want to play a game to get frustrated.

[Paw]

To get to know one-another most commonly you needn't use many words in an MMORPG. In times before everyone stuck with the english language which is as much as a barrier as it is a link referring to "broken english". However if u think about it the bloom opened a new era that allows a care-free and widely interactive gaming atmosphere.

[Shaman111]

new era of sitting in a 3k quene on early afternoon, of every single spawn and node being contested by people who dont communicate and dont want to communicate. keep it

[Xxaczzz]

Queues are fine, but thousands of skinny bots not communicating with anybody is a shame. It was a wonderful server, but now it is a piece of ....
I would not donate for 10k tokens if I knew this happen

[Azuladrip]

It seems pretty clear to me that your only problem here is the fact that people from China are playing this game. Your concern is that they're "taking over the server?" What does that even mean? How does having a strong playerbase from that country equal "the entire server goes to shit?"

And it seems clear to me that based on your reading comprehension you're borderline mentally deficient. Or maybe you're just lazy and don't bother reading a thread you're responding to first? Either way, epic fail.

[Azuladrip]

Is your brain broken? How can you be so insufferable? How can you enter a thread about the team opening a CHINESE servers to solve the problem of CHINESE PLAYERS to go on a tangent about how much of lunatic I am for wanting to stop two Italians speaking in Italian when they cross each other every blue moon? Is our server being invaded by Italians, or Chinese? And is it just two Chinese speaking, or does it happen to be that our server is overrun with them, to the extent that I wonder now if even 50% of the people online at any time can speak English? I AFK in front of Goldshire at the tent, I see Chinese. I do a /who of a certain zone, and I get an army of -xiao-(s)

And to answer your ridiculous hypothetical anyway since you seem incapable of simple common sense: it obviously depends. If the server were 99% English-speaking, then yeah, I don't think I or anybody else would be that bothered by two random Italians chatting in Italian once they recognize each other. However, that tolerance comes at a price. If that ratio starts to tick in favor of non-English speakers and goes up to 2%, then 3%, then 4%, till we're looking at a 1/10 ratio of people who are playing and can't speak English, at that point draconic regulations must be put in place and enforced before the entire server goes to shit and gets surrendered to non-English speakers, as happened here. The point of extreme rules being enforced with precision is to stop further degeneration and restore things to something workable, not to spitefully ruin the experience of certain players out of xenophobia and racism.

Outside the autistic world of theoreticals, there's what is actually existing and affecting people. We aren't--or at least I'm not--here to test the logic of some hypothetical. If our biggest problem was some 8-person guild of people who spoke only in Catalan, or Yiddish, or in Latin, then yeah, this conversation wouldn't be happening and I wouldn't give the softest shit, which I'm sure goes for the vast majority of people in this thread who stand on my side on this issue. But that's not what we have. We have a very specific problem: thousands upon thousands of Chinese players who don't speak English and who are slowly taking over the server due to sheer numbers.

EDIT: And just to make it clear unless you can't understand this, I'm not American. English isn't my first language, or even my second. I'm not some Anglo supremacist trying to get everyone to speak English. But this is an English server. You can either speak English, or get fucked. Not my problem.

It seems pretty clear to me that your only problem here is the fact that people from China are playing this game. Your concern is that they're "taking over the server?" What does that even mean? How does having a strong playerbase from that country equal "the entire server goes to shit?"

I haven't read through the entire thread, since it's too much to read, but from what i've read thus far, you haven't understood what Azuladrip was trying to say.. well.. he did not just "trief", he "did" tell, what he meant.
It's not about chinese people per se, but about the unwillingnes (or inability) to communicate in english. You 'may' even complement it with some cultural incompatibilities regarding gaming culture. But it don't wanna go into that direction further.
As was already stated, there was a huge influx of chinese Player. If they were just a small percentage, that wouldn't be that much of a problem, but if there is like.. idk if there's any chart about how many players come from which country, so i'm making here an (propably exaggerated) assumption: but if there's like 50% chinese players, who are either unwilling or unable to speak english (on an english server!!) that can lead to frustration very quickly, since you can't do what an MMORPG is standing for. (or.. should stand for) Communication, meeting new people, play together. And you can't play together, if there's not a linguistic basis.
And if people get frustrated, they might leave the server. So that you might consider as "taking over" or "server goes to shit". Well.. not going to shit for the chinese, but for everyone else, who's getting frustrated with this problem.
I don't know if you've ever heared it, but in some countries they are taking in so many migrants/refugees, that some people feel "foreign in their own country", and this is scaring people. You may kinda copy that example for the server as well. People who were here before the influx are fearing, that people might quit because of this and that theywill quit as well in the end.

TLDR: in the end it's all about the non-existing linguistic basis between chinese and the rest of the world that is frustrating people. And they don't want to play a game to get frustrated.

I already said in all my previous posts that it wouldn't matter if they're Brazilian, Russian, or Turkish, Polish, or whatever else. That guy is just a complete moron who isn't even bothering to read the posts he's responding to.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter where the community invading the server is from. The fact that they're all Chinese on our server is just a matter of fact.

[Azuladrip]

To get to know one-another most commonly you needn't use many words in an MMORPG. In times before everyone stuck with the english language which is as much as a barrier as it is a link referring to "broken english". However if u think about it the bloom opened a new era that allows a care-free and widely interactive gaming atmosphere.

No, it fucking isn't. This is the most insane thing I've ever heard. This is an ENGLISH SERVER. People aren't being randomly selected at gunpoint from across the world and told, "Listen, buddy, you're gonna play Turtle WoW HC and get to 60. By the way, it's an English server, so if you don't speak it, good luck."

NO. You CHOSE to play on an English server. You went to the Turtle WoW website, you saw what this server was, you read the rules, and in every place you looked you saw one thing: FUCKING ENGLISH.

What you're saying is nonsensical, and would only apply if this server were open to everyone to begin with as a free for all until the team arbitrarily chose to make the server English-only. But guess what, that never happened. IT WAS ALWAYS AN ENGLISH SERVER. Get that through your head. People aren't asking for the Turtle WoW team to make up new rules and apply them unfairly. They are asking them to apply the rules THAT ALREADY EXIST and have been in place for YEARS.

Also, on your comment that you don't need to use "many words in an MMORPG." Tell me, are you aware that the server you're on is a roleplaying server - technically? It's the very definition of a server in which "many words" are required. If all you can say is "invite" "WTS" "WTB" "LFG/LFM", you're literally worse than a bot.

[Incompleteloser]

Is your brain broken? How can you be so insufferable? How can you enter a thread about the team opening a CHINESE servers to solve the problem of CHINESE PLAYERS to go on a tangent about how much of lunatic I am for wanting to stop two Italians speaking in Italian when they cross each other every blue moon? Is our server being invaded by Italians, or Chinese? And is it just two Chinese speaking, or does it happen to be that our server is overrun with them, to the extent that I wonder now if even 50% of the people online at any time can speak English? I AFK in front of Goldshire at the tent, I see Chinese. I do a /who of a certain zone, and I get an army of -xiao-(s)

And to answer your ridiculous hypothetical anyway since you seem incapable of simple common sense: it obviously depends. If the server were 99% English-speaking, then yeah, I don't think I or anybody else would be that bothered by two random Italians chatting in Italian once they recognize each other. However, that tolerance comes at a price. If that ratio starts to tick in favor of non-English speakers and goes up to 2%, then 3%, then 4%, till we're looking at a 1/10 ratio of people who are playing and can't speak English, at that point draconic regulations must be put in place and enforced before the entire server goes to shit and gets surrendered to non-English speakers, as happened here. The point of extreme rules being enforced with precision is to stop further degeneration and restore things to something workable, not to spitefully ruin the experience of certain players out of xenophobia and racism.

Outside the autistic world of theoreticals, there's what is actually existing and affecting people. We aren't--or at least I'm not--here to test the logic of some hypothetical. If our biggest problem was some 8-person guild of people who spoke only in Catalan, or Yiddish, or in Latin, then yeah, this conversation wouldn't be happening and I wouldn't give the softest shit, which I'm sure goes for the vast majority of people in this thread who stand on my side on this issue. But that's not what we have. We have a very specific problem: thousands upon thousands of Chinese players who don't speak English and who are slowly taking over the server due to sheer numbers.

EDIT: And just to make it clear unless you can't understand this, I'm not American. English isn't my first language, or even my second. I'm not some Anglo supremacist trying to get everyone to speak English. But this is an English server. You can either speak English, or get fucked. Not my problem.

It seems pretty clear to me that your only problem here is the fact that people from China are playing this game. Your concern is that they're "taking over the server?" What does that even mean? How does having a strong playerbase from that country equal "the entire server goes to shit?"

I haven't read through the entire thread, since it's too much to read, but from what i've read thus far, you haven't understood what Azuladrip was trying to say.. well.. he did not just "trief", he "did" tell, what he meant.
It's not about chinese people per se, but about the unwillingnes (or inability) to communicate in english. You 'may' even complement it with some cultural incompatibilities regarding gaming culture. But it don't wanna go into that direction further.
As was already stated, there was a huge influx of chinese Player. If they were just a small percentage, that wouldn't be that much of a problem, but if there is like.. idk if there's any chart about how many players come from which country, so i'm making here an (propably exaggerated) assumption: but if there's like 50% chinese players, who are either unwilling or unable to speak english (on an english server!!) that can lead to frustration very quickly, since you can't do what an MMORPG is standing for. (or.. should stand for) Communication, meeting new people, play together. And you can't play together, if there's not a linguistic basis.
And if people get frustrated, they might leave the server. So that you might consider as "taking over" or "server goes to shit". Well.. not going to shit for the chinese, but for everyone else, who's getting frustrated with this problem.
I don't know if you've ever heared it, but in some countries they are taking in so many migrants/refugees, that some people feel "foreign in their own country", and this is scaring people. You may kinda copy that example for the server as well. People who were here before the influx are fearing, that people might quit because of this and that theywill quit as well in the end.

TLDR: in the end it's all about the non-existing linguistic basis between chinese and the rest of the world that is frustrating people. And they don't want to play a game to get frustrated.

What exactly is frustrating? That they can see a blank message? That only brackets appear? There are a half-dozen ways to connect with other english-speaking players in the world and, speaking as a fairly new player, they work to facilitate any needs that I have from getting folks to group up to just bullshitting.

That's what separates an online game from your example, as at any opportunity I can reach out to an entire area, zone, or server and connect with people in my language. The fact that the players in my virtual visual range may not speak my language isn't relevant.

If players are feeling isolated, they're in a cocoon of their own making.

[Azuladrip]

What exactly is frustrating? That they can see a blank message? That only brackets appear? There are a half-dozen ways to connect with other english-speaking players in the world and, speaking as a fairly new player, they work to facilitate any needs that I have from getting folks to group up to just bullshitting.

That's what separates an online game from your example, as at any opportunity I can reach out to an entire area, zone, or server and connect with people in my language. The fact that the players in my virtual visual range may not speak my language isn't relevant.

If players are feeling isolated, they're in a cocoon of their own making.

Yes, congratulations, you got the answer by yourself, what a good boy!

Yes, it is frustrating to see blank messages. When I walk into Goldshire, I want to see what people are saying and to participate in conversations, not to get an endless number of [ ] [ ] [ ]. Not to mention that a bunch of these guys have some cancerous addon that constantly spams their quest status. Point being, they add absolutely nothing to my experience - quite the contrary, they actively make it much, much worse in every way that matters to me.

Also, stop moving goalposts. Nobody said you can't connect to English-speaking people. But Turtle WoW was pitched as a lore-friendly, loreplaying realm, and one which is strictly English-speaking barring a handful exceptions stated in the rules. Which is to say, finding people who speak English doesn't just need to be possible, it needs to be the norm. If I whisper a random guy, he should be able to reply in English, instead of completely ignoring me and walking on.

Like you said, you're a new player, and you clearly don't even understand what's being discussed or what our problem is (nor do you want to, you're an uncharitable fuckwit), and have no idea what this server was like. I feel like half of what you're doing is strawmmaning in the most disingenuous way possible; the other half is you whining like some menopausal middle-school teacher about how DARE we voice complaints when you, the "fairly new player," don't see a problem. As if we somehow care what you see or if you being a new player is a superior metric by which you're qualified to judge for us - it would pretty much be the opposite.

Those of us who are complaining are doing so because we have the rules to back us up. If there were no rules in place, if this happened to be some "international" server then nobody would have a right to vent at all.

Pretty much everything said was worthless and contributed exactly nothing to the conversation.

[Shaman111]

It seems pretty clear to me that your only problem here is the fact that people from China are playing this game. Your concern is that they're "taking over the server?" What does that even mean? How does having a strong playerbase from that country equal "the entire server goes to shit?"

I haven't read through the entire thread, since it's too much to read, but from what i've read thus far, you haven't understood what Azuladrip was trying to say.. well.. he did not just "trief", he "did" tell, what he meant.
It's not about chinese people per se, but about the unwillingnes (or inability) to communicate in english. You 'may' even complement it with some cultural incompatibilities regarding gaming culture. But it don't wanna go into that direction further.
As was already stated, there was a huge influx of chinese Player. If they were just a small percentage, that wouldn't be that much of a problem, but if there is like.. idk if there's any chart about how many players come from which country, so i'm making here an (propably exaggerated) assumption: but if there's like 50% chinese players, who are either unwilling or unable to speak english (on an english server!!) that can lead to frustration very quickly, since you can't do what an MMORPG is standing for. (or.. should stand for) Communication, meeting new people, play together. And you can't play together, if there's not a linguistic basis.
And if people get frustrated, they might leave the server. So that you might consider as "taking over" or "server goes to shit". Well.. not going to shit for the chinese, but for everyone else, who's getting frustrated with this problem.
I don't know if you've ever heared it, but in some countries they are taking in so many migrants/refugees, that some people feel "foreign in their own country", and this is scaring people. You may kinda copy that example for the server as well. People who were here before the influx are fearing, that people might quit because of this and that theywill quit as well in the end.

TLDR: in the end it's all about the non-existing linguistic basis between chinese and the rest of the world that is frustrating people. And they don't want to play a game to get frustrated.

What exactly is frustrating? That they can see a blank message? That only brackets appear? There are a half-dozen ways to connect with other english-speaking players in the world and, speaking as a fairly new player, they work to facilitate any needs that I have from getting folks to group up to just bullshitting.

That's what separates an online game from your example, as at any opportunity I can reach out to an entire area, zone, or server and connect with people in my language. The fact that the players in my virtual visual range may not speak my language isn't relevant.

If players are feeling isolated, they're in a cocoon of their own making.

incredible what lenghts people will go strawman for cn, for some good boy points on the forum? try installing chinese fonts and translate what these people are saying. they shit talk english speaking players in every other message

[Tacticalnelf]

incredible what lenghts people will go strawman for cn, for some good boy points on the forum? try installing chinese fonts and translate what these people are saying. they shit talk english speaking players in every other message

have you noticed that several chinese players already have the blood ring armor set complete? I wonder if they're farming legitimately or practicing wintrading.

[Incompleteloser]

What exactly is frustrating? That they can see a blank message? That only brackets appear? There are a half-dozen ways to connect with other english-speaking players in the world and, speaking as a fairly new player, they work to facilitate any needs that I have from getting folks to group up to just bullshitting.

That's what separates an online game from your example, as at any opportunity I can reach out to an entire area, zone, or server and connect with people in my language. The fact that the players in my virtual visual range may not speak my language isn't relevant.

If players are feeling isolated, they're in a cocoon of their own making.

Yes, congratulations, you got the answer by yourself, what a good boy!

Yes, it is frustrating to see blank messages. When I walk into Goldshire, I want to see what people are saying and to participate in conversations, not to get an endless number of [ ] [ ] [ ]. Not to mention that a bunch of these guys have some cancerous addon that constantly spams their quest status. Point being, they add absolutely nothing to my experience - quite the contrary, they actively make it much, much worse in every way that matters to me.

Also, stop moving goalposts. Nobody said you can't connect to English-speaking people. But Turtle WoW was pitched as a lore-friendly, loreplaying realm, and one which is strictly English-speaking barring a handful exceptions stated in the rules. Which is to say, finding people who speak English doesn't just need to be possible, it needs to be the norm. If I whisper a random guy, he should be able to reply in English, instead of completely ignoring me and walking on.

Like you said, you're a new player, and you clearly don't even understand what's being discussed or what our problem is (nor do you want to, you're an uncharitable fuckwit), and have no idea what this server was like. I feel like half of what you're doing is strawmmaning in the most disingenuous way possible; the other half is you whining like some menopausal middle-school teacher about how DARE we voice complaints when you, the "fairly new player," don't see a problem. As if we somehow care what you see or if you being a new player is a superior metric by which you're qualified to judge for us - it would pretty much be the opposite.

Those of us who are complaining are doing so because we have the rules to back us up. If there were no rules in place, if this happened to be some "international" server then nobody would have a right to vent at all.

Pretty much everything said was worthless and contributed exactly nothing to the conversation.

If I weren't contributing to the conversation, you would ignore me and move on. Because you haven't, I'm going to assume you think my contributions worthwhile despite your assertion otherwise. First of all, your feelings are valid. I've experienced all the same things you have. It doesn't frustrate me to see those messages in the chat, however. They're literally nothing, and nothing is the easiest thing to ignore. Speaking of ignoring, if it does bother you so much, why not just /ignore the folks making the ruckus? I can tell you from personal experience that it works quickly and reliably.

In your second paragraph, you alluded to a reply I had for a different person who likened the situation on the server to people who feel isolated due to refugees or what-have-you. Then you mention how TWOW is marketed as a "lore-friendly, role-playing" game that has restrictions on when/where a person can use non-English language. As a fairly new player, I recently looked up those server rules. They only mention an English-only restriction on "/world, guild chat of <Still Alive>, guild chat of <Newcomers>, /trade, any crowded leveling or recreation zones... The only exception are guild recruitment announcements, those can be in your native language."

Nothing about in /say, nothing about in /yell. Your precious rules aren't being broken. Also, somebody ignoring your whispers isn't indicative of their not speaking English. That's something you've projected.

Your last three paragraphs are just frothing at the mouth to the smell of your own farts, but you do bring up another technicality i want to touch on. TWOW is an international game, and the realm is an international realm. The players hail from time zones all across the globe, not just in the ones where the English-speaking folks live.

[Hctwowfan]

As a fairly new player, I recently looked up those server rules. They only mention an English-only restriction on "/world, guild chat of <Still Alive>, guild chat of <Newcomers>, /trade, any crowded leveling or recreation zones... The only exception are guild recruitment announcements, those can be in your native language."

Nothing about in /say, nothing about in /yell. Your precious rules aren't being broken.

Using non English language in crowded areas in /s and /y is both against the text of the law and even if it wasn't, it most certainly is against the spirit of the law.

[Incompleteloser]

As a fairly new player, I recently looked up those server rules. They only mention an English-only restriction on "/world, guild chat of <Still Alive>, guild chat of <Newcomers>, /trade, any crowded leveling or recreation zones... The only exception are guild recruitment announcements, those can be in your native language."

Nothing about in /say, nothing about in /yell. Your precious rules aren't being broken.

Using non English language in crowded areas in /s and /y is both against the text of the law and even if it wasn't, it most certainly is against the spirit of the law.

It's... literally not in the "text of the law." The text states, as I paraphrased before:

The rule set for the following public channels: /world, guild chat of <Still Alive>, guild chat of <Newcomers>, /trade, any crowded leveling or recreation zones: Public chats are English speaking only. The only exception are guild recruitment announcements, those can be in your native language.

So no, nothing about using non-english in /s or /y. And as for the "spirit" of the law, I daresay that disallowing non-english speaking people from using /s or /y - or banning those who do - goes against the preamble to the above quote:

Here at Turtle WoW, we encourage players to come together, form communities, and openly chat with their fellow players.

[Azuladrip]

If I weren't contributing to the conversation, you would ignore me and move on. Because you haven't, I'm going to assume you think my contributions worthwhile despite your assertion otherwise. First of all, your feelings are valid. I've experienced all the same things you have. It doesn't frustrate me to see those messages in the chat, however. They're literally nothing, and nothing is the easiest thing to ignore. Speaking of ignoring, if it does bother you so much, why not just /ignore the folks making the ruckus? I can tell you from personal experience that it works quickly and reliably.

In your second paragraph, you alluded to a reply I had for a different person who likened the situation on the server to people who feel isolated due to refugees or what-have-you. Then you mention how TWOW is marketed as a "lore-friendly, role-playing" game that has restrictions on when/where a person can use non-English language. As a fairly new player, I recently looked up those server rules. They only mention an English-only restriction on "/world, guild chat of <Still Alive>, guild chat of <Newcomers>, /trade, any crowded leveling or recreation zones... The only exception are guild recruitment announcements, those can be in your native language."

Nothing about in /say, nothing about in /yell. Your precious rules aren't being broken. Also, somebody ignoring your whispers isn't indicative of their not speaking English. That's something you've projected.

Your last three paragraphs are just frothing at the mouth to the smell of your own farts, but you do bring up another technicality i want to touch on. TWOW is an international game, and the realm is an international realm. The players hail from time zones all across the globe, not just in the ones where the English-speaking folks live.

You aren't contributing, you're strawmanning disingenuously which is being pointed out. You haven't experienced the same things I have, or others have, that's just your slimy, disgusting tactic to imply that you have any right to speak for us in any way. We do not care about your experience. What does or doesn't frustrate you is completely irrelevant. Nobody is trying to convince you otherwise, and I wouldn't care if you stopped playing at all. The problem is when you come here like a clown and start telling people what they're allowed to be bothered by and what they aren't allowed to be bothered by, and then start making random accusations.All while reminding everyone how you're new, lol. What fucking level of obliviousness is this?

I won't even get into the rest of the garbage you spewed. Yes, let me ignore almost every single person I come across. Why don't I just remove the chat altogether, considering that the likelihood is I'll just get spammed with [ ]. And yeah, you're right, the people with obvious Chinese names from known Chinese guilds ignoring whispers when nobody else does is clearly just projection - which, again, of course you'd know, since you're an expert on all the experiences everyone else has reported in this thread and on the Discord.

Speaking of ignore...

[Azuladrip]

As a fairly new player, I recently looked up those server rules. They only mention an English-only restriction on "/world, guild chat of <Still Alive>, guild chat of <Newcomers>, /trade, any crowded leveling or recreation zones... The only exception are guild recruitment announcements, those can be in your native language."

Nothing about in /say, nothing about in /yell. Your precious rules aren't being broken.

Using non English language in crowded areas in /s and /y is both against the text of the law and even if it wasn't, it most certainly is against the spirit of the law.

He doesn't care. Don't you understand this trog is just here to strawman and to trigger people with his nonsensical arguments? Because, clearly, when the devs made the rule, they totally curtained off /say and /yell for Chinese and decided to make /general for English. This is CLEARLY what they had in mind, and it's not at all just because they figured having two random people speaking in a foreign language in some isolated place couldn't be a problem because nobody else could read it anyway.

It's not even worth bothering with someone who is willing to sink to such lows of disingenuousness to get some non-existent gotcha. And it wouldn't matter to him anyway, since he already stated people complaining about this are just being xenophobic and overreacting because it doesn't bother him. It doesn't bother him, therefore it shouldn't bother you, this is the thought process of this insipid narcissist.