High Elf Civil War?

[Sark21]

So went through the new High elf questing zone, fantastic job btw turtle I was really happy with the experience, and could not help but notice the story turning to who will lead the remnants of the High elf people. During all this Kael'thas is shown as still caring for his people wanting an update on how they are surviving. It feels ripe towards a civil war not just between high elf / blood elf but also a faction within the high elfs.

In my opinion blizzard did Kael'thas so wrong just totally turning his character 180 from what he was like in Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne Campaign loving and sacrificing so much for his people to what we got in BC of muwahaha im evil now.

I hope turtle team does a better job then blizz when it comes to the story of the High elves and Kael'thas. Really like the civil war scenario playing out with small skirmishes between High Elfs, High Elf splinter faction and Blood Elves like we see in the new starting zone. Hoping it turn into a huge open war as both armies approach to fight near the outskirts of Eversong forest or Ghostlands locations which could lead to the end of the High elves/Blood Elves race on Azeroth however its averted with a portal opening with Kael'thas returning from outland with a willing or unwilling Naru to re-energize the Sunwell uniting the shattered people.

This could lead to patch of rebuilding Silvermoon and BC era eversong with still masses of scourge in the area leading to both High elves and Blood elves working together to rebuild. Could also lead to introducing Zul'Aman raid or new raids / dungeon etc...

[Dracarusggotham]

So went through the new High elf questing zone, fantastic job btw turtle I was really happy with the experience, and could not help but notice the story turning to who will lead the remnants of the High elf people. During all this Kael'thas is shown as still caring for his people wanting an update on how they are surviving. It feels ripe towards a civil war not just between high elf / blood elf but also a faction within the high elfs.

In my opinion blizzard did Kael'thas so wrong just totally turning his character 180 from what he was like in Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne Campaign carrying and sacrificing so much for his people to what we got in BC of muwahaha im evil now.

I hope turtle team does a better job them blizz when it comes to the story of the High elves and Kael'thas really like the civil war scenario playing out with small skirmishes between High Elfs, High Elf Kael'thas loyalists and Blood Elves like we see in the new starting zone. Hoping it turn into a huge open war as both armies approach the to fight near the outskirts of Eversong forest or Ghost lands locations which could lead to the end of the High elves/Blood Elves race on Azeroth however its averted with a portal opening with Kael'thas returning from outland with a willing or unwilling Naru to re-energize the Sunwell uniting the shattered people.

This could lead to patch of rebuilding Silvermoon and BC era eversong with still masses of scourge in the area leading to both High elves and Blood elves working together to rebuild. Could also lead to introducing Zul'Aman raid or new raids / dungeon etc...

I wouldn't want to see either Naaru or Draenei uncorrupted, as I feel like that's going down the same path as retail regarding "A cosmic being came and revitalized the Sunwell."
No, I really wish it were something more drastic, like the Alliance looking for some way to revitalize it with the energies of the Well of Eternity beneath Nordrassil, or else, with the aspects returning and helping the High Elves, since they have always been friends of both the Night Elves and the Quel'dorei.
Save Outland for something more interesting, like a war against the Illidari and perhaps there, the first brush with the Burning Legion, without going into so much detail to save it for something bigger later.

[Harkus]

Agreed, Blizzard ruined many characters in TBC (and onwards), will be very interesting to see further developments with Turtle :D

[Dracarusggotham]

One doubt, as I can understand, Rommath is a traitor or we missunderstanded his actions?

[Dracarusggotham]

Agreed, Blizzard ruined many characters in TBC (and onwards), will be very interesting to see further developments with Turtle :D

Kael'thas was the most affected character, Blizzard wasted the Illidari, the Dark Portal, the Alliance Expedition, Illidan and Kael'thas in one expansion.

I mean, in Warcraft III he made all for save his people, traveled to outland with Illidan cause he offered him a way to save the Elves, and, for no reason, he allied with the Burning Legion...

[Bittermens]

Just Keep Draenei as Eredar, draenei was a retarded retcon and all of them are eredar.

[Aeliren]

One doubt, as I can understand, Rommath is a traitor or we missunderstanded his actions?

Prince Kael’thas is seen as a traitor for having abandoned his people when leaving for Outland and seemingly never coming back. As such, the blood elves are also seen as traitorous for following him.

Rommath is a secret Kael’thas loyalist, but meeting with Kael’thas shows that he still cares for his people and wants to return only when he’s managed to solve their magical addition crisis. He’s content with letting his people distrust him and think him a traitor because they’re not holding out for him; if he fails in Outland, at least his people won’t be holding out for a hope that will never come, and are still trying to make their own way in the world.

Meanwhile, Astalor Sunsworn of the Regency Council wants to ascend to the throne himself, which is why he was amongst the nobles that pushed heavily for Vereesa to be removed from her position as Speaker, and why he’s trying to remove other potential competitors such as Viceroy Eldin Sunstrider of the blood elves of Felstrider Retreat, who is a distant cousin of Kael’thas and thus could have a legitimate claim to the throne.

[Sark21]

To be fair this might be too much for the turtle dev's to do but im just throwing it out there. This is in regards to a future patch with turtle dev's actually putting in Quel'Thalas in the game.

Along with the Civil war idea, I have been thinking of a quest chain that can be done lets say around level 25 you receive a letter asking you to return to Alah'thalas and speaking to Vereesa continuing the quest line about the "blood elf traitor" inside the council. Vereesa asks you, the trusted confidant, to gain more information out of Rommath of Kael'thas' plans as the pressure is now on Vereesa from rival members of the Regency Counsel to address the Blood elf situation.

You approach Rommath who comments on the situation Vereesa is under calling the members of Regency Council traitors who squabble for a throne that rightfully belongs to the Sunstrider lineage. (Can throw in some lore about how it was Dath'Remar Sunstrider who ensured the survival of the now high elves during the sundering by stealing one of the vials filled with waters of the first well of eternity creating the Sunwell).

Rommath tells you that a contingent of Blood elf forces by order of prince Kael'thas has been sent back from Outland to access the current situation in Quel'Thalas. Rommath is giddy because not only did they directly portal to Quel'thalas, implying Kael'thas is in possession of a great magical source, instead of using the Dark Portal but this may mean that the prince and his forces are returning with a solution to the mana withdrawal problem facing the High Elves.

(Que adding Quel'thals into the map Eversong Forrest lvl25-30 and Ghostlands lvl30-35)
Now hear me out I know the level brackets may not be liked but these zones are infested with a sizeable amount of Scourge forces who ended the High Elves kingdom and all undead in wow (not counting undead playable race starting zones and a couple of mobs in westfall) are at least around level 30.

Obviously at level 25 walking through Eastern plaguelands and Ghostlands is not going to be possible a solution would be to add an orb Rommath can place down when asked that will teleport you directly to Sunstrider isle and vise versa from the other end. Rommath instructs you to speak to the commander of the Blood elf forces and aide them in their mission.


As you go exit the building you notice despite the fall of the kingdom Eversong forest is still in magically in Eternal Autumn and as beautiful as ever. Can put down a couple quests from the commander, a enginer and magistrate.

Reporting to the commander they also mention the fact that not even the Scourge can ruin the beauty of Quel'Thalas but points out their arrival has not gone unnoticed pointing toward the Falthrien Academy where a steady stream of Ghouls and skeletal mages/warriors are coming and attacking the Blood elf forces. The commander asks that you thin out the herd of these by killing "insert number" each.

Reporting to the engineer as they works on those huge green glowing crystals he informs you that in the heart of those crystals lies the magical spirit of a bound demon from the twisting neither and is a source of steady power as the demon's spirit can not be destroyed while encased in the crystals. However, this return of power to the Quel'dori architecture as brought a swarm of mana Wyrms toward the crystal and the engineers are having a difficult time in maintaining the crystal with the constant mana wyrm attacks. They ask for you to thin the herd by "insert number".

Reporting to the Magistrate they quickly beckon you forward remarking on how someone such as meager as you got the opportunity to be apart of this expedition. Brushing past that with a backhanded comment they point to the Falthrien Academy looking disgusted saying the Cult of the Damned are responsible for the reanimation of these corpses at a rapid rate by using Elvish magical rune objects. The magistrate orders you to head into the spire and kill them to recover "insert number" runes from them.

Gonna leave it here for now. What do you all think?

[Harkus]

Agreed, Blizzard ruined many characters in TBC (and onwards), will be very interesting to see further developments with Turtle :D

Kael'thas was the most affected character, Blizzard wasted the Illidari, the Dark Portal, the Alliance Expedition, Illidan and Kael'thas in one expansion.

I mean, in Warcraft III he made all for save his people, traveled to outland with Illidan cause he offered him a way to save the Elves, and, for no reason, he allied with the Burning Legion...

Yea it is crazy... Kael was so great in Wc3 and he was completely ruined in Tbc... he did everything for his people! I think Blizz did not think Wow would last very long so they threw away half of the Wc3 cast in the first expansion... very sad

[Galendor]

Gonna leave it here for now. What do you all think?

Frankly, i like an idea of full Ghostlands-like Quel'Thalas as it was described in RPG books more than intact Eversong from TBC. So, instead of Eversong+Ghostlands it should be Ghostlands + Maisara Hills (with Temple City of Ula'thek or Zul'Aman City in this location) and Sunwell Grove with desecrated elven fount.

[Dracarusggotham]

To be fair this might be too much for the turtle dev's to do but im just throwing it out there. This is in regards to a future patch with turtle dev's actually putting in Quel'Thalas in the game.

Along with the Civil war idea, I have been thinking of a quest chain that can be done lets say around level 25 you receive a letter asking you to return to Alah'thalas and speaking to Vereesa continuing the quest line about the "blood elf traitor" inside the council. Vereesa asks you, the trusted confidant, to gain more information out of Rommath of Kael'thas' plans as the pressure is now on Vereesa from rival members of the Regency Counsel to address the Blood elf situation.

You approach Rommath who comments on the situation Vereesa is under calling the members of Regency Council traitors who squabble for a throne that rightfully belongs to the Sunstrider lineage. (Can throw in some lore about how it was Dath'Remar Sunstrider who ensured the survival of the now high elves during the sundering by stealing one of the vials filled with waters of the first well of eternity creating the Sunwell).

Rommath tells you that a contingent of Blood elf forces by order of prince Kael'thas has been sent back from Outland to access the current situation in Quel'Thalas. Rommath is giddy because not only did they directly portal to Quel'thalas, implying Kael'thas is in possession of a great magical source, instead of using the Dark Portal but this may mean that the prince and his forces are returning with a solution to the mana withdrawal problem facing the High Elves.

(Que adding Quel'thals into the map Eversong Forrest lvl25-30 and Ghostlands lvl30-35)
Now hear me out I know the level brackets may not be liked but these zones are infested with a sizeable amount of Scourge forces who ended the High Elves kingdom and all undead in wow (not counting undead playable race starting zones and a couple of mobs in westfall) are at least around level 30.

Obviously at level 25 walking through Eastern plaguelands and Ghostlands is not going to be possible a solution would be to add an orb Rommath can place down when asked that will teleport you directly to Sunstrider isle and vise versa from the other end. Rommath instructs you to speak to the commander of the Blood elf forces and aide them in their mission.


As you go exit the building you notice despite the fall of the kingdom Eversong forest is still in magically in Eternal Autumn and as beautiful as ever. Can put down a couple quests from the commander, a enginer and magistrate.

Reporting to the commander they also mention the fact that not even the Scourge can ruin the beauty of Quel'Thalas but points out their arrival has not gone unnoticed pointing toward the Falthrien Academy where a steady stream of Ghouls and skeletal mages/warriors are coming and attacking the Blood elf forces. The commander asks that you thin out the herd of these by killing "insert number" each.

Reporting to the engineer as they works on those huge green glowing crystals he informs you that in the heart of those crystals lies the magical spirit of a bound demon from the twisting neither and is a source of steady power as the demon's spirit can not be destroyed while encased in the crystals. However, this return of power to the Quel'dori architecture as brought a swarm of mana Wyrms toward the crystal and the engineers are having a difficult time in maintaining the crystal with the constant mana wyrm attacks. They ask for you to thin the herd by "insert number".

Reporting to the Magistrate they quickly beckon you forward remarking on how someone such as meager as you got the opportunity to be apart of this expedition. Brushing past that with a backhanded comment they point to the Falthrien Academy looking disgusted saying the Cult of the Damned are responsible for the reanimation of these corpses at a rapid rate by using Elvish magical rune objects. The magistrate orders you to head into the spire and kill them to recover "insert number" runes from them.

Gonna leave it here for now. What do you all think?

With the restoration to the form that Quel'thalas had in Vanilla, I get the idea and impression that they are going to give Quel'thalas a different form than the one it has in retail, because to begin with, it is a smaller and more efficient form for a project like Turtle.
By the way, this is how you can divide it into sections:
-The Amani - Horde
-High Elves/Blood Elves - Alliance
-Zul'aman as the capital of the Horde in counterpart to Alah'thalas
-Silvermoon and the Sunwell as Raid and Dungeon.