Re: Turtle WoW is expanding to the East!
Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2023 5:17 am
inb4 das racis
Mysteries of Azeroth — is a story expansion made by the Turtle WoW Team, inspired by the Warcraft universe of Blizzard Entertainment.
https://forum.turtle-wow.org/
Go touch some grass, mate. It sounds like you need it. Tranquilo.Azuladrip wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 5:06 amIs your brain broken? How can you be so insufferable? How can you enter a thread about the team opening a CHINESE servers to solve the problem of CHINESE PLAYERS to go on a tangent about how much of lunatic I am for wanting to stop two Italians speaking in Italian when they cross each other every blue moon? Is our server being invaded by Italians, or Chinese? And is it just two Chinese speaking, or does it happen to be that our server is overrun with them, to the extent that I wonder now if even 50% of the people online at any time can speak English? I AFK in front of Goldshire at the tent, I see Chinese. I do a /who of a certain zone, and I get an army of -xiao-(s)Albel wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:03 am
Moreover, maybe just... let people do what they want. Unless actual problems are being caused (people being reported, certain scripts not being able to be displayed), what the hell do the mods care if two Italians talk for a bit in Italian? What damage is being caused?
And to answer your ridiculous hypothetical anyway since you seem incapable of simple common sense: it obviously depends. If the server were 99% English-speaking, then yeah, I don't think I or anybody else would be that bothered by two random Italians chatting in Italian once they recognize each other. However, that tolerance comes at a price. If that ratio starts to tick in favor of non-English speakers and goes up to 2%, then 3%, then 4%, till we're looking at a 1/10 ratio of people who are playing and can't speak English, at that point draconic regulations must be put in place and enforced before the entire server goes to shit and gets surrendered to non-English speakers, as happened here. The point of extreme rules being enforced with precision is to stop further degeneration and restore things to something workable, not to spitefully ruin the experience of certain players out of xenophobia and racism.
Outside the autistic world of theoreticals, there's what is actually existing and affecting people. We aren't--or at least I'm not--here to test the logic of some hypothetical. If our biggest problem was some 8-person guild of people who spoke only in Catalan, or Yiddish, or in Latin, then yeah, this conversation wouldn't be happening and I wouldn't give the softest shit, which I'm sure goes for the vast majority of people in this thread who stand on my side on this issue. But that's not what we have. We have a very specific problem: thousands upon thousands of Chinese players who don't speak English and who are slowly taking over the server due to sheer numbers.
EDIT: And just to make it clear unless you can't understand this, I'm not American. English isn't my first language, or even my second. I'm not some Anglo supremacist trying to get everyone to speak English. But this is an English server. You can either speak English, or get fucked. Not my problem.
Friend, I am a Chinese. I hope you don't hate it when I use the word"Friend" to start a conversation with you. You need to calm down. I admit, for some reason, the number of US Chinese players on this server has skyrocketed! But it's a really good game! Is a Warcraft fan, will think so. In the age of information explosion, the Earth is already a village. Don't live with isolationism thoughts. Just as the game is a global village, we may never socialize in the game. Like two parallel lines, I don't influence you, but you can't judge me for what I do on my line that you don't like? We have no intention of dominating the game. I think we still have a lot of good English players in China. Isn't it cool to meet more people from other countries? We have a saying in China that a prime minister can hold a boat in his stomach.Azuladrip wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 5:06 amIs your brain broken? How can you be so insufferable? How can you enter a thread about the team opening a CHINESE servers to solve the problem of CHINESE PLAYERS to go on a tangent about how much of lunatic I am for wanting to stop two Italians speaking in Italian when they cross each other every blue moon? Is our server being invaded by Italians, or Chinese? And is it just two Chinese speaking, or does it happen to be that our server is overrun with them, to the extent that I wonder now if even 50% of the people online at any time can speak English? I AFK in front of Goldshire at the tent, I see Chinese. I do a /who of a certain zone, and I get an army of -xiao-(s)Albel wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:03 am
Moreover, maybe just... let people do what they want. Unless actual problems are being caused (people being reported, certain scripts not being able to be displayed), what the hell do the mods care if two Italians talk for a bit in Italian? What damage is being caused?
And to answer your ridiculous hypothetical anyway since you seem incapable of simple common sense: it obviously depends. If the server were 99% English-speaking, then yeah, I don't think I or anybody else would be that bothered by two random Italians chatting in Italian once they recognize each other. However, that tolerance comes at a price. If that ratio starts to tick in favor of non-English speakers and goes up to 2%, then 3%, then 4%, till we're looking at a 1/10 ratio of people who are playing and can't speak English, at that point draconic regulations must be put in place and enforced before the entire server goes to shit and gets surrendered to non-English speakers, as happened here. The point of extreme rules being enforced with precision is to stop further degeneration and restore things to something workable, not to spitefully ruin the experience of certain players out of xenophobia and racism.
Outside the autistic world of theoreticals, there's what is actually existing and affecting people. We aren't--or at least I'm not--here to test the logic of some hypothetical. If our biggest problem was some 8-person guild of people who spoke only in Catalan, or Yiddish, or in Latin, then yeah, this conversation wouldn't be happening and I wouldn't give the softest shit, which I'm sure goes for the vast majority of people in this thread who stand on my side on this issue. But that's not what we have. We have a very specific problem: thousands upon thousands of Chinese players who don't speak English and who are slowly taking over the server due to sheer numbers.
EDIT: And just to make it clear unless you can't understand this, I'm not American. English isn't my first language, or even my second. I'm not some Anglo supremacist trying to get everyone to speak English. But this is an English server. You can either speak English, or get fucked. Not my problem.
das racis
in that case might not even bother with the server. nobody wants to play with cn, not even themselves - as seen in this thread even. lets hope its forced with an ip/vpn ban on eu realm
An empty-headed reply from an empty-headed zero of a person with nothing to say and no thoughts in that vapid brain. You're literally arguing on some niche private server of a dead game, but you give an NPC reply of "touch grass" because you got demolished and realized you are wrong, inferior, and have nothing worthwhile to say or contribute. I'll take your copypasted reply as the concession it is.
I am very calm, so projecting what you think my emotions are at the start of a conversation is not exactly a successful strategy, "friend." I don't have isolationist thoughts. Almost al my friends are online and from other countries.But it's true, there is a particular trait all my friends have: THEY SPEAK AT LEAST ONE LANGUAGE I ALSO SPEAK. Also, you are dominating the game. It's not about intentions, it's about existing. If I idle in a place and every line said in /say is an unknown language, that is a bad experience. If I whisper someone to ask something and I get no reply because they don't speak English, that's a problem. As for Chinese players who speak English, nobody has a problem with them. I certainly don't. I wouldn't care if 99,99% of players were Chinese on Turtle IF they spoke fluent English. Unfortunately, that's not the case.Cnlaowang wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 2:35 amFriend, I am a Chinese. I hope you don't hate it when I use the word"Friend" to start a conversation with you. You need to calm down. I admit, for some reason, the number of US Chinese players on this server has skyrocketed! But it's a really good game! Is a Warcraft fan, will think so. In the age of information explosion, the Earth is already a village. Don't live with isolationism thoughts. Just as the game is a global village, we may never socialize in the game. Like two parallel lines, I don't influence you, but you can't judge me for what I do on my line that you don't like? We have no intention of dominating the game. I think we still have a lot of good English players in China. Isn't it cool to meet more people from other countries? We have a saying in China that a prime minister can hold a boat in his stomach.
Pretty much, yeah. At this point only drastic measures will solve the situation. And I imagine there are reasons Turtle WoW doesn't want to take those measures. On the other hand, it's hard to empathize, since they got themselves in this situation and watched the server degrade month after month while remaining stubborn and doing nothing. At this point it may very well be too late to fix it. And either way, thousands of people are going to suffer, whether that's English-speakers who don't want to play with non-English speakers, or the Chinese who get moved by force.
In a village people are in self-protection consciousness, the villagers will enter their favorite environment. I understand that, and I hope you do too. And the people of this village have no intention of attacking other villages! It's just the villagers protecting themselves! There are people in this village who want to know about other villages, like me. We Don't want to change the game, and we don't want to take players from other countries out of the game, so we don't want to dominate the game. We Chinese are very warm, welcome you to visit China, feel the enthusiasm of the Chinese people and the love of peace. I and you so many conversations are using the translator! You can research, you come to China to play do not need to know Chinese, as long as you can use a translator on it, a smartphone on it. Again, if you don't like it, you can treat us as a parallel line and you can. Most of us see players from other countries as parallel to each other. Our hearts want to know you, and we want you to know us. We mean you no harm!Azuladrip wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:10 pmI am very calm, so projecting what you think my emotions are at the start of a conversation is not exactly a successful strategy, "friend." I don't have isolationist thoughts. Almost al my friends are online and from other countries.But it's true, there is a particular trait all my friends have: THEY SPEAK AT LEAST ONE LANGUAGE I ALSO SPEAK. Also, you are dominating the game. It's not about intentions, it's about existing. If I idle in a place and every line said in /say is an unknown language, that is a bad experience. If I whisper someone to ask something and I get no reply because they don't speak English, that's a problem. As for Chinese players who speak English, nobody has a problem with them. I certainly don't. I wouldn't care if 99,99% of players were Chinese on Turtle IF they spoke fluent English. Unfortunately, that's not the case.Cnlaowang wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 2:35 amFriend, I am a Chinese. I hope you don't hate it when I use the word"Friend" to start a conversation with you. You need to calm down. I admit, for some reason, the number of US Chinese players on this server has skyrocketed! But it's a really good game! Is a Warcraft fan, will think so. In the age of information explosion, the Earth is already a village. Don't live with isolationism thoughts. Just as the game is a global village, we may never socialize in the game. Like two parallel lines, I don't influence you, but you can't judge me for what I do on my line that you don't like? We have no intention of dominating the game. I think we still have a lot of good English players in China. Isn't it cool to meet more people from other countries? We have a saying in China that a prime minister can hold a boat in his stomach.
When I sit down to play Turtle WoW, I do it to relax and to have a pleasant experience. Being surrounded by people who do not speak a language I speak is not a pleasant experience, nor do I think I did anything wrong in ending up with such an unpleasant experience because I very specifically chose to play on an ENGLISH server.
I understand that other people do not give a shit. There are people who don't talk in /say, who have /general and every other chat disabled, and basically play with a specific guild made of their friends group and don't interact with anyone else. But that is not me. I play specifically for the open world and for meeting people. And yes, a game that's full of people I can't interact at all or only at a minimal level is antithetical to anything I'd want out of an MMO.
Clearly, you do not care about having the same experience, because if you did, you'd be playing with Chinese players on a Chinese server where you understand everyone else. Even when I've wanted to play Korean MMOs, I've never made a Korean account to get in, specifically because I have 0 interest to be part of a community which I can't understand. If that's the only thing offered to me, I would rather not play at all.
Except the rules states that you should use English in public chats, thus by not using English outside of your Chinese only guild or in Chinese only private messages, you are breaking the rules and have nothing to do on this server.Cnlaowang wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:35 pmIn a village people are in self-protection consciousness, the villagers will enter their favorite environment. I understand that, and I hope you do too. And the people of this village have no intention of attacking other villages! It's just the villagers protecting themselves! There are people in this village who want to know about other villages, like me. We Don't want to change the game, and we don't want to take players from other countries out of the game, so we don't want to dominate the game. We Chinese are very warm, welcome you to visit China, feel the enthusiasm of the Chinese people and the love of peace. I and you so many conversations are using the translator! You can research, you come to China to play do not need to know Chinese, as long as you can use a translator on it, a smartphone on it. Again, if you don't like it, you can treat us as a parallel line and you can. Most of us see players from other countries as parallel to each other. Our hearts want to know you, and we want you to know us. We mean you no harm!Azuladrip wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:10 pmI am very calm, so projecting what you think my emotions are at the start of a conversation is not exactly a successful strategy, "friend." I don't have isolationist thoughts. Almost al my friends are online and from other countries.But it's true, there is a particular trait all my friends have: THEY SPEAK AT LEAST ONE LANGUAGE I ALSO SPEAK. Also, you are dominating the game. It's not about intentions, it's about existing. If I idle in a place and every line said in /say is an unknown language, that is a bad experience. If I whisper someone to ask something and I get no reply because they don't speak English, that's a problem. As for Chinese players who speak English, nobody has a problem with them. I certainly don't. I wouldn't care if 99,99% of players were Chinese on Turtle IF they spoke fluent English. Unfortunately, that's not the case.Cnlaowang wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 2:35 amFriend, I am a Chinese. I hope you don't hate it when I use the word"Friend" to start a conversation with you. You need to calm down. I admit, for some reason, the number of US Chinese players on this server has skyrocketed! But it's a really good game! Is a Warcraft fan, will think so. In the age of information explosion, the Earth is already a village. Don't live with isolationism thoughts. Just as the game is a global village, we may never socialize in the game. Like two parallel lines, I don't influence you, but you can't judge me for what I do on my line that you don't like? We have no intention of dominating the game. I think we still have a lot of good English players in China. Isn't it cool to meet more people from other countries? We have a saying in China that a prime minister can hold a boat in his stomach.
When I sit down to play Turtle WoW, I do it to relax and to have a pleasant experience. Being surrounded by people who do not speak a language I speak is not a pleasant experience, nor do I think I did anything wrong in ending up with such an unpleasant experience because I very specifically chose to play on an ENGLISH server.
I understand that other people do not give a shit. There are people who don't talk in /say, who have /general and every other chat disabled, and basically play with a specific guild made of their friends group and don't interact with anyone else. But that is not me. I play specifically for the open world and for meeting people. And yes, a game that's full of people I can't interact at all or only at a minimal level is antithetical to anything I'd want out of an MMO.
Clearly, you do not care about having the same experience, because if you did, you'd be playing with Chinese players on a Chinese server where you understand everyone else. Even when I've wanted to play Korean MMOs, I've never made a Korean account to get in, specifically because I have 0 interest to be part of a community which I can't understand. If that's the only thing offered to me, I would rather not play at all.
Excuse me! I didn't know there were such rules! I read your link and found that the public chat channel is only used in English, I also understand why use English, because so many people are playing in English, the most convenient communication. I think GM's intention is to let everyone better communication! For public chat channels, my personal understanding is the world channel, not the current chat channel. Perhaps the understanding has the deviation, once again hoped your understanding!Kirric wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 2:11 pmExcept the rules states that you should use English in public chats, thus by not using English outside of your Chinese only guild or in Chinese only private messages, you are breaking the rules and have nothing to do on this server.Cnlaowang wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:35 pmIn a village people are in self-protection consciousness, the villagers will enter their favorite environment. I understand that, and I hope you do too. And the people of this village have no intention of attacking other villages! It's just the villagers protecting themselves! There are people in this village who want to know about other villages, like me. We Don't want to change the game, and we don't want to take players from other countries out of the game, so we don't want to dominate the game. We Chinese are very warm, welcome you to visit China, feel the enthusiasm of the Chinese people and the love of peace. I and you so many conversations are using the translator! You can research, you come to China to play do not need to know Chinese, as long as you can use a translator on it, a smartphone on it. Again, if you don't like it, you can treat us as a parallel line and you can. Most of us see players from other countries as parallel to each other. Our hearts want to know you, and we want you to know us. We mean you no harm!Azuladrip wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:10 pm
I am very calm, so projecting what you think my emotions are at the start of a conversation is not exactly a successful strategy, "friend." I don't have isolationist thoughts. Almost al my friends are online and from other countries.But it's true, there is a particular trait all my friends have: THEY SPEAK AT LEAST ONE LANGUAGE I ALSO SPEAK. Also, you are dominating the game. It's not about intentions, it's about existing. If I idle in a place and every line said in /say is an unknown language, that is a bad experience. If I whisper someone to ask something and I get no reply because they don't speak English, that's a problem. As for Chinese players who speak English, nobody has a problem with them. I certainly don't. I wouldn't care if 99,99% of players were Chinese on Turtle IF they spoke fluent English. Unfortunately, that's not the case.
When I sit down to play Turtle WoW, I do it to relax and to have a pleasant experience. Being surrounded by people who do not speak a language I speak is not a pleasant experience, nor do I think I did anything wrong in ending up with such an unpleasant experience because I very specifically chose to play on an ENGLISH server.
I understand that other people do not give a shit. There are people who don't talk in /say, who have /general and every other chat disabled, and basically play with a specific guild made of their friends group and don't interact with anyone else. But that is not me. I play specifically for the open world and for meeting people. And yes, a game that's full of people I can't interact at all or only at a minimal level is antithetical to anything I'd want out of an MMO.
Clearly, you do not care about having the same experience, because if you did, you'd be playing with Chinese players on a Chinese server where you understand everyone else. Even when I've wanted to play Korean MMOs, I've never made a Korean account to get in, specifically because I have 0 interest to be part of a community which I can't understand. If that's the only thing offered to me, I would rather not play at all.
Read more at:
https://turtle-wow.org/#/rules#chat-abuse
No offense but reading machine transletd stuff hurts. I have read way too much trash Asian webcomic and when it's Maschine translated it's Absouket not worth the time. The Software can not replace language skill
Unlike some people who want to ban all the Chinese players, I don't have a problem with Chinese people at all. I love Chinese history and have Chinese friends I've made from DOTA. However, you are mistaking a server for an MMO for a language learning app. If I log into Turtle WoW, it's not to learn other languages or to get frustrated, as I said before. It's just not the experience I'm looking forward to. I don't want to translate anything, I don't want to double question whether or not a person speaks English, and I don't want to be essentially denied access to conversations going on around me because I don't speak the language.Cnlaowang wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:35 pmIn a village people are in self-protection consciousness, the villagers will enter their favorite environment. I understand that, and I hope you do too. And the people of this village have no intention of attacking other villages! It's just the villagers protecting themselves! There are people in this village who want to know about other villages, like me. We Don't want to change the game, and we don't want to take players from other countries out of the game, so we don't want to dominate the game. We Chinese are very warm, welcome you to visit China, feel the enthusiasm of the Chinese people and the love of peace. I and you so many conversations are using the translator! You can research, you come to China to play do not need to know Chinese, as long as you can use a translator on it, a smartphone on it. Again, if you don't like it, you can treat us as a parallel line and you can. Most of us see players from other countries as parallel to each other. Our hearts want to know you, and we want you to know us. We mean you no harm!
That's actually an amazing idea if it were possible. That way the problem would just take care of itself.
But again, the vast majority of what I've seen has been "[]" or completely blank (unsupported language characters, apparently).The rule set for the following public channels: /world, guild chat of <Still Alive>, guild chat of <Newcomers>, /trade, any crowded leveling or recreation zones:
Public chats are English speaking only. The only exception are guild recruitment announcements, those can be in your native language.
it is so coool, i always play dota from wcr3 to dota2,always.Azuladrip wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:07 amUnlike some people who want to ban all the Chinese players, I don't have a problem with Chinese people at all. I love Chinese history and have Chinese friends I've made from DOTA. However, you are mistaking a server for an MMO for a language learning app. If I log into Turtle WoW, it's not to learn other languages or to get frustrated, as I said before. It's just not the experience I'm looking forward to. I don't want to translate anything, I don't want to double question whether or not a person speaks English, and I don't want to be essentially denied access to conversations going on around me because I don't speak the language.Cnlaowang wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:35 pmIn a village people are in self-protection consciousness, the villagers will enter their favorite environment. I understand that, and I hope you do too. And the people of this village have no intention of attacking other villages! It's just the villagers protecting themselves! There are people in this village who want to know about other villages, like me. We Don't want to change the game, and we don't want to take players from other countries out of the game, so we don't want to dominate the game. We Chinese are very warm, welcome you to visit China, feel the enthusiasm of the Chinese people and the love of peace. I and you so many conversations are using the translator! You can research, you come to China to play do not need to know Chinese, as long as you can use a translator on it, a smartphone on it. Again, if you don't like it, you can treat us as a parallel line and you can. Most of us see players from other countries as parallel to each other. Our hearts want to know you, and we want you to know us. We mean you no harm!
As somebody else wrote above, this is English-speaking server. This isn't some random point being brought up by me and others because we feel entitled and want everyone to speak English. It is, in fact, a rule. A rule that is now for all intents and purposes voided because there are players who couldn't speak English even if they wanted to.
And what makes it worse is that Turtle WoW was always designed to be a lore-friendly, cozy, immersive kind of server that could even facilitate stuff like roleplaying. It was not meant to be like one of those anything goes servers with a focus on PvP. So beyond the fact that having people running around that can't speak English is annoying to me personally and to others who feels the same way, it's not just going against the rules but against the very spirit of what Turtle WoW is supposed to be about. Or WAS supposed to be about, I should say.
Again, I don't really have a problem with Chinese players in particular. If instead of Chinese we'd have a problem with Brazilians infesting the server and only speaking Portuguese, my stance would be exactly the same.
I don't even blame Chinese players. I blame the Turtle WoW team for not banning people when it was apparent non-English speakers were becoming a genuine problem.
Yeah, I stopped logging a month or so ago. I'll wait and see what happens as currently playing isn't fun at all (when you finally can login).Shaman111 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 2:14 pmholy fuck i started playing the game again after few months and its bizarre. they are everywhere, looking like christmas trees with gaudy cash shop shit in every slot. every spawn is contested. every escort mob has a party of 4+ chinese camping on it. i dont even see other english speaking people in the wild. the only english i am seeing is on /g like i am in some fucking ghetto. dont even start me on the lag and delay to do anything like i am playing on a dial up
Solution is simple, like many Pserver did in the past with this population:Ingameacc12345 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 2:24 pmYeah, I stopped logging a month or so ago. I'll wait and see what happens as currently playing isn't fun at all (when you finally can login).Shaman111 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 2:14 pmholy fuck i started playing the game again after few months and its bizarre. they are everywhere, looking like christmas trees with gaudy cash shop shit in every slot. every spawn is contested. every escort mob has a party of 4+ chinese camping on it. i dont even see other english speaking people in the wild. the only english i am seeing is on /g like i am in some fucking ghetto. dont even start me on the lag and delay to do anything like i am playing on a dial up
Unfortunately I don't see a 100% working solution to the problem at hand.
yeah, this server will die for english speaking population if they dont force transfer chinese, might as well just tell us now if they gonna transfer them so we dont waste time hereKarrados wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 9:01 pmPeople will not want to transfer from an already established Server. There will be a few people here and there that might transfer to the Chinese Server but I am willing to bet that the vast majority will not want to give up on the market and all the additional people.
So really they are mostly wasting their time developing this Chinese server unless they will force a transfer which they won't do.