Why alliance lock is the least played class? TelAbim

[Ataika]

Topic

I've seen alliance locks (humans not even gnomes) destroying horde on other servers, so why this class is least played on this server alli side when class itself is op ?

[Xudo]

Because of racial Will of the Forsaken on large portion of PvP players in horde.

[Ataika]

Because of racial Will of the Forsaken on large portion of PvP players in horde.

Is fear so cruical for locks to be least played only because of wotf ?

[Borefficz]

Why PvE as a lock when you can PvE as a mage

[Blackduck]

I play alliance priest and there's nothing worse than doing a big psychic scream and then seeing like all five guys you feared instantly get out of it either from will of the forsaken or berserking or whatever.

There's way too many ways to get out of fear, even druids can just magically get out of it now.

[Ataika]

I play alliance priest and there's nothing worse than doing a big psychic scream and then seeing like all five guys you feared instantly get out of it either from will of the forsaken or berserking or whatever.

There's way too many ways to get out of fear, even druids can just magically get out of it now.

well yeah priest fear is 30 sec cooldown
but lock can refear after immunity ?

[Veeco]

This is one of the nuances of classic wow era. Racial traits are just so incredibly powerful. If you choose the wrong race/class combination you are just doing it wrong, you are deliberately being a worse version of yourself, especially in the era of the min/maxer.

Any hardcore PVPer will go undead if they can for will of the forsaken.
PVE warriors go human or orc
PVE priest go dwarf
PVE warlocks and mages go gnome or troll(mage)
etc etc etc

This is how it will always be which is why eventually blizzard made racial traits negligible.

[Drubarrymooer]

I play alliance priest and there's nothing worse than doing a big psychic scream and then seeing like all five guys you feared instantly get out of it either from will of the forsaken or berserking or whatever.

There's way too many ways to get out of fear, even druids can just magically get out of it now.

Its the deep feral talent beserk. its a 6min cd and doesn't provide any immunity like wotf. Just a break.

[Marty1980]

I am human lock and i will see you all in pvp :P.

Even if horde have the best racial for warlock , alliance lock is better.
Only priest can dispel dot on horde side....

When i was UD Lock , none of my spell were staying for long , paly keep dispelling them

[Brandwacht]

I usually play warlock. This time I refused it, because in wow classic the pvp trinket does not remove the stun. Critical hits are stronger than DoTs, so sl warlock is not very good at pvp on bgs. Survival is not enough while DoTs are doing their job. If the developers had made a pvp trinket as a BC and added a 1% reduction in critical hit to each item for pvp, then this was what was needed. It remains only to play destruction, but why, when there is a mage and he has no problems with stun...

[Blackduck]

I play alliance priest and there's nothing worse than doing a big psychic scream and then seeing like all five guys you feared instantly get out of it either from will of the forsaken or berserking or whatever.

There's way too many ways to get out of fear, even druids can just magically get out of it now.

Its the deep feral talent beserk. its a 6min cd and doesn't provide any immunity like wotf. Just a break.

every feral druid has it, 90% of the druids in battlegrounds are feral.

[Grayhammer]

Because of racial Will of the Forsaken on large portion of PvP players in horde.

Is fear so cruical for locks to be least played only because of wotf ?

CC is the defining factor of the Warlock class. In Turtle WoW there are plenty of ways of breaking out of CC for horde players. Warlocks specifically require CC (Succubus, Fear, Death Coil, Howl of Terror) so they can DoT you up, reposition or have allies' intercept. The utility of the Warlock in PVP is great, however with how things are, CC breaking just makes Alliance WL not viable.

[Eversongwoods]

the destruction talent tree could use some improvements like they did with arcane for mages

[Volkyte]

Topic

I've seen alliance locks (humans not even gnomes) destroying horde on other servers, so why this class is least played on this server alli side when class itself is op ?

in vanilla Warlock alliance is penalized vs horde players who play undead. Will of the forsaken is basically a racial trinket vs locks seductions and fears.
Is it impossible to human locks to defeat horde undeads? absolutely not. Depends, as always, in the pvp skill of the individual.

[Krotux]

Give humans 30% silence resist and it will be balanced imo. Name it Human Willpower or something.

Not anywhere near as good as orcs' stun resist, but humans have other racials as well.

[Idontcareatall]

Because of racial Will of the Forsaken on large portion of PvP players in horde.

Is fear so cruical for locks to be least played only because of wotf ?

Actually, yes.

Not that WotF will be always available all the time, but it will be available enough times that it makes priest/warlock a far shittier experience to play on Alliance side, than it is on Horde.

That's not even close.

[Twinking]

The racial passive of the undead removes not only fear but also sedact of sucubbus, leaving only 2 minute control from deth coil.
When I was dueling as a horde, the ones that caused the most problems were undead rogues and feral druids with their burst damage.

[Volkyte]

Give humans 30% silence resist and it will be balanced imo. Name it Human Willpower or something.

Not anywhere near as good as orcs' stun resist, but humans have other racials as well.

they got already perception which basically makes everything except sub specced rogues easily spottable. For world pvp and bgs are godsend.

[Krotux]

Give humans 30% silence resist and it will be balanced imo. Name it Human Willpower or something.

Not anywhere near as good as orcs' stun resist, but humans have other racials as well.

they got already perception which basically makes everything except sub specced rogues easily spottable. For world pvp and bgs are godsend.

it doesn't actually work very well in practice because of ping and what not. If a rogue sprints straight to you he can get a sap or stun off.

Ironically, it's best on a human rogue since you cannot be rushed by the other rogue.

That's why silence resist is good, because its for casters only and humans have nothing good for casters. Orcs also have rage as their active, which is worse, but they get stun resist which is way better.

[Volkyte]

Give humans 30% silence resist and it will be balanced imo. Name it Human Willpower or something.

Not anywhere near as good as orcs' stun resist, but humans have other racials as well.

they got already perception which basically makes everything except sub specced rogues easily spottable. For world pvp and bgs are godsend.

it doesn't actually work very well in practice because of ping and what not. If a rogue sprints straight to you he can get a sap or stun off.

Ironically, it's best on a human rogue since you cannot be rushed by the other rogue.

That's why silence resist is good, because its for casters only and humans have nothing good for casters. Orcs also have rage as their active, which is worse, but they get stun resist which is way better.

I disagree on silence resist. Many classes (disci priest unbreakable will, paladin improved concentration aura and so on) would make human basically unsilenceable. Breaking even more game balance.

[Krotux]

they got already perception which basically makes everything except sub specced rogues easily spottable. For world pvp and bgs are godsend.

it doesn't actually work very well in practice because of ping and what not. If a rogue sprints straight to you he can get a sap or stun off.

Ironically, it's best on a human rogue since you cannot be rushed by the other rogue.

That's why silence resist is good, because its for casters only and humans have nothing good for casters. Orcs also have rage as their active, which is worse, but they get stun resist which is way better.

I disagree on silence resist. Many classes (disci priest unbreakable will, paladin improved concentration aura and so on) would make human basically unsilenceable. Breaking even more game balance.

Then get rid of will of the forsaken and orc stun resist

[Majestik51]

it doesn't actually work very well in practice because of ping and what not. If a rogue sprints straight to you he can get a sap or stun off.

Ironically, it's best on a human rogue since you cannot be rushed by the other rogue.

That's why silence resist is good, because its for casters only and humans have nothing good for casters. Orcs also have rage as their active, which is worse, but they get stun resist which is way better.

I disagree on silence resist. Many classes (disci priest unbreakable will, paladin improved concentration aura and so on) would make human basically unsilenceable. Breaking even more game balance.

Then get rid of will of the forsaken and orc stun resist

yes and buff more palas and druids,
actually delete whole horde faction... only sweet lil allies in game ...

haha u funny

[Krotux]

I disagree on silence resist. Many classes (disci priest unbreakable will, paladin improved concentration aura and so on) would make human basically unsilenceable. Breaking even more game balance.

Then get rid of will of the forsaken and orc stun resist

yes and buff more palas and druids,
actually delete whole horde faction... only sweet lil allies in game ...

haha u funny

lol everyone knows those two racials are actually OP, it's not even a discussion