2023 — October 30

[Torta]

• Fixed the issue where the Vampirism effect was not stacking.

• Increased the proc chance of Lightning Speed to 10% for Lightning Bolt and 50% for Stormstrike.

• Potent Venom now stacks only 2 times, ticks every 3 seconds instead of 2 seconds, lasts 12 seconds instead of 10 seconds and the damage per tick has been increased to 30.

• Reduced the spell power scaling of Lifebinding to 10%.

• Fixed the problem with Zone and Area updates not triggering properly, which caused players to not always be attackable inside the Gurubashi Arena.

• Medivh's Merlot and Medivh's Merlot Blue can now stack with other buffs.

• Damaging paladin spells can now proc Wrath of Cenarius.

• Updated the greeting text of NPC "Lord Ebonlocke".

• Fixed "Nordanaar Herbal Tea" to correctly have 3 charges.

• The quest "Culling Wildlife" is now repeatable.

• Fixed the issue with the quest drop for the quest "Culling Wildlife".

• Corrected the miscalculation of honor gains on Tel'Abim PvP.

• Removed EXP and money rewards from Culling Wildlife.

• Reduced the vendor price of turtle pet eggs dropped by turtle enemies to 1 silver.

• Snarlclaw quest in Gilneas is now properly marked as Elite.

• Several quest typo fixes from QA and community reports.

• Resolved a quest chain error that prevented Orvan Darkeye quest chain in Gilneas from continuing for Horde player.

• Removed the level 60 requirement for turning in Blood Ring quests, Arena Honor Marks, and Tokens of Blood.

• Reduced overtuned reputation rewards for Blood Ring matches.

• Fixed proc rate of Sulfuras to 3 PPM.

• Brainwashing Device will no longer saves specs with unspent Talent Points.

[Fresharugula]

Any information on what the original Proc rates were for the Lighting Speed buff. How much of a buff to the totem is this?

[Kastok]

Any information on what the original Proc rates were for the Lighting Speed buff. How much of a buff to the totem is this?

Testing from people in the shaman discord channel estimated around 2% for lightning bolt and maybe 15-20% for Stormstrike. Seems pretty decent of a buff.

[Borefficz]

• Potent Venom now stacks only 2 times, and the damage per tick has been increased to 30.

Is the tick rate back to 2 seconds, or will it remain at the stealthnerfed 3 seconds?
On a sidenote how can you nerf an item by 47% and not include the change in the patch notes?

[Xudo]

I really appreciate regular dedicated work of turtle team. Server gets better and better every week.

• Removed the level 60 requirement for turning in Blood Ring quests, Arena Honor Marks, and Tokens of Blood.

• Reduced overtuned reputation rewards for Blood Ring matches.

Great change.

[Blackduck]

• Reduced the spell power scaling of Lifebinding to 10%.

Whoa this is a crazy nerf. I used the Red Dragonscale set on my paladin and I thought it was decent at most. The proc rate was only like 5% or something and while the lifebinding effect was cool it was only improving my healing by like 5% in the logs. I definitely would have abandoned the set once I started getting more bis pieces from raids.
Were Shamans able to get more out of it or something?

[Rramage]

• Reduced the spell power scaling of Lifebinding to 10%.

Thanks, paladins really needed fewer viable gear options to wear for healing! An alternative to wearing a teal dress and ultra low droprate mixed cloth and leather off set pieces? Can't have that! /sarc

You wont make a T1 or T2 healing variant for paladins. I'm 18k/21k to exalted with Hydraxian and have seen two pairs of wild growth spaulders and one set of salamander scale legs drop. Paladin healing gear is in SHAMBLES and not only do you refuse to help, you're nerfing one of the very few viable gear choices we can make.

If healadins are going to be consigned to wearing dungeon blues and crafted BoEs, could you at least not nerf the scraps we're given?

[Rramage]

• Reduced the spell power scaling of Lifebinding to 10%.

Whoa this is a crazy nerf. I used the Red Dragonscale set on my paladin and I thought it was decent at most. The proc rate was only like 5% or something and while the lifebinding effect was cool it was only improving my healing by like 5% in the logs. I definitely would have abandoned the set once I started getting more bis pieces from raids.
Were Shamans able to get more out of it or something?

Months of logs show Lifebinding being responsible for 5-7% of my healing as well. A really nice proc that helps fill in some of the weaknesses of paladin healing but nowhere near gamebreaking. Resto shamans and priests smoke my healing numbers easily, and I'm usually on par with resto druids

[Gantulga]

Procs should either not scale with SP/AP at all, or scale based on a sensible formula (not 100%). All this nonsense about adding broken procs and then fixing them is getting old.

The poison trinket got overnerfed into total irrelevance. I can't see why anybody would use it now over easier to get and better option like HoJ.

[Jstansberry]

The poison trinket nerfs are disappointing. The better route to take would have been to severely nerf the base damage and increase the SP scaling, so it is at least a viable option for 1 or 2 specs. As of these patchnotes, I don't think any class would use it over other DPS trinket options in the same or even previous content tiers.

[Blackduck]

It's kinda hard to get excited about new loot and stuff if you know there's a good chance the piece you want is just going to get nerfed.

[Blackduck]

Procs should either not scale with SP/AP at all, or scale based on a sensible formula (not 100%). All this nonsense about adding broken procs and then fixing them is getting old.

The poison trinket got overnerfed into total irrelevance. I can't see why anybody would use it now over easier to get and better option like HoJ.

I think it had the same coefficient as rejuvenation which was like .75 so not quite 100%

[Nallkun]

The poison trinket nerfs are disappointing. The better route to take would have been to severely nerf the base damage and increase the SP scaling, so it is at least a viable option for 1 or 2 specs. As of these patchnotes, I don't think any class would use it over other DPS trinket options in the same or even previous content tiers.

It's kinda hard to get excited about new loot and stuff if you know there's a good chance the piece you want is just going to get nerfed.

Procs should either not scale with SP/AP at all, or scale based on a sensible formula (not 100%). All this nonsense about adding broken procs and then fixing them is getting old.

The poison trinket got overnerfed into total irrelevance. I can't see why anybody would use it now over easier to get and better option like HoJ.

Agreed - HALF the damage, Zero Scaling. 60 dmg/ over 3 seconds? Its now a lvl 20-30 item. Literally More Damage from the Sunken Temple Chained Essence trinket..

What was so broken that it needed a nerf this bad? PVP? then scale it down on players.

you nerfed the item to the point where it has zero value - Grats bank gear bag
Now no point to going to kara after 3-4 weeks.

[Brs1katleta]

As soon as I got home from work, I immediately went into the game and flew to hit the dummy in the hope that the new stat “vampirism” introduced into the game was finally working properly. I play as a mage, I collected 8% vampirism with equipment + enchants and here are my results:
1. If you put on several clothes for vampirism, it always works where there is less%
2. if an item has the vampirism stat and is enchanted with vampirism (bracelets or boots), then the enchantment does not work
3. if you put on a 2% mannequin and a 1% glove, poke it into a dummy (1% works, respectively), and then take off the glove, then with the very first cast you can heal yourself from 400 to 1.5k HP, but only once.
4. before introducing new characteristics, and then fixing them, make sure for yourself that they work correctly, stop disappointing the people who play for you.

[Elesion]

The server status shows the main realm has an uptime of over 2 days. My understanding is that the patch has not been applied to Nordanaar yet. So I would wait on tonight's scheduled honor maintenance.

[Ghola]

Lightning speed buff did not seem to work for lightning bolt

[Xavaoo]

Some prediction of fixing the paladin's reckoning talent, where the extra attacks do not come out but consumes the charges.

[Orlymike]

Welcome to Turtle WoW Patch 1.17!!! Patch of the NERFS!
Join us today! All those item you like? We got you covered. Nerf. Nerf. Nerf.


JFC, do open betas so you can get these items tested before releasing everything, and then nerfing them over and over.

[Dasitmane]

Brainwashing Device will no longer saves specs with unspent Talent Points.

Such a shit change. Why ?

[Gantulga]

• Brainwashing Device will no longer saves specs with unspent Talent Points.

This is absolutely damn terrible. Why do it at this point?

[Snakeman]

JFC, do open betas so you can get these items tested before releasing everything, and then nerfing them over and over.

This. You guys would gain a lot more trust from your community if we weren't constantly and unwillingly playing what's essentially a playtest build for your entire game. What's the point in setting gear goals when they could completely change at the drop of a hat?

[Elesion]

• Brainwashing Device will no longer saves specs with unspent Talent Points.

A literal hybrid tax. They actually introduced a literal hybrid tax. If you want to heal, dps *and* tank you have to keep paying for it? Why single out certain classes?
And why change it after so long? <.< This is like removing raid-scaling all over again. Just yank a beloved unique feature for no goddamn reason.

[Arthurusmenks]

• Brainwashing Device will no longer saves specs with unspent Talent Points.

This is absolutely damn terrible. Why do it at this point?

Time to do bad decitions I guess...

[Gantulga]

• Brainwashing Device will no longer saves specs with unspent Talent Points.

A literal hybrid tax. They actually introduced a literal hybrid tax. If you want to heal, dps *and* tank you have to keep paying for it? Why single out certain classes?

Even non-hybrids will suffer from this.

[Ashstache]

• Brainwashing Device will no longer saves specs with unspent Talent Points.

this is racism

[Holyhorrorr]

• Brainwashing Device will no longer saves specs with unspent Talent Points.

This is absolutely damn terrible. Why do it at this point?

Agreed, hate this change too...

[Nixors]

• Brainwashing Device will no longer saves specs with unspent Talent Points.

But... why? Literally no one on the entire server wanted this.. It is the literal opposite of a Quality of LIfe feature unique to the server. You're basically saying: "You want to enjoy more than two specs? Pay up and just stop being poor."

[Holyhorrorr]

• Potent Venom now stacks only 2 times, and the damage per tick has been increased to 30.

Is the tick rate back to 2 seconds, or will it remain at the stealthnerfed 3 seconds?
On a sidenote how can you nerf an item by 47% and not include the change in the patch notes?

That item was never supposed to be a top tier dps item, it drops in a 10man raid dungeon and shouldn't be more powerful then Naxxramas trinkets.

[Lexiebean]

• Brainwashing Device will no longer saves specs with unspent Talent Points.

Please at least add a few more slots to the Brainwashing Device. Like, 5 or so even.

[Dasitmane]

• Potent Venom now stacks only 2 times, and the damage per tick has been increased to 30.

Is the tick rate back to 2 seconds, or will it remain at the stealthnerfed 3 seconds?
On a sidenote how can you nerf an item by 47% and not include the change in the patch notes?

That item was never supposed to be a top tier dps item, it drops in a 10man raid dungeon and shouldn't be more powerful then Naxxramas trinkets.

Except thats what made vanilla fun and why people kept playing it. There's trinkets in bwl better than ones in naxx. Should those be nerfed too? Maybe nerf windfury while we're at it cause its tier 1.

[Wafflesauce]

• Brainwashing Device will no longer saves specs with unspent Talent Points.

I'm disappointed with the recent change to the Brainwashing Device in the game. The decision to no longer save specs with unspent Talent Points has affected my gameplay experience. I believe it's important for developers to consider the impact of such changes on the player base and to communicate their reasons for making these adjustments more clearly."

[Erousagi]

Brainwashing Device will no longer saves specs with unspent Talent Points.

it's understandable since ppl never spend gold to respec once they have it but it has been there so long that it already becomes a feature of this server, and it costs 350G or 10(20) euro, why even bother to fix it now? There are better ways to recycle gold without taking away benifits from players.

[Holyhorrorr]

Is the tick rate back to 2 seconds, or will it remain at the stealthnerfed 3 seconds?
On a sidenote how can you nerf an item by 47% and not include the change in the patch notes?

That item was never supposed to be a top tier dps item, it drops in a 10man raid dungeon and shouldn't be more powerful then Naxxramas trinkets.

Except thats what made vanilla fun and why people kept playing it. There's trinkets in bwl better than ones in naxx. Should those be nerfed too? Maybe nerf windfury while we're at it cause its tier 1.

bwl is a 40man dungeon and proves my point that it shouldn't be better then top tier dps items.

[Tawneyturtle]

• Brainwashing Device will no longer saves specs with unspent Talent Points.

This will kill non meta specs in raiding.

[Holyhorrorr]

• Brainwashing Device will no longer saves specs with unspent Talent Points.

This will kill non meta specs in raiding.

Also kills the fun to test several new specs and combinations of hybrid specs. big dislike for it :(