2023 — May 3

[Jamey]

• Improved RMT & bot detection.

• Fixed a bug where some Prison Cell Keys weren't party-lootable.

• Removed all Gold Vein spawns in Un'goro Crater.

• The Battle of Darrowshire now works with crossfaction groups.

• You will no longer gain experience from killing mobs if the teleport out of dungeon timer is active.

• Fixed issues with Solenor the Slayer.

• Guards should no longer aggro players in stealth when they sap another player.

• Fixed issues with Purtle Tallstrider.

• Fixed Kerlonian's Chest never respawning.

• Fixed issues with The Annals of Darrowshire.

• Fixed guards aggroing through Improved Sap.

• Raised the minimum level to talk to level 10.

• Fixed a bug where the talent Thunderhead allowed a Shaman to cast Lightning shields on low level targets.

• Fixed various grammar issues in Tel'Abim objects and gossip texts.

• Increased attack timers of some NPCs who use 2-handed weapons.

• Fixed various auto-complete quests on Tel'Abim.

Item changes:

The next changes are revised changes from the previous changelog.

• Flamewrath Leggings: 28 -> 18 Strength, 18 -> 25 Agility, Removed 1% Critical Chance.

• Depthstalker Helm: Removed 1% Dodge and 3 MP5.

[Keds]

Really??? That is what you guys do with Thunderhead? This talent is ridiculous, please do something about enh shamans

[Rat2156]

Really??? That is what you guys do with Thunderhead? This talent is ridiculous, please do something about enh shamans

This is clearly a minor patch, not a major update. Don't panic yet

[Rokit]

Really??? That is what you guys do with Thunderhead? This talent is ridiculous, please do something about enh shamans

I don't understand why this person is upset. Context?

[Raffix]

Raised the minimum level to talk to level 10.

This is somewhat good with the increase of gold spammers lately, but why can't it be coded that people cannot talk in Say, General, whispers and mostly World, while being able to talk in group?

Also, I've often seen on other private servers an "Ignore" command from the drop-down menu when you right-click a name in chat. That would be fantastic to block spammers or anyone that annoys you. Make it happen please Turtle WoW devs and make sure that ignore list isn't limited in any way, you should be able to add as many on there as there are separate characters in existence.

[Akalix]

There is a known issue causing crashes, however, the feature causing problems has been disabled pending a hotfix.

[Jolikmc]

• Raised the minimum level to talk to level 10.

This is permanent now, huh? Man, that's gonna kill a lot of "newcomer RP"… Like, all of it. It probably won't stop really determined gold spammers, either. Saw a "player" who was above Level 10 spamming just the other day. Maybe you should raise it to Level 20.

Were it me, I'd just let players deal with it, themselves, as they do on Blizzard servers. That's what the /ignore command is for, among other things… right? It's your server, though, so…
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Replies to Raffix (Under a Spoiler to keep the topic somewhat tidy.)

This is somewhat good with the increase of gold spammers lately, but why can't it be coded that people cannot talk in Say, General, whispers and mostly World, while being able to talk in group?

Wait, really? Does this apply to parties, guilds, or both? If it applies to parties, I suppose this does kind of counteract my point about roleplaying at low levels… but instead of "world RP", it's "party RP". Not… my cup of tea, and emotes don't work in parties, but… alright.

Also, I've often seen on other private servers an "Ignore" command from the drop-down menu when you right-click a name in chat. That would be fantastic to block spammers or anyone that annoys you.

"/ignore playername" works in Vanilla. Opening the "Ignore" interface and shift-clicking names from the chat log also works. It's not exactly ideal, admittedly, but it's functional.

[…] and make sure that ignore list isn't limited in any way, you should be able to add as many on there as there are separate characters in existence.

There are a few AddOns that might be able to help with this. Some of them boast "infinite Ignore lists", though I haven't tested any of them, myself.

[Flamingkey]

I understand the need to do something about spammers, but I agree with Jolikmc. This decision is going to kill basically all of low level RP and newcomer RP and considering Turtle advertises itself as a roleplaying server, I feel like this course of action is saying something. :(

[Kuzz]

Sapphiron Enchants fix when?

[Ziggyw]

1. actually shellcoin advertisers are WAY MORE annoying then goldsellers - and cannot be blocked/ignored - having them (Horde example - Orgrimmar) in most trafficked place between bank and AH, flymaster and spawnpoint most often makes reading chat absolutely impossible
2. as said above - mute to lvl 10 on EVERY CHAT will kill newcomers communication
3. absolutely agree above will NOT SOLVE gold spammers problem
4. actually having a bank alt lvl 1 - whenever i'm trying to help someone asking questions or seeing something interesting in chat - have to note players name and relog to other char, have to admit most often i just ignore it then - which is really not helping newbies

all in all looks like (unsuccesful) attempts to get rid of gold sellers are making TWoW unfriendly for low lvl char communication, with some hypocrisy as shellcoin adverts spam

suggestions:
- allow lowbies to chat in /g /p at least
- allow either turn off shellcoin spammers or block/ignore them

[Xerilin]

Having to level up characters I have solely for helping my guild's role play to 10 just to be able to actually do just that kind of sucks. I get it about gold spammers, but it's still annoying...

[Andre612]

Is the Drui set still BOP.
U said u would change that to BOE.

[Geojak]

Please allow /party chat from lvl 1
This is very important
Gold sellers won't be able to abuse this. Whole actually players can actually communicate whole questing together.

[Kairion]

Please allow /party chat from lvl 1
This is very important
Gold sellers won't be able to abuse this. Whole actually players can actually communicate whole questing together.

They will spam grp invites if thats the waythey can get their message accross...

But is it maybe possible to set the chatrestriction to have at least one lvl10 char on the account? That makes it way less problematic for twinkers and hc people but still quite effwctive against

[Huma]

wake up this server its not a RP anymore, it was when there was 200 players, now is all about PVE and HC mode

[Geojak]

Please allow /party chat from lvl 1
This is very important
Gold sellers won't be able to abuse this. Whole actually players can actually communicate whole questing together.

They will spam grp invites if thats the waythey can get their message accross...

But is it maybe possible to set the chatrestriction to have at least one lvl10 char on the account? That makes it way less problematic for twinkers and hc people but still quite effwctive against

Good idea!
There must be a better way than the current restrictions agaiant everyone

[Cyborgjiro]

I did have moments on my way to lv 10 that I wanted to ask questions but couldn't but I dont mind it to stop some goldsellers

[Grindplayertwo]

Already see gold seller spam at lvl 10 today
Maybe now make the restriction lvl at lvl 60 : problem solve.

People just need to download addon like SuperIgnore... better than raised again talking restriction...

[Nifelly]

1. actually shellcoin advertisers are WAY MORE annoying then goldsellers - and cannot be blocked/ignored - having them (Horde example - Orgrimmar) in most trafficked place between bank and AH, flymaster and spawnpoint most often makes reading chat absolutely impossible
2. as said above - mute to lvl 10 on EVERY CHAT will kill newcomers communication
3. absolutely agree above will NOT SOLVE gold spammers problem
4. actually having a bank alt lvl 1 - whenever i'm trying to help someone asking questions or seeing something interesting in chat - have to note players name and relog to other char, have to admit most often i just ignore it then - which is really not helping newbies

all in all looks like (unsuccesful) attempts to get rid of gold sellers are making TWoW unfriendly for low lvl char communication, with some hypocrisy as shellcoin adverts spam

suggestions:
- allow lowbies to chat in /g /p at least
- allow either turn off shellcoin spammers or block/ignore them

This.
The restriction to level 10 is punishing normal players while doing absolutely nothing to prevent gold sellers from advertising.

[Karrados]

Really??? That is what you guys do with Thunderhead? This talent is ridiculous, please do something about enh shamans

I don't understand why this person is upset. Context?

The Talent is incredibly underwhelming as it is. It's an absolute no-choice, you just don't take it. The only saving grace (and that is stretching it) was to put it on low level guys to help them a little bit for the next 3 hits at least.

Now you can't even do that. The worst? It's a custom talent, they made it and it's utterly terrible.

[Markuis]

I remember when I first joined the server. It was my first time playing vanilla, and it felt clunky. Luckily, I could ask for help about it, and so I stayed, even if I was about to leave.
There is important things to chat about at low levels. I hope the level 10 ban is something temporal until they find a less intrusive solution. BTW how viable would it be to end up banning the account of the people who benefit from the gold selling? I mean, the end account. That's what would hurt them the most.

[Hamalam]

Really???? Level 10 requirement for chat? This is ridiculous. Atleast lower it to level 7/8, but level 10 is horrible.

I hope this gets changed very quickly, this is just insane, all because some people sell gold. If there's active moderators in the chat, why is it an issue a level 5 player is able to talk? Getting to level 10 can be a pain in the ass, sometimes you need to talk to someone while you're under level 10, this is quite saddening.

You guys really f*cked up with this one, this server is slowly losing it's charm anyways. I thought this was a roleplay server?

[Set280]

Grouping level 1-10 is one of my favorite things to do for RP purposes. Raising the requirement to talk to level 10 is a terrible idea. So many better ways to do it. Why not at least give the 1-10 players the ability to /party chat.

[Bigsmerf]

Really???? Level 10 requirement for chat? This is ridiculous. Atleast lower it to level 7/8, but level 10 is horrible.

I hope this gets changed very quickly, this is just insane, all because some people sell gold. If there's active moderators in the chat, why is it an issue a level 5 player is able to talk? Getting to level 10 can be a pain in the ass, sometimes you need to talk to someone while you're under level 10, this is quite saddening.

You guys really f*cked up with this one, this server is slowly losing it's charm anyways. I thought this was a roleplay server?

The RP scene has pretty much been completely replaced by classic andys wanting the same feeling they felt playing vanilla. You'll have to ask around and get into a guild just to find things like weekly events.

[Keds]

Really??? That is what you guys do with Thunderhead? This talent is ridiculous, please do something about enh shamans

This is clearly a minor patch, not a major update. Don't panic yet

If they wasted their time and effort to fix this issues, probably means they don't intent in changing it.

[Keds]

Really??? That is what you guys do with Thunderhead? This talent is ridiculous, please do something about enh shamans

I don't understand why this person is upset. Context?

If you go into the shaman forum you'll see what i'm talking about. literally 90% of the people I talked to ingame is currently not using this talent, and yet they decided to spend their time "nerfing" it even more.

[Stinkyjames]

Item changes:

The next changes are revised changes from the previous changelog.

• Flamewrath Leggings: 28 -> 18 Strength, 18 -> 25 Agility, Removed 1% Critical Chance.

• Depthstalker Helm: Removed 1% Dodge and 3 MP5.

This makes no sense, these pants are a very good starter pants for ferals and shamans. Nerfing them cuts what tiny bit of early edge we get compared to other classes down to fartpoop.

[Xudo]

If you go into the shaman forum you'll see what i'm talking about. literally 90% of the people I talked to ingame is currently not using this talent, and yet they decided to spend their time "nerfing" it even more.

If they are not using it, why they upset because of nerf?

I think this shield is cool group utility for enh shaman to buff MT for additional threat. 198 damage+15%=227.7 damage per hit. assuming that most bosses attack with speed 2.0, it is equivalent to 113 DPS for tank. 1 DPS for tank increases DPS of every raid member for 1-2 DPS depending on individual coeffecients.

I get interested what others say
viewtopic.php?p=43669
"make it AoE", "allow to spend charges to attack someone"
viewtopic.php?p=42578
"lightning shield costs too much", "I hate that shamans should buff others"
viewtopic.php?p=42030#p42030
"make lightning shield to damage others on spell hit"
viewtopic.php?p=38992#p38825
"lightning shield should do periodic AoE damage"
viewtopic.php?p=31919#p31919
"should be more charges", "too high manacost to be used", "should be used offensively like shock"
viewtopic.php?p=22999#p22999
"it is tedious to watch on buffs of the tank when you do your own job"
viewtopic.php?p=31796#p31796
"when you can cast shield on anyone, you cant cast it on yourself"
viewtopic.php?p=31824#p31824
"awkward design which forces you to watch on tank buffs"

I think that major issue is that shield has only 3 charges and you need to watch on buffs of the tank.
Damage of this buff also don't count as damage of shaman, so it doesn't increase stats of shaman in DPS meter.

[Xerilin]

Really???? Level 10 requirement for chat? This is ridiculous. Atleast lower it to level 7/8, but level 10 is horrible.

I hope this gets changed very quickly, this is just insane, all because some people sell gold. If there's active moderators in the chat, why is it an issue a level 5 player is able to talk? Getting to level 10 can be a pain in the ass, sometimes you need to talk to someone while you're under level 10, this is quite saddening.

You guys really f*cked up with this one, this server is slowly losing it's charm anyways. I thought this was a roleplay server?

The RP scene has pretty much been completely replaced by classic andys wanting the same feeling they felt playing vanilla. You'll have to ask around and get into a guild just to find things like weekly events.

RP on turtle is great. You can also check discord for events. I assure you, there are more than one a week.

[Ghola]

If they are not using it, why they upset because of nerf?

I think this shield is cool group utility for enh shaman to buff MT for additional threat. 198 damage+15%=227.7 damage per hit. assuming that most bosses attack with speed 2.0, it is equivalent to 113 DPS for tank. 1 DPS for tank increases DPS of every raid member for 1-2 DPS depending on individual coeffecients.

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I think that major issue is that shield has only 3 charges and you need to watch on buffs of the tank.
Damage of this buff also don't count as damage of shaman, so it doesn't increase stats of shaman in DPS meter.

except it does count as the shaman's damage and the shaman's threat, it used to work the way you are describing but then I'm assuming hcs complained that it was getting them flagged

[Knnib4l]

Sooo, about the convergence of elements bonus set changes so warriors don't wear the pants instead of titanic leggings (which I don't see any, btw), any news or did enh and feral got shafted again?

[Bittermens]

And nothing on fixing Malor the Zealous Boss Drop, once again he keeps dropping nothing off his loot once killed.

[Sanyachan93]

wake up this server its not a RP anymore, it was when there was 200 players, now is all about PVE and HC mode

I joined to this server mainly because I thought it would be some kind of RP with one life, but there's no roleplay at all, there are no rules...

[Trymv1]

except it does count as the shaman's damage and the shaman's threat, it used to work the way you are describing but then I'm assuming hcs complained that it was getting them flagged

Not like fire totems track properly either (unless you have one single shaman using them) so you'd think theyd have been used to that.

Personally I see Thunderhead as a nifty idea since its 600dmg+100%sp on an instant global, granted it takes a few seconds to do all its damage and isnt the cheapest spell. Could certainly see Imp LShield talent giving a few extra charges to balance it a bit better for the Enhance Shammies to make better use (obviously no Ele is gonna pick it up, just keep mashing LB).

[Keds]

except it does count as the shaman's damage and the shaman's threat, it used to work the way you are describing but then I'm assuming hcs complained that it was getting them flagged

Not like fire totems track properly either (unless you have one single shaman using them) so you'd think theyd have been used to that.

Personally I see Thunderhead as a nifty idea since its 600dmg+100%sp on an instant global, granted it takes a few seconds to do all its damage and isnt the cheapest spell. Could certainly see Imp LShield talent giving a few extra charges to balance it a bit better for the Enhance Shammies to make better use (obviously no Ele is gonna pick it up, just keep mashing LB).

The idea is good, but on practice, who would be spamming LShield if Ele shamans need to spam their shit, Enh is only useful atm doing Totem Twisting (which is already mana expensive) so they can't spend their mana elsewhere, and resto needs to be healing... The talent just doesn't make sense nor does it has a place to fit that doesn't make the gameplay clunky...