Patch 1.17.0 — Beyond the Greymane Wall

[Majestik51]

any approx realease dates?

and 1 more thing. is it Hyjal gonna be accessible?
Please make it happen i love this place.

[Allwynd01]

Hype for Gilneas, but I agree with Plainbear. Tauren still have the lowest total class count and could use at least 1-2 more options. If Paladin isn't possible, then Priest would be my recommendation.

Also, are there more class tweaks/changes coming under that gameplay section?

I just can't really think of a class that would fit Tauren other than the 4 they can already be.
Paladin? No. Alliance exclusive. Unless alliance gets shamans.
Rogues? Not really. Unless the Grimtotem show them some kind of hidden stealth ability idk.

Why not rogues? All they need are some new horseshoes that make no sound. Surely the genius goblin engineurs of the horde can come up with a solution for that. "Have you ever seen a Tauren stalk a Python? Of course you haven't...thats because Tauren are so adept at blending in with their surroundings"

But ya on a serious note Druid is something like a special/hero class exclusive for nightelves and tauren. I really wish all races had an exclusive class. Like Tinker for goblin/gnomes anyways. Feral and Moonkin are the stealth and caster specc for tauren.

It would be better to give them sets designed for one specc and not the jack of all trades but master of non sets they mostly have from pvp and pve endgame content. For example make a stormshroud Armor-Set/Wolfshead Helm(both grant already energy) questline similar to t0.5, but only for feral cat/bear druids. Or new leather working recipes that update these two and other sets with druid speccs in mind.

Tauren Rogue was a meme. A lot of the class combination on Retail WoW are memes that were retconned to be canon because Retail WoW and Activision are creatively bankrupt. Next one is Gnome and Gnome Demon Hunters.

The canonic story of Warcraft is even different from Vanilla WoW. A lot of things in Vanilla were also retconned so the game can be functional and playable. For example the Forsaken should not be part of the Horde, they should have been a separate faction, but were made playable and part of the Horde, because probably a lot of people wanted to play them from Warcraft 3.

Remember, just because Turtle WoW is adding new things to the game, it doesn't mean that anything goes. There used to be those "level 255, fun server, new races" where you can play as a Naga, Ogre or Murloc and it was really broken and horrible, but this is not those servers.

[Jombo]

Nope.

Wait what? Does this mean that my HE hunter, which I only made because human hunter was not an option, cannot become human?

Good he is only lvl 32...

[Sinrek]

Nope.

Wait what? Does this mean that my HE hunter, which I only made because human hunter was not an option, cannot become human?

Good he is only lvl 32...

Yes, you pick a human as a hunter to level it once it's available.

[Xudo]

I probably found another thing coming in next patch
Dreamsteel bar https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=61216
Book: Smelt Dreamsteel https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=61226

[Imonobor]

And here's me still hoping for Dwarf Shamans and Undead Paladins :D
Anyway, awesome changes, I'm super hyped for the update! <3

[Allwynd01]

Any more information on Gilneas?

[Tragin]

Any realease dates?

[Valikhhh91]

When is the new patch ?

[Xerilin]

SoonTM

[Ramoneknot]

Any realease dates?

[Realbabyrage]

release date pleasseeeeeeeeeeee

[Bittermens]

release date pleasseeeeeeeeeeee

When its done

[Piffo]

The planed race and maybe faction change option in the Store should have a higher priority.
I could see that as a feature many would be interessted in.

[Xerilin]

The planed race and maybe faction change option in the Store should have a higher priority.
I could see that as a feature many would be interessted in.

Turtle's main feature is custom content and not correcting player's race choices. It's nice that they do that as well, but giving stuff like server stability, respawn rates or custom content priority is not wrong, in my opinion.

[Wrathweaver]

I hope you guys are buffing Paladins... Please... I Hate not being able to one shot Naxx geared warriors, can only get them pesky buggers to 5% in a global.

Someone is salty as he is no longer the king of a braindead dps class :P

He is being ironic and trolling.
But Paladin is probably the most braindead class atm yes, and made much worse on turtle.
Crusader strike- crusader strike-crusader strike.... and thats the class as of now

Really hope they have the decency to do something, mistakes happen and we are all human.
But they cant just stick with this forever and pretend like nothing is wrong and start nerfing proc weapons.

[Bittermens]

I hope you guys are buffing Paladins... Please... I Hate not being able to one shot Naxx geared warriors, can only get them pesky buggers to 5% in a global.

Someone is salty as he is no longer the king of a braindead dps class :P

He is being ironic and trolling.
But Paladin is probably the most braindead class atm yes, and made much worse on turtle.
Crusader strike- crusader strike-crusader strike.... and thats the class as of now

Really hope they have the decency to do something, mistakes happen and we are all human.
But they cant just stick with this forever and pretend like nothing is wrong and start nerfing proc weapons.

Crusader strike Drains mana like a motherfucker and pallies are REALLY, but REALLY minmaxing dependent to deal damage.
You will never see a Ret in T2 or T3, maximum AQ40 gear and even that needs rep grind to get the parts.
Also pally rotation is all over the place since no one cared to make a deep technical guide about TW pally, there are paladins doing retarded damage and there are pallies doing near zero damage.

Unless TW decides to embrace Spelladin, Paladins being OP in PVP is a one of 10 due to minmax and sacrificing mana in process.

[Destiny19444]

Crusader strike Drains mana like a motherfucker and pallies are REALLY, but REALLY minmaxing dependent to deal damage.
You will never see a Ret in T2 or T3, maximum AQ40 gear and even that needs rep grind to get the parts.
Also pally rotation is all over the place since no one cared to make a deep technical guide about TW pally, there are paladins doing retarded damage and there are pallies doing near zero damage.

Unless TW decides to embrace Spelladin, Paladins being OP in PVP is a one of 10 due to minmax and sacrificing mana in process.

So what's the ideal spell usage in your opinion?

[Beertaster]

I hope you guys are buffing Paladins... Please... I Hate not being able to one shot Naxx geared warriors, can only get them pesky buggers to 5% in a global.

Someone is salty as he is no longer the king of a braindead dps class :P

He is being ironic and trolling.
But Paladin is probably the most braindead class atm yes, and made much worse on turtle.
Crusader strike- crusader strike-crusader strike.... and thats the class as of now

Really hope they have the decency to do something, mistakes happen and we are all human.
But they cant just stick with this forever and pretend like nothing is wrong and start nerfing proc weapons.

because the brain dead auto attacking of vanilla was soooooo much better.

Crusader strike is a stable of ret and especially prot. I don't want to see Pal tanking die because your upitty about pvp. It honestly wouldn't be seen as a problem if paladin's weren't a huge draw for the server. Everyone wants to try out a paladin here.

[Galindae]

maby to balance sides need dwarf shaman and undead paladin. (fallen paladins)
about shaman tanking would be good making some fire totem work similar to paladin concentration. and all spells tied to rockbiter weapon. its really hard on low levels hold agro if dps just randomly pew pew alla round and not assisting tank target.
p.s lower totem place for shamans in healing tree so they are awaulable from 10lvl its help with mana isues (totemic focus) place tham in ench tree replacing with +10% mana

[Wrathweaver]

Someone is salty as he is no longer the king of a braindead dps class :P

He is being ironic and trolling.
But Paladin is probably the most braindead class atm yes, and made much worse on turtle.
Crusader strike- crusader strike-crusader strike.... and thats the class as of now

Really hope they have the decency to do something, mistakes happen and we are all human.
But they cant just stick with this forever and pretend like nothing is wrong and start nerfing proc weapons.

because the brain dead auto attacking of vanilla was soooooo much better.

Crusader strike is a stable of ret and especially prot. I don't want to see Pal tanking die because your upitty about pvp. It honestly wouldn't be seen as a problem if paladin's weren't a huge draw for the server. Everyone wants to try out a paladin here.

New content and old content should coexist on turtle wow, nothing so major should be removed.
Could have added a cooldown on crusader strike or made some other solution if the stacking is too high, and if people like the proc thing added a new spell or seal instead and it would satisfy both parties.
Im just against the removal of vanilla spells, since i prefer classic paladin playstyle.
This would be fine on any other server since they will just do random crapholia of throwing stuff togheter, but the trademark is kinda being steady and not remove vanilla stuff here.

[Beertaster]

I really really like the paladin changes to spells. What's been changed was unused and useless spells with low proc rates or completely counter intuitive to the classes design. The deluge of paladin players also seem to agree.

[Stinkyjames]

Okay now actually improve stormstrike amongst other things so that every new player isnt just another ret pally

[Wrathweaver]

Someone is salty as he is no longer the king of a braindead dps class :P

He is being ironic and trolling.
But Paladin is probably the most braindead class atm yes, and made much worse on turtle.
Crusader strike- crusader strike-crusader strike.... and thats the class as of now

Really hope they have the decency to do something, mistakes happen and we are all human.
But they cant just stick with this forever and pretend like nothing is wrong and start nerfing proc weapons.

because the brain dead auto attacking of vanilla was soooooo much better.

Crusader strike is a stable of ret and especially prot. I don't want to see Pal tanking die because your upitty about pvp. It honestly wouldn't be seen as a problem if paladin's weren't a huge draw for the server. Everyone wants to try out a paladin here.

I was fine with crusader strike, new spells are always fun.
But i was really sad about the removal of vanilla paladin since i really do care about the class. :(

Im also fine with proccing with a new seal or spell as long as it does not come a the cost of removing everyting about the original paladin way of playing.

It is a different class now, most people flock to the server because its free, not because they truly care about world of warcraft the way it was back in the day.
Would be better to make the debuff more viable by buffing judgement of the crusader, keep crusader strike and perhaps add a new ability or seal if people enjoy proccing weapons. :)

Spells and class identity have not been removed from any other class, its just paladin that no longer play like the original class at all.
Freedom to choose is what i want.
Hope it is not a permanent removal of the original judgement, would be really sad if that was the case.

[Beertaster]

I was fine with crusader strike, new spells are always fun.
But i was really sad about the removal of vanilla paladin since i really do care about the class. :(

Im also fine with proccing with a new seal or spell as long as it does not come a the cost of removing everyting about the original paladin way of playing.

It is a different class now, most people flock to the server because its free, not because they truly care about world of warcraft the way it was back in the day.
Would be better to make the debuff more viable by buffing judgement of the crusader, keep crusader strike and perhaps add a new ability or seal if people enjoy proccing weapons. :)

Spells and class identity have not been removed from any other class, its just paladin that no longer play like the original class at all.
Freedom to choose is what i want.
Hope it is not a permanent removal of the original judgement, would be really sad if that was the case.

I leveled a paladin back in vanilla, and did some raiding. Trust me. Nothing of value has been lost. I don't think your coming at this in good faith either. Its just vague I want old pally because something something something. Its a pivot from your original argument of nerfing pvp paladins because of their holy burst. All this new direction does is reach the same effect from a new angle while trying not to sound unpopular.

[Wrathweaver]

I was fine with crusader strike, new spells are always fun.
But i was really sad about the removal of vanilla paladin since i really do care about the class. :(

Im also fine with proccing with a new seal or spell as long as it does not come a the cost of removing everyting about the original paladin way of playing.

It is a different class now, most people flock to the server because its free, not because they truly care about world of warcraft the way it was back in the day.
Would be better to make the debuff more viable by buffing judgement of the crusader, keep crusader strike and perhaps add a new ability or seal if people enjoy proccing weapons. :)

Spells and class identity have not been removed from any other class, its just paladin that no longer play like the original class at all.
Freedom to choose is what i want.
Hope it is not a permanent removal of the original judgement, would be really sad if that was the case.

I leveled a paladin back in vanilla, and did some raiding. Trust me. Nothing of value has been lost. I don't think your coming at this in good faith either. Its just vague I want old pally because something something something. Its a pivot from your original argument of nerfing pvp paladins because of their holy burst. All this new direction does is reach the same effect from a new angle while trying not to sound unpopular.

Would be nice if one could increase the debuff timer a few seconds to perhaps 12 and make holy strike refresh judgement if possible.

[Michifant]

Tauren Rogue... we all want them, we all need them

[Wrathweaver]

Tauren Rogue... we all want them, we all need them

Had to look that up :P
Doesnt look as bad as i imagined lol.

But nha, goblin shellcoin priest would be more fun if anything weird has to be added in my opinion.
Could add new priest racials, where players can buy blessings from a vendor machine for 1silver.

[Ghola]

I was fine with crusader strike, new spells are always fun.
But i was really sad about the removal of vanilla paladin since i really do care about the class. :(

Im also fine with proccing with a new seal or spell as long as it does not come a the cost of removing everyting about the original paladin way of playing.

It is a different class now, most people flock to the server because its free, not because they truly care about world of warcraft the way it was back in the day.
Would be better to make the debuff more viable by buffing judgement of the crusader, keep crusader strike and perhaps add a new ability or seal if people enjoy proccing weapons. :)

Spells and class identity have not been removed from any other class, its just paladin that no longer play like the original class at all.
Freedom to choose is what i want.
Hope it is not a permanent removal of the original judgement, would be really sad if that was the case.

I leveled a paladin back in vanilla, and did some raiding. Trust me. Nothing of value has been lost. I don't think your coming at this in good faith either. Its just vague I want old pally because something something something. Its a pivot from your original argument of nerfing pvp paladins because of their holy burst. All this new direction does is reach the same effect from a new angle while trying not to sound unpopular.

seal of command/holy shock build is lost

[Darrian]

Is there a best-guess publishing date for this yet? Looking forward to some Troll Warlock goodness.

[Bubamasteros]

Where is my human hunters?

[Ramoneknot]

Where is my human hunters? [1]

[G10stpd]

Night elf mages would be a great addition too. Keep up the good work!

[Shroudedsoul]

I hope you guys are buffing Paladins... Please... I Hate not being able to one shot Naxx geared warriors, can only get them pesky buggers to 5% in a global.

Someone is salty as he is no longer the king of a braindead dps class :P

He is being ironic and trolling.
But Paladin is probably the most braindead class atm yes, and made much worse on turtle.
Crusader strike- crusader strike-crusader strike.... and thats the class as of now

Really hope they have the decency to do something, mistakes happen and we are all human.
But they cant just stick with this forever and pretend like nothing is wrong and start nerfing proc weapons.

I mean, not all classes need be complicated or have a bloated rotation.

Paladin and Hunter are popular because they're cool and simpler.

[Wrathweaver]

Someone is salty as he is no longer the king of a braindead dps class :P

He is being ironic and trolling.
But Paladin is probably the most braindead class atm yes, and made much worse on turtle.
Crusader strike- crusader strike-crusader strike.... and thats the class as of now

Really hope they have the decency to do something, mistakes happen and we are all human.
But they cant just stick with this forever and pretend like nothing is wrong and start nerfing proc weapons.

I mean, not all classes need be complicated or have a bloated rotation.

Paladin and Hunter are popular because they're cool and simpler.

Well it would be like moving aspect of the cheeta, aspect of the monkey/wolf into aspect of the hawk.
And then make it auto switch, not in combate= cheeta, in melee=monkey/wolf and if ranged attacking hawk.

Removing stuff makes the class boring to play for people that are here to escape blizz streamlining.
Would have played retail if it wasnt for all the removals of everything that made the game fun for me.