Patch 1.17.0 — Beyond the Greymane Wall

[Balake]

unpopular opinion: it would be fine if horde got a new race and alliance got nothing. Alliance is the organized powerful faction, horde are the diverse rag-tag group of underdogs.

1. there is no balance reason the factions have to have the same number of possible races, lots of mmos have unbalanced factions and it's fine.
2. more potential races for horde will increase its population a little (still not completely catch up to alliance cause weeb races are always the most popular)

[Whalemilk]

unpopular opinion: it would be fine if horde got a new race and alliance got nothing. Alliance is the organized powerful faction, horde are the diverse rag-tag group of underdogs.

1. there is no balance reason the factions have to have the same number of possible races, lots of mmos have unbalanced factions and it's fine.
2. more potential races for horde will increase its population a little (still not completely catch up to alliance cause weeb races are always the most popular)

I think ogres for horde and blood elves for alliance

[Kefke]

I don't think that anybody needs to get Blood Elves. IMO, they work better as an unaligned antagonistic faction. If anything, I'd consider them to be the "Alliance equivalent" to the Blackrock Orcs.

[Karrados]

I never understood why they didn't add undead High Elves as the new Race for Horde.

From what I remember the High Elves of Quel'thalas were also raised and joined the Forsaken, they just never had a big ingame representation/appearance. Hell, We now have Dark Rangers / Forsaken High Elves to justify Undead Hunters.

Give us Forsaken/Undead High Elves.

[Whalemilk]

I don't think that anybody needs to get Blood Elves. IMO, they work better as an unaligned antagonistic faction. If anything, I'd consider them to be the "Alliance equivalent" to the Blackrock Orcs.

I think you can do both.

Take a look at my post about ogres and blood elves.

[Markuis]

I never understood why they didn't add undead High Elves as the new Race for Horde.

From what I remember the High Elves of Quel'thalas were also raised and joined the Forsaken, they just never had a big ingame representation/appearance. Hell, We now have Dark Rangers / Forsaken High Elves to justify Undead Hunters.

Give us Forsaken/Undead High Elves.

It makes sense to think there are undead orcs and trolls too.
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Skeletal_orc
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/wowpe ... 1102000755
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/wowpe ... 1230043424

[Mosch0512]

They could also introduce Skins in shop for Undead to look like undead orcs and what so ever.

[Bloodphobos]

No new class spell changes for new vanilla experiance, Poisoner assassin rogue? Shadow subtlelty rogue? Nah, very sad

[Beertaster]

Druid and Paladin tanks getting buffed/re-worked to be viable for 40 man MT would be great.
1. It would take a load off the pressure to gear so many warrior tanks with the same exact drops.
2. Draw more players to choose tanking. Meaning more dungeon groups, more socializing, more pugs.

I'd also like to see healers get something fun as well. Some love for priest, druid, and Shaman. Especially in the AoE heals department.

[Karrados]

Druid and Paladin tanks getting buffed/re-worked to be viable for 40 man MT would be great.
1. It would take a load off the pressure to gear so many warrior tanks with the same exact drops.
2. Draw more players to choose tanking. Meaning more dungeon groups, more socializing, more pugs.

I'd also like to see healers get something fun as well. Some love for priest, druid, and Shaman. Especially in the AoE heals department.

Druids, as Classic and SoM have shown, are more than capable of being MT for 40 man. It's up to the People to actually use them. The only way how they would not work on Turtle is if they buffed the bosses in all 40 man raids. The whole "Druids cannot be Main Tanks" is a remnant from the original Vanilla and then the Private Server scene. Classic and SoM has shown that Bears are capable of tanking all of Naxxramas aside from one boss, I think.

The biggest issue for Bears is/was that they didn't have too many upgrades for gear in the first Raid but seeing as Turtle is in T3 content that can be easily solved.

To 2: People are choosing to Tank but they toxicity which very much exists in Dungeon Groups towards new Tanks that are still learning the ropes turns them off from it and they re-roll to a DPS class or just change their specc to a DPS Specc.

Also Druid and Paladin tanks are already on-par if not even better than Warriors in some cases when it comes to Dungeons.

[Kefke]

It's hard to get people to break away from the way they learned to do things initially, especially when they've done it that way for a long time.

[Trymv1]

It's hard to get people to break away from the way they learned to do things initially, especially when they've done it that way for a long time.

This is exactly why that post just asked for Shaman buffs in the way of aoe healing....

Shamans.

The AOE healer.

[Skumbanana]

Reading some people's expectations for Turtle WoW scares me. Indeed, the retail-ization of WoW was truly driven by the community and its insatiable desire for bigger, shinier, and easier, not so much by corporation greed. I fear this will come to Turtle someday.
New races, new classes, new spells, new race/class combinations, new routes, make it bigger, easier, and make it fashionable to what I want! Everything that's unique about Turtle WoW will be lost to a homogenized and bland experience for all... And it will be our fault once again.

[Mac]

Adding stuff to vanilla is what this server is about. It’s vanilla plus.

[Syrathegreat]

I love having more race-class variety! I've already got my Human Hunter named and prepped - just working on her RP now!

Personally I'd love to have Undead Paladins and Dwarf Shamans, especially since everything is cross faction now. However I do appreciate how much more work this would be - there is zero quest integration so everything would have to be built from scratch, which is a ton of work just for a single class and likely a single race.

[Beertaster]

Also Druid and Paladin tanks are already on-par if not even better than Warriors in some cases when it comes to Dungeons.

Ya when the paladin is already over geared for the 5man. Before then its constant mana problems, stopping and drinking. Warriors greatly outpace a paladin before gear lets Paladin AoE overtake them.

Paladins can only do 20mans when they are already decked in the AQ40 gear raids reserve to keep progressing.

[Beertaster]

New dances might sell well on the store.

I know human female macarina is pretty boring.

[Rejectedgalaxy]

Hmmm PvP related changes on a major patch... Cross faction battlegrounds?

[Porkiller]

is server is dead now?

[Pett]

seems to be. my hardcore character was fighting and then poof. If I am dead when it comes back online I'm going to be pissed, lol.

[Porkiller]

im hc too, thank God I was resting

[Porkiller]

can anyone join the server? Or does everyone fail?

[Pett]

Discord says it should be up shortly. Here's hoping I'm still alive.

[Porkiller]

Discord says it should be up shortly. Here's hoping I'm still alive.

are you alive? ))

[Pett]

I am!! Lol. I rezzed next to a gnoll with full health and mana and was fine, lol.

[Cozy]

will shamans ever have racial totems??

[Condabas]

As long as Gilneas isn’t a port from retail, this sounds great!

[Totuga]

OMG Troll warlock!!!!!
You guys keep hitting perfection!

Congrats to all the lore-friendly players who will now have a new option!

*extreme hype*

[Remmo87]

Suggestion to make a saperate server for HC:
viewtopic.php?t=5473

State your opinions, friends.

[Ryo3000]

Any chance the debuff limits can be removed on this patch as well?

[Aykhanchik]

Suggestion to make a saperate server for HC:
viewtopic.php?t=5473

State your opinions, friends.

NO

[Feomatar]

Hope for rogue bugfixes and quality of life adjustments like s&d doesnt brake stealth, sap talent removing and make it as base ability doesnt brake stealth etc, every one class get something good but rogue, rogues get gamebreaking bugs and useless finisher.

[Roa7175]

Reading some people's expectations for Turtle WoW scares me. Indeed, the retail-ization of WoW was truly driven by the community and its insatiable desire for bigger, shinier, and easier, not so much by corporation greed. I fear this will come to Turtle someday.
New races, new classes, new spells, new race/class combinations, new routes, make it bigger, easier, and make it fashionable to what I want! Everything that's unique about Turtle WoW will be lost to a homogenized and bland experience for all... And it will be our fault once again.

Lol. If you don't have expectations, goals, etc., then it's just going to be a stale, dull, boring game. With no changes, no new exciting stuff, what else is there to look forward too?

ANY game has to have new contents in the making unless it's a once-and-done type of game...

[Roa7175]

Suggestion to make a saperate server for HC:
viewtopic.php?t=5473

State your opinions, friends.

You want to divide the playerbase and make the game feel empty for either modes...? Lol.

[Roa7175]

Hope the Hunter class for humans come out soon!