Turtle WoW Paladin Guide - 1.17.2

[Unchallenged]

This isn't designed to hit EVERY single nail on the head, but a simple guide for TWoW Paladins.
- If You Have Suggestions, Drop a Comment!

--== BASIC INFO ==--
Paladins are not the fastest leveling class early on, but can make up for it towards the end, and are very versatile being able to perform all 3 group roles.
https://database.turtle-wow.org/?spells=7.2#0+2+1
Spells not listed, Holy Strike R2(8), R3(16), R4(24), R5(32), R6 (40), R7 (48), R8 (56)

--== BEST RACE ==--
PvE Melee (Tank/Ret): Human
Sword/Mace Specialization: You must increase your hit chance and reduce dodge/block/glance.
Note: +3 weapons skill is equal to approximately 1% chance to hit
Perception now also grants 2% increased physical and spell critical strike chance for the duration.

PvE Caster: High Elf
Quel’dorei Meditation: Recovers 10% of mana activates after a 1.5-second cast Cooldown 3 minutes.
Note: As a Healer this is HUGE for dungeons/raids, with less downtime in general
Enchanting Specialization: +10 Enchanting is just another benefit to the race.

PvP: Dwarf
Stoneform : While active, grants immunity to Bleed, Poison, and Disease effects. In addition, Armor increased by 10%. Lasts 8 sec.

--== TURTLE WOW NOTABLE CHANGES ==--
Turtle WoW Paladins have (3) new abilities;

Holy Strike (Lv 4): Strike your target for X to Y Holy damage, restoring Z health and Z mana to you and your party.

Crusader Strike (Lv 8): A strike that causes X% weapon damage plus an additional Y and grants you a stack of Zeal. Zeal stacks up to 3 times. Lasts 30 sec.

Zeal increases your attack and casting speed by 3%.

Paladins should make use of (Equip adds X Damage to melee attacks) as these all trigger Judge of Wisdom (JoW). These can also CRIT based on spell crit and proc Vengeance. (List Below)

Hand of Reckoning: Taunts the target to attack you, causing a high threat.

Consecration: Baseline, Lv 20
Prot Talent Shield Specialization: Restore 2% Mana When Block Occurs 5 sec cd.
Divine Shield now reduces all damage dealt by 50% instead of reducing attack speed by 100%.
Ret Talent Seal of Command Not Unlocked Till Lv 30.

Blessing of Freedom, Blessing of Sacrifice and Blessing of Protection are now Hand of Freedom, Hand of Sacrifice and Hand of Protection. They do not remove active blessings, but are exclusive to each other (for example, the target can’t have Hand of Freedom and Hand of Sacrifice from one Paladin at the same time.)

All ranks of Blessing of Might, Blessing of Wisdom, Blessing of Kings, Blessing of Salvation, Blessing of Light and Blessing of Sanctuary now have a 10 minute duration.

All ranks of Greater Blessing of Might, Greater Blessing of Wisdom, Greater Blessing of Kings, Greater Blessing of Salvation, Greater Blessing of Light and Greater Blessing of Sanctuary now have a 30 minute duration.


Additional Changes Can Be Seen Here:
https://turtle-wow.org/#/paladin
viewtopic.php?p=102974#p102969

--== PALADIN RECOMMENDED SKILLS WHILE LEVELING ==--

Seal of Righteousness 3.4 or Faster
Seal of Command 3.5 of Slower (ONLY USE/TRAIN Rank 1 To Conserve Mana till 60, Same Weapon DMG)
Seal of Wisdom Lv 18/28/38
Seal of Light Lv 28
Seal of Justice (Skip)
Seal of the Crusader (Skip)

Judgment
Crusader Strike:
Holy Strike: Main Ability All Specs 100% Holy damage attack (Free) cost.
Divine Protection
Hammer of Justice
Purify
Lay on Hands
Holy Light
Flash of Light
Divine Shield
Cleanse
Hammer of Wrath
Summon Warhorse
Summon Charger
Consecration - Trained Baseline Lv 20
Blessing of Sanctuary - (If Your Prot)
Righteous Fury - (If Your Prot + Plan To Dungeon & Leveling in a group)
Redemption - (Skip - If Hardcore)
Divine Intervention - (Skip - If Hardcore)

Hand of Protection
Hand of Freedom
Blessing of Wisdom
Blessing of Might

Devotion Aura - (Lv 16 Swap To Retribution Aura)
Retribution Aura - Main Aura From 16+
Concentration Aura - Main Healing Aura 22+
SKIP Resist Auras - But Situational.

--== PALADIN ADDONS ==--

1. Swing Timer
https://github.com/EinBaum/SP_SwingTimer

2. No Error Sound Effects (No More "I'm not ready yet, and all that other noise").
https://github.com/mrrosh/NoErrorSounds

3. Turtle Version 1.17.2 PallyPower - an easy-to-use interface that allows you to set your blessings and automatically check for missing buffs.
https://github.com/madScripting/PallyPower-TurtleWoW

3. ETL - Exp Per hour/time til level addon
https://github.com/shirsig/ETL

4. Outfitter - is an equipment management addon that gives you fast access to multiple outfits.
https://github.com/CosminPOP/Outfitter

5. SuperMacro - provides a very much improved interface for macros
https://github.com/Monteo/SuperMacro

--== MACROS ==--

Example 1: Begins Auto Attack, cast CS
/script if (not PlayerFrame.inCombat) then AttackTarget() end
/cast Crusader Strike

Example 2: Begins Auto Attack, then checks for SoR, if no SoR casts SoR, else uses CS.
/script if (not PlayerFrame.inCombat) then AttackTarget() end
/script if buffed("Seal of Righteousness") then CastSpellByName("Crusader Strike") else if not buffed("Seal of Righteousness") then CastSpellByName("Seal of Righteousness") end end

Example 3: Begins Auto Attack, checks for SoR, if No SoR casts SoR, else judges JoR
/script if (not PlayerFrame.inCombat) then AttackTarget() end
/script if buffed("Seal of Righteousness") then CastSpellByName("Judgement") else if not buffed("Seal of Righteousness") then CastSpellByName("Seal of Righteousness") end end

Can edit above with different Seals etc.

--== BEST SPEC FOR LEVELING PALADIN ==--
The great thing about Vanilla Wow is the customized talent tree that allows players options, so while one spec may work for one, it won't work for another.

Protection Leveling Build - 0/31/20 (No Dungeons - More Armor, NO RF Threat, More Stuns, No Taunt)
https://talents.turtle-wow.org/paladin? ... AAAAAAA%3D
--> Stat Priorities: Int/Stam
10-14 5xRedoubt
15-19 3xPrecision, 2xToughness
20-24 1xBoS, 3xShield Special, 1xToughness
25-29 3xImp Hammer, 2xToughness
30-34 1xHoly Shield, 4xReckoning
35-39 1xReck, 4xRighteous Strikes
40-44 1xBulwark of the Righteous, 4xBenediction
45-49 1xBenediction, 4xDeflection
50-54 1xDeflection, 2xPursuit, 2xImp Ret Aura
55-60 1xKings, 3xVindication, 2xImp Judgement

Protection Leveling Build - 0/31/20 (Yes Dungeons - RF Threat/Reduction)
https://talents.turtle-wow.org/paladin? ... AAAAAAA%3D
--> Stat Priorities: Stam/Int
10-14 5-Redoubt
15-19 3-Precision, 2-Toughness
20-24 1-BoS, 3-Shield Special, 1-Imp RF
25-29 2-Imp RF, 3-Toughness
30-34 1-Holy Shield, 4-Reckoning
35-39 1-Reck, 4-Righteous Strikes
40-44 1-Bulwark of the Righteous, 4-Benediction
45-49 1xBenediction, 4xDeflection
50-54 1xDeflection, 2xPursuit, 2xImp Ret Aura
55-60 1xKings, (Below)...
(If Raid Tanking)
2xImproved Hand of Reck
3xRighteous Defense
or
2xImproved Judgement
3xVindication

Protection Notes:
Improved Hand of Reckoning is not required to tank dungeons before the endgame.
If need be can always BOP the target.

Retribution Leveling Build - 11/8/31
https://talent-builder.haaxor1689.dev/c ... 1205000100
--> Stat Priorities: Str/Stam/Agi
10-14 5xBenediction
15-19 5xDeflection
20-24 2xPursuit, 3xConviction
25-29 2xImp Ret Aura, 2xConviction, 1xKings
30-34 1-SoC, 3x2h Special, 1-Vengeance
35-39 5-Crusading Strikes
40-44 1-Rep, 4 Redoubt
45-49 1-Redoubt, 3-Precision, 1-Divine Strength
50-54 4-Divine Strength,1-Spiritual Focus
55-58 1-Spiritual Focus, 3-Holy Judgement
59-60 (4 Choices); You are left with Pt! Do as you wish...
1-Sanctity Aura
1-2-Imp Judgement
1-2-ILoH
1-3 Vengeance


--== End Game 60 Builds ==--
Holy Lv 60 Build: 31/7/13
https://talents.turtle-wow.org/paladin? ... AAAAAAA%3D

Prot Lv 60 Build: 11/40/0 - Threat Build
https://talents.turtle-wow.org/paladin? ... AAAAAAA%3D

Solo Self Heal Build: 25/21/0 + 5
https://talents.turtle-wow.org/paladin? ... AAAAAAA%3D
You are left with 5 Pt! Do as you wish...
Reckoning
Righteous Defense
Ironclad
Etc... Drop a COMMENT!

Ret Lv 60 Build: 11/8/30 +2
https://talents.turtle-wow.org/paladin? ... dIFABAA%3D
-- Guardian's Favor
-- Spiritual Focus
or (You have Hit Through Gear)
https://talents.turtle-wow.org/paladin? ... dIFABAA%3D


--== Basic Leveling Rotation ==--
Level 1-30 (Judging too often can speed kill time, but also eats more mana)
Use Seal of Righteousness (SoR)
Use Blessing of Might/Wisdom (as needed)
Use Max Rank Holy Strike (It's FREE Recovers Mana Cost + JoW)
Consecration 2+ Targets.
Finish off With Judge of Righteousness.
Reseal and go again

Level 20+ (Prot) Open World
Use Blessing of Sanctuary
Judging too often can speed kill time, but also eats more mana)
Use Max Rank Holy Strike (It's FREE Recovers Mana Cost + JoW)
Use Seal of Righteousness (SoR) or Seal of Wisdom/Light(SoW/L) in AoE 3+ Situations.
Auto Till Low
- If Redoubt Procs, Cast Holy Shield(HS) - (Blocks will Regen Cost of HS)
Finish off With Judge of Righteousness if using.
Reseal and go again

Level 30+ (Prot) Dungeon
Use Blessing of Sanctuary
Judging too often can speed kill time, but also eats more mana)
Use Max Rank Holy Strike (It's FREE Recovers Mana Cost + JoW)
-> Use Seal of Wisdom(SoW) 100%
Judge SoW, Reseal SoW
Drop Highest Rank Consecrate, followed by R1
If Redoubt Procs, Cast Holy Shield(HS) - (Blocks will Regen Cost of HS)
Auto Till Low
Reseal and go again
Bosses JoW, can use SoR for more threat, but high-rank consecrate+hs is generally enough.


Level 30+ (Ret)
Judging too often can speed kill time, but also eats more mana)
Use Blessing of Might/Wis
Use Seal of Command R1 (SoC)
Use Max Rank Holy Strike (It's FREE Recovers Mana Cost + JoW)
Auto Till Low
Can cast Judgement between Autos, finish off With Judge of Command (JoC)
Why?- R1 SoC is pretty inexpensive so judging for that extra dmg between autos is fine vs SoR.
Reseal and go again
A harder Target can be Stunned/Judged for more damage/burst.

--== ENCHANTS ==--

Helm/Leg
Holy: Lesser Arcanum of Rumination +150 Mana
Prot: Lesser Arcanum of Constitution +100 Health
Ret: Lesser Arcanum of Voracity +8 Strength

Other Options;
Arcanum of Protection 1% Dodge
Arcanum of Focus +8 Healing/Damage
Arcanum of Rapidity 1% Haste

ZG RELEASE:
Syncretist’s Sigil: 10 Stam / 7 Defense / +24 Healing

Shoulder
Holy: Zandalar Signet of Serenity +33 Healing
Prot: Zandalar Signet of Mojo +18 Damage/Healing
Ret: Zandalar Signet of Might +30 AP

Cloak
Holy: Enchant Cloak – Subtlety
Prot: Enchant Cloak – Superior Defense or Enchant Cloak – Dodge
Ret: Enchant Cloak – Subtlety

Chest
Holy: Enchant Chest – Major Mana + 100 Mana
Prot: Enchant Chest – Major Health + 100 Health, or Enchant Chest – Lesser Absorption
Ret: Enchant Chest – Greater Stats +4 Stats

Bracer
Holy: Enchant Bracer – Mana Regeneration, Enchant Bracer – Healing Power or Enchant Bracer – Greater Intellect
Prot: Enchant Bracer – Superior Stamina or Enchant Bracer – Deflection
Ret: Enchant Bracer – Superior Strength

Glove
Holy: Enchant Gloves – Healing Power +30 Healing
Prot: Enchant Gloves – Greater Strength, Enchant Gloves – Threat or Enchant Gloves – Superior Agility
Ret: Enchant Gloves – Greater Strength, Enchant Gloves – Superior Agility or Enchant Gloves – Minor Haste,

Boot
Holy: Enchant Boots – Greater Stamina or Enchant Boots – Spirit
Prot: Enchant Boots – Greater Stamina
Ret: Enchant Boots – Greater Agility
or Enchant Boots – Minor Speed

Weapon Enchants
Holy: Healing Power, Mighty Intellect
Prot: Weapon Chain, Strength, Spell Power, Fiery, Crusader, Lifestealing
Ret: 2H Weapon - Agility, Strength, Fiery, Crusader, Lifestealing

Holy: Brilliant Mana Oil, Lesser Mana Oil
Weapon Oils [Below If Not Windfury Present]
Prot: Brilliant Mana Oil, Lesser Mana Oil
Ret: (AP) Elemental Sharpening Stone [2%Crit], (SP) (Shadow Oil)

--== Bonus damage Items in Turtle WoW ==--
Paladins should make use of (Equip adds X Damage to melee attacks) as these all trigger Judge of Wisdom (JoW). These can also CRIT based off spell crit and proc Vengeance.

Repaired Electro-Lantern - https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=65030
Storm Gauntlets - https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=12632
Fiery Plate Gauntlets - https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=12631
Flameskin Gloves - https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=81267
Lavadrenched Chainmail - https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=80704
Incendosaur Skin Pauldrons - https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=60572
Incendosaur Skin Gloves - https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=60582
Incendosaur Skin Boots - https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=60568
Fiery Retributer - https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=19968
Crimson Spellblade - https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=81018
Blazefury Medallion - https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=17111
Leggings of Fiery Temper - https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=61505
Ring of Electrical Binding - https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=61332

--== PROFESSIONS ==--

3 Main Professions;

Engineering/Mining: Most things made by engineers are Eng Only.
+ Early On Range AoE Bombs
+ Early Goggles
+ Early On Dummy+Bop
+ Mid Game/End Game Trinkets
+ End Game Battle Pets
+ End Game Transportation/Gear.

Blacksmith/Mining - Not as useful SC with access to AH, but on HC very useful.
+ Sharpening Stones
+ Belt Buckles
+ Shield Spikes
+ Mithril Spurs
+ Leveling Armor;
Low Lv: Runed Copper
https://database.turtle-wow.org/?search=Runed+Copper
Mid-Lv: Green Iron
https://database.turtle-wow.org/?search=Green+Iron
43-45+: Steel Plate
https://database.turtle-wow.org/?search=steel+plate
+ End Game Armor/Weapons

Alchemy/Herbing - Highly Recommended on HC, BUT most items can be purchased from Alchs.
+ Access To Elixer/Pots early on
+ Stats for a short duration, but have to continue to apply.
+ Swift Pots are useful, if no Alchy, buy 5-10 Swift to last till 60.
+ Invis Potions
+ Limited Invulnerability
+ Petrification

[Unchallenged]

Reserved

[Ghola]

thats not what stoneform does

[Dietrommel]

Thanks for the Guide!

What specifically made you differentiate between Dungeon and non-Dungeon?
I am only lv. 15 right now and that might be a noob question :-D

[Deleigh]

what is a good rotation for low level, middle level, and high level?

[Wrathweaver]

Thanks for the Guide!

What specifically made you differentiate between Dungeon and non-Dungeon?
I am only lv. 15 right now and that might be a noob question :-D

This guide is a bit outdated.
The main change is judement of the crusader procs weapon and no longer debuffs to increase holy damage by a large amount.
Main issue for both dungeon and especially solo is mana and damage for holy (holy no longer very viable solo, its a pure healing spec now).
Crusader strike does some damage but will use most of your mana.
What you want to be looking for is a good proc weapons for leveling and then look for another proc weapon for the next levels.

For pvp and other instances, most paladins have different proc weapons for different bosses and situations.
Many have charge weapons that they rotate i think.

Turtle wow paladin is the only class that has the real private server ascension feel to them, all other classes are vanilla+ more or less.

Edit: note that some proc weapons might be changed into normal weapons because they are too powerful, look at AH and dont rely too much on database.

[Alexam89]

Thank a lot for the guide, is it a way to see the talent levelling order in the skill trees? For example in a build for prot paladin dungeon I do not understand where to put my points first, should I put 5 point into second row and go futher, or I should put all the points in the second row, and then proceed. I guess I have to put only 5 points, but what should I prioritize?

[Jotafran]

Yes pls, Can you update the guide and put the talent expediture in order for levelling?. Thanks.

[Bittermens]

This guide not only needs an update but also a DPS Guide now that spelladin is a thing.

[Galindae]

sorry guide is in russian byt i hope it will help (about spell retri paladin)

[Unchallenged]

Thanks for the Guide!

What specifically made you differentiate between Dungeon and non-Dungeon?
I added the lil notes under for reasoning;
- More Armor/Defense For Survival, No Imp Threat or Taunt.
vs
- More Hit For Tanking Threat With Imp Threat + Taunt.

I am only lv. 15 right now and that might be a noob question :-D

How was your living experience on Paladin?

[Unchallenged]

what is a good rotation for low level, middle level, and high level?

I Added in the rotation I had mostly used, when low/mid - high level it's very situational.

SoW/JoW is great if your running 10 Holy for the 100% chance to heal through and need lots of mana.

Otherwise SoL/JoL can maintain your health, while blocks from Prot regen your mana with enough mobs.

[Unchallenged]

Thank a lot for the guide, is it a way to see the talent levelling order in the skill trees? For example in a build for prot paladin dungeon I do not understand where to put my points first, should I put 5 point into second row and go futher, or I should put all the points in the second row, and then proceed. I guess I have to put only 5 points, but what should I prioritize?

Yes pls, Can you update the guide and put the talent expediture in order for levelling?. Thanks.

I Updated and added Talent Progression for Prot/Ret, let me know what you think.

[Vidac7]

What are the stat priorities for each build?

[Munra]

Blacksmith/Mining - Not as useful SC with access to AH, but on HC can be useful.

Nice guide, thanks you very much for this. Since english is not my strongest, I couldnt figured out what you mean by "SC", what does it stand for?

[Sylveria]

Blacksmith/Mining - Not as useful SC with access to AH, but on HC can be useful.

Nice guide, thanks you very much for this. Since english is not my strongest, I couldnt figured out what you mean by "SC", what does it stand for?

SC = Softcore (just a normal Character without Hardcore-Challenge), you may also say NHC (Non-Hardcore)

[Munra]

SC = Softcore (just a normal Character without Hardcore-Challenge), you may also say NHC (Non-Hardcore)

Thank you very much!!

[Manbearpig]

Awesome help for new Paladins!!

In your opinion, which leveling build would be the safer choice for hardcore players?

[Unchallenged]

Awesome help for new Paladins!!

In your opinion, which leveling build would be the safer choice for hardcore players?

Prot Paladins is the safer choice for HC Players.

20-30 is pretty straightforward you'll do just as much damage as a ret paladin, only will have a shield to block to regen mana per block, and can make your dungeon groups pretty quick.

you can still heal (collect int/stm gear) or fill a dps role.

The differences are pretty minimal.

[Hollem]

I don't understand why the *Only undead* stuff like exorcism isn't just removed to be baseline to all mobs. It just opens up more for that Pally without adding anything.

[Ltanailov]

45-49 1-Benediction, 4-Deflection
50-54 1-Deflection, 2-Pursuit, 2-Conviction
55-60 1-Conviction, 2-Imp Ret Aura, 2-Deflection

Total 7 points in Deflection, is that a mistake?

[Kaizod]

I found this [Smoldering Brand] while questing in Duskwood (Alliance):

https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=70047

adds 2-6 fire dmg. Would it be useful for a leveling pally?

[Bigsmerf]

I found this [Smoldering Brand] while questing in Duskwood (Alliance):

https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=70047

adds 2-6 fire dmg. Would it be useful for a leveling pally?

Unless you have nothing better, then it would be pretty good. Any weapon for a melee class that isn't feral druid while levelling should focus mainly on the weapon damage, speed, or total DPS. I wouldn't really be sure what to tell you in this case though.

[Atreidon]

I found this [Smoldering Brand] while questing in Duskwood (Alliance):

https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=70047

adds 2-6 fire dmg. Would it be useful for a leveling pally?

If the extra elemental damage is listed like it is on this item or thunderfury, it is added into the weaponswing and offers you no additional upside. The fireproc items that are sometimes mentioned for paladins are all listing it as green text like this:
https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=12631

Evaluate smoldering brand how you would also judge any generic melee weapon, because thats what it is.

[Unchallenged]

45-49 1-Benediction, 4-Deflection
50-54 1-Deflection, 2-Pursuit, 2-Conviction
55-60 1-Conviction, 2-Imp Ret Aura, 2-Deflection

Total 7 points in Deflection, is that a mistake?

Yah it was supposed to be "Conviction" to make 5/5.

I fixed/updated the text/links.

Thanks!

[HerTiSo]

I fixed/updated the text/links.

Thanks!

Thanks for your work; I'm digging the guide as a paladin newcomer!

[Gord44]

will this guide still be somewhat correct with the new patch? ie prot leveling still effective? thanks!

[HerTiSo]

will this guide still be somewhat correct with the new patch? ie prot leveling still effective? thanks!

Not really, unfortunately, as it relied on stacking holy debuffs on the enemy—which don't exist anymore. I'm probably going to write up a new guide myself soon.

[Steakhouse]

will this guide still be somewhat correct with the new patch? ie prot leveling still effective? thanks!

Aoe prot leveling/grinding is alive and well and zeal makes it all the better. Im leveling as holy/ret til 30, and respeccing as soon as I can get Holy Shield.

[Fetza]

First of all thank you for the guide Unchallenged! I appreciate it so much. I realized soon the talent tree is changed and this guide is probably built on a previous patch system. Do you plan to update the guide? I would love a refreshed leveling and end game retribution talent build If it is possible.

[Kriegwraith]

Awesome guide, helped me so far.
Will it be updated with new talents by any chance?

[Unchallenged]

Updated for 1.17.2 (Drop Comments If Any Suggestions)