Make T3 gear pieces tradeable for alt pieces

[Biteyou]

Hello,

I noticed a very interesting edit they made to the Alternative Tier sets post, which has pretty significant implications for a lot of players. Please see the attached pictures below:

Updated post regarding the swappable pieces



Previous unedited post (5/21/24)



Now, I get it, things are subject to change. When it comes to most things, I understand. However, this has significant implications for a lot of players. People have spent their time and gold getting these tier pieces in anticipation for being able to trade them in under the pretense that they will be able to trade them in. For some classes like rogues and warriors, it's pretty easy to get extra tier pieces. However, there are other classes that require significant amount of time and gold to get their respective pieces (Shamans come to mind).

I'm not personally effected by this, but many players will be. There is no logical reason to make this change other than to punish people for preparing for the upcoming patch, which you provided incomplete or false information on.

You need to fix this.

[Yggd]

Absolutely mind blowingly wild move.
Oh. God.

[Atreidon]

Having the alt set be exchangeable from tokens is a good thing, it is consistent with the behavior of the current sets.

But it has been stated before that you have to trade in the finished set, explicitly not the token.

So it would be fair to allow players until the patch drops to exchange their gear back into tokens & scraps. As its anti player to announce you need the finished piece and then rugpull like this

[Biteyou]

Having the alt set be exchangeable from tokens is a good thing, it is consistent with the behavior of the current sets.

But it has been stated before that you have to trade in the finished set, explicitly not the token.

So it would be fair to allow players until the patch drops to exchange their gear back into tokens & scraps. As its anti player to announce you need the finished piece and then rugpull like this

I think it's not a bad idea to give people incentive to continue doing Naxx. I think older raids staying relevant is a good idea, as this is in the vanilla spirit. However, you can't leave a post up for a year saying you'll be able to swap out your existing T3 pieces, then pull the rug out from people right before the patch releases without any official notice of it way ahead of time. Several people have used their tokens and got screwed over. Personally I did not use my tokens for this exact reason, but there needs to be a grace period or something for people to trade their existing pieces, even if it's 1-2 weeks.

[GR3ddy]

It makes no sense to limit the exchange of t3 only to tokens. They stated a year ago that any tier pieces will be exchangeable and recently they modified it. In a recent interview one of the devs even said that all the tier pieces will be able to be exchanged for the new sets.

Lots of us have turned in the tokens that took us months to collect in order to fill in some OS roles in the meantime and now it looks like we would have to spend months and months again.

For what? Just make 2 NPCs, one that lets you turn in tokens and the other that lets you exchange existing gear. Simple.

Don't make this mistake please.

[Grizb37]

Honestly, I Kinda foresaw this coming, that's why I didn't turn my tokens in for the original T3 in the game atm

[Atreidon]

I did the same, but i cant blame anyone for already getting the pieces and using them.

I think its smart to just add the alternate set options as possible rewards for the same quest, but they really should add a temporary npc that allows you to trade them back for the mats. At least until the patch dropps

[Dezhan]

Agree im so sad over this.

[Thejakemf]

Glad someone else had/found a screenshot of the original post; I talked about this with Lhian in the #Paladin channel of Turtle WoW discord and couldn't find it.

I agree that at the very least they should allow anyone who has turned in T2.5/T3 tokens since their announcement to refund them for Tokens & Scraps, but ideally we could just exchange it ourself like the Tier 1/2 gear.

[Biteyou]

Glad someone else had/found a screenshot of the original post; I talked about this with Lhian in the #Paladin channel of Turtle WoW discord and couldn't find it.

I agree that at the very least they should allow anyone who has turned in T2.5/T3 tokens since their announcement to refund them for Tokens & Scraps, but ideally we could just exchange it ourself like the Tier 1/2 gear.

Even at minimum, offering a limited time period for trading them in would be great.

Some ideas:

1. Make the already crafted pieces (legacy) exchangeable, but not vice versa. In addition, make existing tier tokens NOT be able to be used for the new sets and entirely rely on a new alt token. This way, hoarded tokens cannot be relied on, but you could still get your old pieces in addition to new pieces.

2. Make the existing crafted pieces exchangeable, at minimum for a period of time after the new patch (2 weeks for example) given that they had intentions of making the pieces exchangeable until the recent change.

3. Completely forgo any exchangeable pieces, and make the alt token the default token for getting new pieces, period. This way, people have to run naxx to get the new pieces period after the patch. Not the biggest fan of this idea, but atleast it would put most everyone on an equal playing field. It would incentivize people to continue running Naxx (which they should anyway because naxx will still have BiS gear. The guilds that are already full BiS would have to run it still as well). Atleast at this point, everyone will have an equal chance in getting the new gear. Would suck for progressing guilds since they are in the gearing phase still but they could plan according.

[Bahamutxd]

Glad someone else had/found a screenshot of the original post; I talked about this with Lhian in the #Paladin channel of Turtle WoW discord and couldn't find it.

I agree that at the very least they should allow anyone who has turned in T2.5/T3 tokens since their announcement to refund them for Tokens & Scraps, but ideally we could just exchange it ourself like the Tier 1/2 gear.

Even at minimum, offering a limited time period for trading them in would be great.

Some ideas:

1. Make the already crafted pieces (legacy) exchangeable, but not vice versa. In addition, make existing tier tokens NOT be able to be used for the new sets and entirely rely on a new alt token. This way, hoarded tokens cannot be relied on, but you could still get your old pieces in addition to new pieces.

2. Make the existing crafted pieces exchangeable, at minimum for a period of time after the new patch (2 weeks for example) given that they had intentions of making the pieces exchangeable until the recent change.

3. Completely forgo any exchangeable pieces, and make the alt token the default token for getting new pieces, period. This way, people have to run naxx to get the new pieces period after the patch. Not the biggest fan of this idea, but atleast it would put most everyone on an equal playing field. It would incentivize people to continue running Naxx (which they should anyway because naxx will still have BiS gear. The guilds that are already full BiS would have to run it still as well). Atleast at this point, everyone will have an equal chance in getting the new gear. Would suck for progressing guilds since they are in the gearing phase still but they could plan according.

This would be the most logical solution. The same way T0.5 ask for the previous piece to get the new one (or just any quest asking for X item to get a reward) - legacy sets should be able to be exchanged into alternative sets like they initially announced.

[Blackduck3]

Thank you for the change. My guild was worried a bunch of shamans or whatever would exchange their t3 for shaman tank gear or something equally stupid and our healing would suffer for a month or so. Don't have to worry about that anymore.

[Atreidon]

Thank you for the change. My guild was worried a bunch of shamans or whatever would exchange their t3 for shaman tank gear or something equally stupid and our healing would suffer for a month or so. Don't have to worry about that anymore.

You guys sound like a lovely guild for shamans druids & paladins...

[GR3ddy]

The more I think about it the more frustrated I get.

I essentially did the whole t3 progression already and I was happy to be prepared for the new patch.
If I actually have to redo the t3 progression not only will the whole patch have a bad taste in my mouth cause I wont be able to enjoy the grind I have done to prepare for it, but also it will also delay considerable my guild's progression for Kara 40 cause now a lot of us have to compete with the new people for t3 again and in most loot system that means you will have less access to new t3.5 for the time being because you are taking away t3 gear and loot needs to be spread out in a balanced way.

I am really getting anxious about it and losing the desire to play if this actually plays out like this, because it was never explained why it was changed nor was it properly announced beforehand. It will just be a big break of trust.

[Urimeli]

Atleast make it a limited time trade in, so many people have spent theire tokens thinking they would be swappable

[Reploidrocsa]

What's wrong with all the commotion? If you turned in your t3 tokens that means they're good. Use them.

You still have time to get more t3 tokens. Since the alt sets were announced i had time to get a full set of tokens... Twice

[Dezhan]

What's wrong with all the commotion? If you turned in your t3 tokens that means they're good. Use them.

You still have time to get more t3 tokens. Since the alt sets were announced i had time to get a full set of tokens... Twice

Dont you think its abit selfish to write that?

Dont think anybody would care if they never got mislead to believe they would be able to trade them in. I for one would never had traded my tokens in. And still time, yeah but not everyone have had naxx on farm for 3 years.

[Biteyou]

What's wrong with all the commotion? If you turned in your t3 tokens that means they're good. Use them.

You still have time to get more t3 tokens. Since the alt sets were announced i had time to get a full set of tokens... Twice

Some tokens are highly contested, Shaman comes to mind. The point is that they redacted their original plan without any significant notice.

Like I said, I have no skin in this game, I saved my tokens because I knew they'd pull something like this, but it's not fair to pull the rug out from people when they were under the assumption that you would be able to turn your crafted pieces in. There's clearly a motive behind changing this, and some explanation would be nice from the developers.

[GR3ddy]

What's wrong with all the commotion? If you turned in your t3 tokens that means they're good. Use them.

You still have time to get more t3 tokens. Since the alt sets were announced i had time to get a full set of tokens... Twice

What is hard for you to understand? They changed the original announcement recently while the people have turned in their tokens for gear not because it is good but because they were told it is gonna work differently.
Why would I keep tokens in my bag and wait for the prices of Arcanite bars to blow up when I can prepare beforehand.

The Shaman/Paladin/Druid/Hunter token group is insanely competitive. You have new sets for Feral, Balance, Enhance, Elemental, Retribution, Protection and now with the patch changes Resto shaman will need it more than ever because before they were wearing 5 set t2.5 and 3 set t2.

Not to mention that you can have runs where you dont even get a single t3 head or chest token for that group.

So yeah, it is gonna be terrible if they actually decide to go with it and not change it.

[Reploidrocsa]

What's wrong with all the commotion? If you turned in your t3 tokens that means they're good. Use them.

You still have time to get more t3 tokens. Since the alt sets were announced i had time to get a full set of tokens... Twice

What is hard for you to understand? They changed the original announcement recently while the people have turned in their tokens for gear not because it is good but because they were told it is gonna work differently.
Why would I keep tokens in my bag and wait for the prices of Arcanite bars to blow up when I can prepare beforehand.

The Shaman/Paladin/Druid/Hunter token group is insanely competitive. You have new sets for Feral, Balance, Enhance, Elemental, Retribution, Protection and now with the patch changes Resto shaman will need it more than ever because before they were wearing 5 set t2.5 and 3 set t2.

Not to mention that you can have runs where you dont even get a single t3 head or chest token for that group.

So yeah, it is gonna be terrible if they actually decide to go with it and not change it.

What is hard for me to understand is, if you turn in the tokens it means the item you recieve is good. If not you keep the token in case it'll be useful in the future. It doesn't become useless if you turn a token into a piece of gear, right?

Maybe warrior tokens are competitive, but the rest? I've got plenty of time (as many other guildies) to get full sers of tokens.

Plus, you can still get new tokens, it's not like naxx is shutting down. On the contrary, you get more and more info the more days the alt sets are out for people to theorycraft

[Atreidon]

The warrior token does not matter. Its literally rotting on the bosses in some Guilds.
Rogue will not get an alt set and warrior dps has plenty of good other gearchoices from offset pieces.

The paladin shaman druid hunter token is the problem here.

Plenty of those classes got their t3 healer gear based on the assumption they can exchange it later, so they can be more useful for their guilds in the meantime.

It took me 9 months to finally get my t3 chest. And while i was smart enough not to trade it in yet, i get stomache cramps thinking about doing that again and definitely can understand people rather quitting than doing it again

You may want your hybrids to go grind naxx for another year for their tierset, i for one do not wish such a fate on them. Doubly so because the token will be more contested with spiked interest in those classes.

[Hdliebtwo]

Let's give credit where credit is due. Thank you Turtle Team for giving us an NPC like some players suggested, that can give us the spec gear of our choosing, even if we already exchanged the tokens for another spec. I applaud you!

[Psynic]

Ye the notes were very mean. I read them and was happy that i can try my 4 t3 setpieces in heal, before i exchange them to shadowset.

Now i totally wasted 4 t3 tokens of my raid because of this lie in the patchnotes.

Change that please as you said earlier!!