Make WorldPvP great again

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Re: Make WorldPvP great again

Post by Noshu » Wed May 08, 2024 12:25 pm

Neltharion wrote:
Mon May 06, 2024 2:32 pm
This kind of update should be Tel'abim only
Nordanaar can keep its funserver gylphs/challenges.
I don't see why it cant be on both servers? If its an entirely new zone which is for pure pvp, it wont change the game in any major way. It will just give those who like to pvp more content.

I'd have played on tel'abim if it had people on it, but unfortunately it doesnt, so our best bet for some pvp is nordanaar (at least on turtle wow)

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Re: Make WorldPvP great again

Post by Werefox » Thu May 09, 2024 1:45 pm

So... new non-instance zone that hands out hefty rewards. Who do you think should control it - the existing world boss mafia or some triads maybe?

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Re: Make WorldPvP great again

Post by Neltharion » Sat May 11, 2024 7:59 am

Noshu wrote:
Wed May 08, 2024 12:25 pm
Neltharion wrote:
Mon May 06, 2024 2:32 pm
This kind of update should be Tel'abim only
Nordanaar can keep its funserver gylphs/challenges.
I don't see why it cant be on both servers? If its an entirely new zone which is for pure pvp, it wont change the game in any major way. It will just give those who like to pvp more content.

I'd have played on tel'abim if it had people on it, but unfortunately it doesnt, so our best bet for some pvp is nordanaar (at least on turtle wow)
Because there have to be reasons to hop in Tel'abim instead of Nordanaar: simply, you want PvE/RP content? go Nordanaar; you want a better PvP experience with WPvP content? go Tel'abim. Also I don't see how wpvp on nordanaar could work properly, War Mode simply doesn't work in my opinion.
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Re: Make WorldPvP great again

Post by Noshu » Tue May 14, 2024 10:45 am

Neltharion wrote:
Sat May 11, 2024 7:59 am
Noshu wrote:
Wed May 08, 2024 12:25 pm
Neltharion wrote:
Mon May 06, 2024 2:32 pm
This kind of update should be Tel'abim only
Nordanaar can keep its funserver gylphs/challenges.
I don't see why it cant be on both servers? If its an entirely new zone which is for pure pvp, it wont change the game in any major way. It will just give those who like to pvp more content.

I'd have played on tel'abim if it had people on it, but unfortunately it doesnt, so our best bet for some pvp is nordanaar (at least on turtle wow)
Because there have to be reasons to hop in Tel'abim instead of Nordanaar: simply, you want PvE/RP content? go Nordanaar; you want a better PvP experience with WPvP content? go Tel'abim. Also I don't see how wpvp on nordanaar could work properly, War Mode simply doesn't work in my opinion.
Whenever any1 sees that Tel'abim has 200 players online, no matter how good the server is, nobody will play there. Tel'abim is doomed, you can't pvp if there is no1 to pvp with

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Re: Make WorldPvP great again

Post by Xudo » Tue May 14, 2024 11:08 am

Noshu wrote:
Tue May 14, 2024 10:45 am
Whenever any1 sees that Tel'abim has 200 players online, no matter how good the server is, nobody will play there. Tel'abim is doomed, you can't pvp if there is no1 to pvp with
People are not big fans of PvP even on Nordnaar. There are other reasons, why server has low pop.
If turtle devs do something with those reasons, population will grow.
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Re: Make WorldPvP great again

Post by Noshu » Thu May 16, 2024 5:59 am

Xudo wrote:
Tue May 14, 2024 11:08 am
Noshu wrote:
Tue May 14, 2024 10:45 am
Whenever any1 sees that Tel'abim has 200 players online, no matter how good the server is, nobody will play there. Tel'abim is doomed, you can't pvp if there is no1 to pvp with
People are not big fans of PvP even on Nordnaar. There are other reasons, why server has low pop.
If turtle devs do something with those reasons, population will grow.
There are more pople on nordanaar doing pvp than the entire population of tel'abim though, so I don't see why the pvpers on nordanaar can't be shown some love as well. I have nothing against improving tel'abim as well. They should do these changes for both servers, its just more content that im sure a lot of people would like.

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Re: Make WorldPvP great again

Post by Majestik51 » Thu May 16, 2024 8:15 am

the people who pvp in nordnaar are like the training dummys, no challenge.
i can give u 1 million possible changes for the pvp server that will make it grow, but its a waste of time explaining something that it will never be considered seriously.

the devs generally dont like to stress about pvp aspects of the game.
the only suggestion the devs like to see in forums are: ''pls add barbie dress for transmog'' or ''pls add bigger boobs in troll race'' turtle_tongue_head turtle_tongue_head
i was waiting 1 year for Tel'abim server optimization, and u still got ppl who are not flagged in the world. simply BS.....
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Re: Make WorldPvP great again

Post by Noshu » Mon May 20, 2024 8:58 am

Majestik51 wrote:
Thu May 16, 2024 8:15 am
the people who pvp in nordnaar are like the training dummys, no challenge.
i can give u 1 million possible changes for the pvp server that will make it grow, but its a waste of time explaining something that it will never be considered seriously.

the devs generally dont like to stress about pvp aspects of the game.
the only suggestion the devs like to see in forums are: ''pls add barbie dress for transmog'' or ''pls add bigger boobs in troll race'' turtle_tongue_head turtle_tongue_head
i was waiting 1 year for Tel'abim server optimization, and u still got ppl who are not flagged in the world. simply BS.....
I rather fight vs training dummys than air though :P

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Re: Make WorldPvP great again

Post by Myrcusq » Wed May 22, 2024 12:37 am

I definetelly love it. As somebody who rolled a rogue especially for ganging up on people from the shadows i find this almost non existent unfortunatelly as of now...

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Re: Make WorldPvP great again

Post by Noshu » Fri May 24, 2024 9:44 am

Myrcusq wrote:
Wed May 22, 2024 12:37 am
I definetelly love it. As somebody who rolled a rogue especially for ganging up on people from the shadows i find this almost non existent unfortunatelly as of now...
yea, it wouldn't hurt. It'd be something extra to do between bgs or whatever you do in-game :)

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Re: Make WorldPvP great again

Post by Bigsmerf » Fri May 24, 2024 4:43 pm

I've come to present the truth. Something absolutely mind shattering.





World PvP was never great.
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Re: Make WorldPvP great again

Post by Allwynd01 » Sat May 25, 2024 5:05 pm

Bigsmerf wrote:
Fri May 24, 2024 4:43 pm
I've come to present the truth. Something absolutely mind shattering.





World PvP was never great.
Not only that, the way WPvP was made in the game almost feels like a mistake. It was cool and funny at first in 2004 when the game was new, but after that people realized it's just a bother.

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Re: Make WorldPvP great again

Post by Daedalus007 » Sat May 25, 2024 6:32 pm

World PvP is 'dead' because the OP and others like the OP don't have enough hapless grey-level lowbies to gank.

The grey-level lowbies play happily on a PvE server where they don't need to be ganked when they just want to level.

Instead of playing on a PvP server (Tel'Abim) where they'd actually meet others who want to do 'World PvP', the OP cowers away in fear and self-loathing as they realize they've just publicly called themselves out as such in front of the entire server.

OP and others like the OP don't want World PvP; they want to engage in one-sided ganking. They want to kill with impunity anyone who is grey level or otherwise without consequences.

To OP and those like the OP I say there is a server for you and it is Tel'Abim. Enjoy it and play there together because the rest of the population isn't into that nonsense. It has gotten to the point where people like this spam world chat with these complaints when people are vibing to the radio and chatting about lore instead.

There is no 'World PvP' in World of Warcraft. It has always been about one-sided ganking by cowards who run away when actual PvPers show up. Has always been this way since BGs were introduced to actually reward those who want to PvP. There's not much point to World PvP and even when Blizzard tried open world objectives to 'encourage' it the system ended up being ignored because the (PvE) rewards for doing so weren't worth the hassle.

PvPers are welcome to try to 'World PvP' when World Bosses show up. Plenty of people there to try to attack, but they won't bother because they would rather gank lowbies like the cowards they are. There are dozens of games where people on both sides understand what they're getting into and mutually accept the terms of PvP (FPS games, TPS games, MOBAs, etc) and if 'World PvPers' would rather play none of those then there's no need to twist a PvE server/game to suit their needs.

I would like to see the 'War Mode' challenge give a bonus to Honor Gains (PvP) instead of a bonus to EXP (PvE) to encourage those who actually enjoy PvP to use the system.

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Re: Make WorldPvP great again

Post by Noshu » Mon May 27, 2024 7:40 am

Daedalus007 wrote:
Sat May 25, 2024 6:32 pm
World PvP is 'dead' because the OP and others like the OP don't have enough hapless grey-level lowbies to gank.

The grey-level lowbies play happily on a PvE server where they don't need to be ganked when they just want to level.

Instead of playing on a PvP server (Tel'Abim) where they'd actually meet others who want to do 'World PvP', the OP cowers away in fear and self-loathing as they realize they've just publicly called themselves out as such in front of the entire server.

OP and others like the OP don't want World PvP; they want to engage in one-sided ganking. They want to kill with impunity anyone who is grey level or otherwise without consequences.

To OP and those like the OP I say there is a server for you and it is Tel'Abim. Enjoy it and play there together because the rest of the population isn't into that nonsense. It has gotten to the point where people like this spam world chat with these complaints when people are vibing to the radio and chatting about lore instead.

There is no 'World PvP' in World of Warcraft. It has always been about one-sided ganking by cowards who run away when actual PvPers show up. Has always been this way since BGs were introduced to actually reward those who want to PvP. There's not much point to World PvP and even when Blizzard tried open world objectives to 'encourage' it the system ended up being ignored because the (PvE) rewards for doing so weren't worth the hassle.

PvPers are welcome to try to 'World PvP' when World Bosses show up. Plenty of people there to try to attack, but they won't bother because they would rather gank lowbies like the cowards they are. There are dozens of games where people on both sides understand what they're getting into and mutually accept the terms of PvP (FPS games, TPS games, MOBAs, etc) and if 'World PvPers' would rather play none of those then there's no need to twist a PvE server/game to suit their needs.

I would like to see the 'War Mode' challenge give a bonus to Honor Gains (PvP) instead of a bonus to EXP (PvE) to encourage those who actually enjoy PvP to use the system.
Im sorry that you don't like the suggestion, but that was a lot of assumptions regarding some1 that is just suggesting 1 zone where you're always pvp flagged for end-game players. I don't want to gank lowbies, I just want 1 single zone, where you don't have to visit unless you want to world pvp. All other zones except this one will not be pvp flagged, so don't worry.

But sure, this OP is probably the most toxic player in the world who just wants to ruin other's gameplay.

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Re: Make WorldPvP great again

Post by Daedalus007 » Sat Jun 01, 2024 5:52 am

Noshu wrote:
Mon May 27, 2024 7:40 am
Im sorry that you don't like the suggestion, but that was a lot of assumptions regarding some1 that is just suggesting 1 zone where you're always pvp flagged for end-game players. I don't want to gank lowbies, I just want 1 single zone, where you don't have to visit unless you want to world pvp. All other zones except this one will not be pvp flagged, so don't worry.
But sure, this OP is probably the most toxic player in the world who just wants to ruin other's gameplay.
What you described already exists in another game. Go play that one instead of trying to twist this server to suit your needs. This server is RP and PvE focused. Tel'Abim is a joke. There's plenty of other servers that run on a PvP ruleset and the one server that doesn't do this shouldn't be forced to accommodate those who don't understand how to move on.

Entire genres of PvP-focused games exist and there are PvP-focused games where you can run around in groups and gank with impunity while taking their dropped gear. Have fun with it.

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Re: Make WorldPvP great again

Post by Noshu » Mon Jun 03, 2024 11:05 am

Revive world pvp on nordanaar

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Re: Make WorldPvP great again

Post by Xudo » Mon Jun 03, 2024 11:14 am

Noshu wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2024 11:05 am
Revive world pvp on nordanaar
good joke
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Re: Make WorldPvP great again

Post by Foobs » Tue Jun 04, 2024 4:16 am

Entire genres of PvP-focused games exist and there are PvP-focused games where you can run around in groups and gank with impunity while taking their dropped gear. Have fun with it.
This exactly!!!
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Re: Make WorldPvP great again

Post by Daedalus007 » Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:00 pm

Daedalus007 wrote:
Sat May 25, 2024 6:32 pm
*snip*
Noshu wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2024 11:05 am
*snip*
Every single thing I said in my previous post quoted above has been proven absolutely true and then some.
Yesterday (June 6th) I was questing on a lowbie alt in Lakeshire area. Most players there around level 15-19; I happened to be 19 and finishing up most of the major quests in the area. On my way to turn-in at Lakeshire I see a Troll Level 19 priest (twinked out the nose) with near-bis Level 19 twink gear. I didn't know it at the time, but I just saw them sitting on a rock and taking potshots at passing lowbies who happened to be war-mode flagged.

"You deserve it because war mode" but the exp buff is why they do it. If it gave ONLY an honor gains buff it would only be used by PvPers instead of PvErs who wanna level slightly faster.

So I see them just pew pewing and trying to gank lowbies as they are just minding their own business. I stand right next to them as they run up into melee range into other lowbies (kinda stupid mistake) and then I flag and go on em but Pally vs Priest is not a good fight; at Level 19 a paladin basically tickles even with all the supposed buffs to Paladins. I'm bubble healing and determining how I'm gonna get my mana back while they're at about half health about to restore their full health with a heal when another Paladin that I'd saved from a gank (level 16) came back and stunned em just in time to interrupt the heal.

Health restored, I wailed on them alongside the other paladin and together after about 5+ mins we finally overpowered the Priest. After that the Priest just nope'd out and left. They didn't want 'World PvP' they wanted one-sided ganking like the worthless trash COWARD they are. The only reason we both survived the fight is because Paladins are durable and because of my Engineering consumables I used at opportune times to interrupt them and keep them in combat alongside mana potions to keep from going oom. The entire experience was not 'fun' or 'interesting'; I only engaged because I hate cowardly gankers. It was a burn of my already-limited precious resources. It made questing and leveling that much more difficult because I burned all those resources for less than 20 honor. That sounds fun to people? Fine ok do it on another server.

All those who want supposed 'World PvP' tend to lean overwhelmingly in the 'ganker' status of wanting to kill with impunity until someone higher level or a group shows up then they nope out and run. Literally what I posted here earlier just happened near Lakeshire and it proves my point time and time again. World PvP in WoW is a joke; play another game if you want that type of experience. WoW already has BGs and Arenas and that will have to suffice for now. Other servers have World PvP enabled or there's Tel'Abim for those who want it within the Turtle WoW ecosystem.

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Re: Make WorldPvP great again

Post by Werefox » Fri Jun 07, 2024 9:07 pm

Daedalus007 wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:00 pm
On my way to turn-in at Lakeshire I see a Troll Level 19 priest (twinked out the nose) with near-bis Level 19 twink gear.
Oh, I remember that one. I do not have WM so he tried some RP dialogue on me. I guess to convince me to fight him like a real man or something (mine was fresh level 12 huntard in absolute random crap).

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Re: Make WorldPvP great again

Post by Daedalus007 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 6:37 pm

Werefox wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 9:07 pm
*snip*
I did see them doing some goofy RP claiming 'this is troll land' or something.
However, RP or not, them being a level 19 twink in near-bis pvp-focused fully-enchanted gear ganking lowbies is still a really trash thing to do. They wanna RP they can do it in a way that doesn't try to justify shameless honorless cowardly ganking.

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