Holy and Prot in PvP

[Anythinggoes]

The first class I ever played in WoW was a paladin because I liked the lore. It was long after that, after I played classes like a mage, that made me realize how boring and repetitive paladins really are. They lacked the tools to do even basic stuff, unlike some other classes whose design was to be envied.

Ret in vanilla was auto attack casino class that could do no dmg in PvE.
Prot was a tank spec that could not tank.
Holy spammed 2 heals + Holy Shock for an entire raid and did pretty much the same in PvP.

There was one paladin I really liked back then, though - Zalgradis. Unlike the rest of the samey PvP videos where the ret got some lucky crits on unsuspecting targets, Zalgradis played prot and he made some pretty enjoyable footage.

The game has evolved for 20 years. Players have gotten better. What worked before can easily be shut down now. My question is, with the changes done to paladins in Turtle, can some form of prot/holy hybrid work in PvP? I don't care about ret at all, I am only interested in the kind of playstyle where you can outlast your opponent. This is how I believe this class should be played, instead of lolret>dead.

[Zahnfee]

Paladin is pretty busted in pvp here dont you worry

[Hyrag]

paladin is the only busted thing in alliance.


(and HE models)

[Kobiq]

I like that idea. Make prot actual support spec with stuns, better auras, some light heals etc.

[Manletow]

Holy/Ret are of course broken in PVP
Why bother fighting/outlasting someone over 5 mins when you can just kill them in 3 seconds with broken abilities like 3.8k Holy Strikes...?

This is why no one plays Prot in PVP.

Also Prot has weaksauce damage so everyone (with any brains whatsoever) will just ignore you...
unless you start healing people...
and then you might as well be Holy.

P.S. Holy/Ret not only do insane burst but still have Plate armor, Immunity Shields, Cleanse, etc so they are not even close to being "squishy/easily killed".

[Grizb37]

I must admit in AB there was this prot Pala who just wouldn't go down, to me and a rogue, kept Stables well defended, then a caster showed up and just deleted him....

[Schlaechter]

Prot needs silence ASAP!

[Metavahn]

Holy/Ret are of course broken in PVP
Why bother fighting/outlasting someone over 5 mins when you can just kill them in 3 seconds with broken abilities like 3.8k Holy Strikes...?

This is why no one plays Prot in PVP.

Also Prot has weaksauce damage so everyone (with any brains whatsoever) will just ignore you...
unless you start healing people...
and then you might as well be Holy.

P.S. Holy/Ret not only do insane burst but still have Plate armor, Immunity Shields, Cleanse, etc so they are not even close to being "squishy/easily killed".

Because designing a class to be only viable once every 5 minutes was stupid, these devs get it, and mages can do the same damage from range and with a plethora of CC and survivability so maybe complain about them

[Geojak]

Prot pvp doesn't work
Reckoning doesn't seem to work properly, resets stacks inexoedectly, doesn't trigger when you think it should.
You can't tank caster crtis in gear post bwl to gain reck stacks. Phase 1-2 maybe

The idea is heal yourself then reck bomb. Nobody excpext hunters or other Palas will let you heal, kick, silence, fear

You can stomp a rogue or warrior or druid with that build, but any other speccs works too for these and performs far better against the actually op casters

[Geojak]

Holy/Ret are of course broken in PVP
Why bother fighting/outlasting someone over 5 mins when you can just kill them in 3 seconds with broken abilities like 3.8k Holy Strikes...?

This is why no one plays Prot in PVP.

Also Prot has weaksauce damage so everyone (with any brains whatsoever) will just ignore you...
unless you start healing people...
and then you might as well be Holy.

P.S. Holy/Ret not only do insane burst but still have Plate armor, Immunity Shields, Cleanse, etc so they are not even close to being "squishy/easily killed".

Because designing a class to be only viable once every 5 minutes was stupid, these devs get it, and mages can do the same damage from range and with a plethora of CC and survivability so maybe complain about them

This, but horde won't stop until palas are back to meme

[Calli]

Prot pals in pvp need something like: If you are closer than 30 yard to a prot paladin you get silenced

[Frantsel]

Paladin is most stupid OP class on twow, so enjoy the pvp while it lasts. Changes are on the way.

Also there might be problems finding players that also wanna do pvp bc the balance is so fucked. So pvp on both servers is pretty much dead.

And yes it is because of the pala/druidbalance.

People are just farming naxx. Thats basically it.