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Alternative Tier Sets

Post by Dragunovi » Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:51 pm

Greetings! Today we're happy to announce that alternative class armor sets are in the works and slated for release in 1.17.2: Tower of Karazhan!

These armor sets allow specializations that struggle with itemization to swap their tier pieces to versions that are tailored towards their preferred version, complete with all new set bonuses. If you plan on getting multiple Legacy sets with the intention of changing one of them into its alternative version, make sure to put the Legacy tier set items you want to keep using in your bank as to avoid losing enchantments.

Tier 1, 2 and Tier 3 (Rings Only) gear pieces will be swappable to their alternative counterparts via new quests while you'll need to use the new quest reward swapper NPC introduced in 1.17.2 for Tier 2.5 and 3, meaning you can convert your existing sets using this NPC as the original quests for Tier 2.5 and Tier 3 are now a reward choice between the original set and the alternative set(s), Tier 3.5 won't be available to be swapped using this NPC, pick your set wisely!
In addition, Tier 1 and 2 will be recolors of their original sets to further differentiate them.

You can find the details below:
  • Specializations listed with a / share the armor set.
  • There will be different alternative Tier 2.5 sets for some classes due to existing versions already being tailored towards DPS.
  • Legacy Warlock and Hunter sets have had their set bonuses updated to accomodate for Fire Destruction and Survival specializations and their abilities.
The following specializations will get new alternative tier sets:
  • Mage: Arcane
  • Priest: Shadow (Tier 1, 2 and 3), Holy (Tier 2.5 Only), Smite (Tier 2.5 Only, Original Tier 2.5 has been converted into the new Smite set while there is a new Holy set for Tier 2.5)
  • Warrior: Arms/Fury (Tier 1, 2 and 3, the reason for there being none for Tier 2.5 and 3.5 is that they're hybridized to work for both threat generation oriented tanking and damage dealing.)
  • Warlock: Affliction
  • Druid: Feral Combat (Tier 1, 2.5 and 3.5 are Cat Form DPS focused while Tier 2 and 3 are Bear Form Tanking focused), Balance (Legacy Tier 2.5 is the new Balance set while there is a new Restoration set for Tier 2.5), Restoration (Tier 2.5 Only)
  • Shaman: Enhancement (Tier 2.5 is specialized for tanking builds), Elemental (Legacy Tier 2 and 2.5 are the new Elemental sets while there are new Restoration sets for Tier 2 and 2.5.
  • Paladin: Retribution, Protection, Holy (Tier 2.5 now has a new item set while Tier 1 and 2 have been re-itemized to work better for Holy Paladins as the specializations using them previously now have new alternative tier sets.)
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Re: Alternative Tier Sets and Midpatch Itemization Changes

Post by Drubarrymooer » Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:54 pm

Tier 3 Feral buff?!?! 😜

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Post by Viva » Sun Oct 15, 2023 11:08 pm

So does that mean we can collect a 2nd set of tokens to save for our new set (i.e., a holy priest getting a set of t3 tokens for their Shadow turnin once this is released) or do you have to swap one set for the other?
Will this also affect t3 rings?

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Re: Alternative Tier Sets and Midpatch Itemization Changes

Post by Toirto » Sun Oct 15, 2023 11:12 pm

woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
I mean wow, that is good. Thank you.

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Post by Ashstache » Sun Oct 15, 2023 11:13 pm

sounds sick

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Post by Dragunovi » Sun Oct 15, 2023 11:15 pm

Viva wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 11:08 pm So does that mean we can collect a 2nd set of tokens to save for our new set (i.e., a holy priest getting a set of t3 tokens for their Shadow turnin once this is released) or do you have to swap one set for the other?
Will this also affect t3 rings?
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Post by Dated » Sun Oct 15, 2023 11:19 pm

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Post by Gnomoerectus » Sun Oct 15, 2023 11:22 pm

I'm curious about the warrior sets. Fury doesn't really need any help in PvE, maybe we could get something that would help them solo content a bit better? Like getting a temporary x% vampirism bonus after using bloodthirst for example.

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Post by Ugoboom » Sun Oct 15, 2023 11:26 pm

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Post by Anadrol » Sun Oct 15, 2023 11:27 pm

I don't know if I understood correctly. Will we be able to change the benefits of Tier Sets between different sets? If that's what I don't understand about Shadow Priest, I don't think he has any specific set for him.

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Post by Enantiom » Sun Oct 15, 2023 11:28 pm

Gnomoerectus wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 11:22 pm I'm curious about the warrior sets. Fury doesn't really need any help in PvE, maybe we could get something that would help them solo content a bit better? Like getting a temporary x% vampirism bonus after using bloodthirst for example.
I doubt it, they couldn't care less about warriors

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Post by Rowrow213 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 12:01 am

Is this gonna be another copy of Epoch like the Belt Buckle enchants or the Feral Attack Power on gear for druids?

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Post by Rowrow213 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 12:01 am

Gnomoerectus wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 11:22 pm I'm curious about the warrior sets. Fury doesn't really need any help in PvE, maybe we could get something that would help them solo content a bit better? Like getting a temporary x% vampirism bonus after using bloodthirst for example.
Please no, Vampirism is ass

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Post by Bittermens » Mon Oct 16, 2023 12:04 am

Since the server is on the custom armor ride and Easter eggs, give to paladins a 1:1 Replica of Pelinal Whitestrake's Armor

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Post by Akalix » Mon Oct 16, 2023 12:10 am

Rowrow213 wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2023 12:01 am Is this gonna be another copy of Epoch like the Belt Buckle enchants or the Feral Attack Power on gear for druids?
The concept of Belt Buckles has been in World of Warcraft since 2008.

Unfortunately, there is a limited amount of options for us to change in Vanilla WoW, meaning we will likely have some feature overlap with other versions of Vanilla WoW.

These alternative sets have been in production for months upon months. It's never fun to work for a long time on a new piece of content and have someone else announce it before you can. But to call any idea "a copy" is an insult to the work put in by both projects.
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Post by Uatu » Mon Oct 16, 2023 12:14 am

Will warriors have to chose between tank t3 or dps tier 3? for example chest, ring, boots, wrist which are bis tanking items, would the counterpart for dps be equally as good or?

what about for fights like 4hm where you need 8 tanks, do those 8 tanks just not go for that 4 set anymore

will we see what items comes out beforehand? will enchants stay on the gear when you swap them around

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Post by Jimyape » Mon Oct 16, 2023 12:23 am

Will the enhancement shaman set be tailored towards DPS only or also for Tanks?

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Post by Destroforum » Mon Oct 16, 2023 12:29 am

A couple questions.

Priest has shadow tier listed for 1,2 and 3, while other specs just say the spec. Are these specs also all 3 tiers?

The 2nd half of the post mentions it will happen on a server reset. Could we get a clarification of when that might be happening? "Upcoming" makes it sound soon.

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Post by Snakeman » Mon Oct 16, 2023 12:39 am

You guys are gonna make a lot of people mad buffing hunter and rogue set bonuses, they're some of the best designed sets in the game purely because itemising for those classes is so simple rofl
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Post by Dragunovi » Mon Oct 16, 2023 12:41 am

Destroforum wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2023 12:29 am A couple questions.

Priest has shadow tier listed for 1,2 and 3, while other specs just say the spec. Are these specs also all 3 tiers?

The 2nd half of the post mentions it will happen on a server reset. Could we get a clarification of when that might be happening? "Upcoming" makes it sound soon.
Specs that aren't specified will get sets for Tier 1, 2. 2.5 and 3, where Shadow doesn't get Tier 2.5 due to the Oracle set already being DPS oriented.

The restart is for other unrelated itemization changes, we will give more information about them soon.
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Re: Alternative tier sets & midpatch itemization changes

Post by Matk » Mon Oct 16, 2023 12:42 am

Please look at hunter T 2.5 pieces and swap out the spell dmg for something useful. Hunters, in general, do not use that set.

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Post by Dragunovi » Mon Oct 16, 2023 12:42 am

Snakeman wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2023 12:39 am You guys are gonna make a lot of people mad buffing hunter and rogue set bonuses, they're some of the best designed sets in the game purely because itemising for those classes is so simple rofl
Rogue especially has some dead set bonuses such as the increased max energy on Tier 1 which we will touch on. The items being good doesn't mean the set bonuses should suffer for it.
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Post by Blackduck » Mon Oct 16, 2023 12:47 am

Looking forward to the smite set. After the recent nerfs to the crusader strike debuff it could use a huge buff to make up for it.

I'm hoping the healing version of t2.5 keeps the extra renew tick because that's actually pretty strong when paired with 2 pieces of t3 on some bosses/trash.
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Post by Drudu » Mon Oct 16, 2023 12:57 am

I don't understand...
I have T3 set for rersto druid now, can i change it for feral T3 like Benediction/Anathema in future to play dps on some fights?

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Post by Aeliren » Mon Oct 16, 2023 1:58 am

Dragunovi wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:51 pm
  • We are also planning on buffing set bonuses on the Legacy Rogue and Hunter tier sets due to them not requiring any new sets as to not leave them out.
Melee Hunter and Rogue Tank could potentially be alternative sets for those two classes.
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Post by Whalemilk » Mon Oct 16, 2023 2:19 am

Aeliren wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2023 1:58 am
Dragunovi wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:51 pm
  • We are also planning on buffing set bonuses on the Legacy Rogue and Hunter tier sets due to them not requiring any new sets as to not leave them out.
Melee Hunter and Rogue Tank could potentially be alternative sets for those two classes.
If I have to hear the words "Rogue Tank" one more time...

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Re: Alternative tier sets & midpatch itemization changes

Post by Ghola » Mon Oct 16, 2023 2:27 am

will you be able to freely swap between alternative versions of the sets at the cost of your enchants?

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Post by Wilsonsds » Mon Oct 16, 2023 2:36 am

Please, fix the enchanted thoruim set armor, 10 arcanite bars for a blue item, this dont make more sense!
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Post by Aeliren » Mon Oct 16, 2023 2:41 am

Whalemilk wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2023 2:19 am
Aeliren wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2023 1:58 am
Dragunovi wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:51 pm
  • We are also planning on buffing set bonuses on the Legacy Rogue and Hunter tier sets due to them not requiring any new sets as to not leave them out.
Melee Hunter and Rogue Tank could potentially be alternative sets for those two classes.
If I have to hear the words "Rogue Tank" one more time...
Technically, you're not hearing the words "Rogue Tank", you're reading them.

Unless you're using a text-to-speech device, of course.
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Re: Alternative tier sets & midpatch itemization changes

Post by Bayanni » Mon Oct 16, 2023 2:46 am

I'm kind of interested to see what sort of new set bonuses we're going to see and if a lot of them are just moving the bonuses to different gear levels and sets. T1 8/8 druids getting 30 seconds off hurricane CD was such a meme, but I would legitimately see it being useful on an actual spell damage set like current T2.5, for example.

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Post by Fizzler » Mon Oct 16, 2023 2:53 am

It would be nice if devs took a look at mage T2.5 set bonuses. The 3 set bonus especially is very awful.
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Post by Leitsch » Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:05 am

Ele shamans, while adjusted on twow still suffer from the vanilla problems in raids: going out of mana to soon and most raids have high nature resist. Will the tier changes adress this (pretty please)? Greetings

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Post by Spriggit » Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:19 am

This is so exciting!! Thank you twow devs!

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Post by Introligator90 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 5:09 am

Imo Hunter needs beast mastery set which bonuse give % of master's hp ap crit etc.

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Post by Elm0 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 5:15 am

Since there is only a heal version of Priest T2.5 Set, wouldnt make it more sense to create a Shadow T2.5 and Smite T2.5? I mean yeah, the stats on Priest T2.5 are suitable for Shadow, but the set bonis is still a heal bonus. Or did u guys have just a typo?=
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