New human racial

[Ataika]

Not a secret current human racial is a very very situational garbage.
Would like to hear your suggestions how the new human racial should look like.

[Zeran]

Passive: Arathorian Tax

Death yields extra +50% honour and +(Player's level * 10) gold to the killer, if the opponent is a troll.

High Elves can get something similar as well.

[Frantsel]

Not a secret current human racial is a very very situational garbage.
Would like to hear your suggestions how the new human racial should look like.

Most racials are situational. If the situation fits they are pretty awesome tho.

I remember in classic i beat every rogue with my human rogue. Every time.
So thats pretty good isnt it?

Its the most played race by far, so I definately would NEVER give those a big boost.

The weapon skill is also bis, for pve.

The repgain is pretty helpful, it saves quite a bit of time.

So what do you want more?

[Ataika]

Not a secret current human racial is a very very situational garbage.
Would like to hear your suggestions how the new human racial should look like.

Most racials are situational. If the situation fits they are pretty awesome tho.

I remember in classic i beat every rogue with my human rogue. Every time.
So thats pretty good isnt it?

Its the most played race by far, so I definately would NEVER give those a big boost.

The weapon skill is also bis, for pve.

The repgain is pretty helpful, it saves quite a bit of time.

So what do you want more?

We discuss the magnitute of situation.
Human racial works only against 2 classes, and even there it may fail (perception does not work through vanish for an example).

Meanwhile other racials are more versatile - gnome can delete tons of effects, dwarves delete plague poisons stings blah blah. Not to mention horde racials.

So human racial stays far behind.
Iam not even playing human, just curious

[Bigsmerf]

Not a secret current human racial is a very very situational garbage.
Would like to hear your suggestions how the new human racial should look like.

Most racials are situational. If the situation fits they are pretty awesome tho.

I remember in classic i beat every rogue with my human rogue. Every time.
So thats pretty good isnt it?

Its the most played race by far, so I definately would NEVER give those a big boost.

The weapon skill is also bis, for pve.

The repgain is pretty helpful, it saves quite a bit of time.

So what do you want more?

We discuss the magnitute of situation.
Human racial works only against 2 classes, and even there it may fail (perception does not work through vanish for an example).

Meanwhile other racials are more versatile - gnome can delete tons of effects, dwarves delete plague poisons stings blah blah. Not to mention horde racials.

So human racial stays far behind.
Iam not even playing human, just curious

Every warrior and rogue is going to be human solely because of sword/mace spec. I think this being balanced with mediocrity is fine enough. Extra spirit, rep gains and perception are all decent enough imo.

[Calli]

We need only to think about this if twow starts to distribute books for all weapon types(and it should happen for trolls and high-elves for their bow weapon racial because now anybody can have it).

[Ataika]

We need only to think about this if twow starts to distribute books for all weapon types(and it should happen for trolls and high-elves for their bow weapon racial because now anybody can have it).

why dont they just remove that weapon racial crap and add the missing stat to every class by default
also i see crapton non-human warriors-rogues in pve so no

[Astrallizard]

Humans have like the best racial in the game... the ability to be a Paladin!

[Likaleo]

Human got already best melee passive racial. Giving good active racial would make them op

[Krotux]

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Here I suggest giving humans a caster racial

[Ataika]

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Here I suggest giving humans a caster racial

human silience resist looks op
human priest is abour 40% silience resist, same goes to healer paladin

[Gantulga]

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Here I suggest giving humans a caster racial

RNG CC/CC resist passives are AWFUL design. We already have the idiotic Hardiness and you want something similar for humans?

Perception is bad even in rogue vs rogue matchups (which is the only place where it does anything). The detection range is incredibly short and can be avoided by merely not moving in a straight line. It also doesn't work vs Vanish.

If weapon racials are nuked then humans have to get an actual racial that helps. Something in the lines of limited "cheat death" where you reduce the damage taken by a large % upon entering a critical HP % threshold could work as it lines up with the whole "human persistence" theme.

[Calli]

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Here I suggest giving humans a caster racial

RNG CC/CC resist passives are AWFUL design. We already have the idiotic Hardiness and you want something similar for humans?

Perception is bad even in rogue vs rogue matchups (which is the only place where it does anything). The detection range is incredibly short and can be avoided by merely not moving in a straight line. It also doesn't work vs Vanish.

If weapon racials are nuked then humans have to get an actual racial that helps. Something in the lines of limited "cheat death" where you reduce the damage taken by a large % upon entering a critical HP % threshold could work as it lines up with the whole "human persistence" theme.

So human stays as tank meta even more

[Krotux]

viewtopic.php?t=11750

Here I suggest giving humans a caster racial

RNG CC/CC resist passives are AWFUL design. We already have the idiotic Hardiness and you want something similar for humans?

Perception is bad even in rogue vs rogue matchups (which is the only place where it does anything). The detection range is incredibly short and can be avoided by merely not moving in a straight line. It also doesn't work vs Vanish.

If weapon racials are nuked then humans have to get an actual racial that helps. Something in the lines of limited "cheat death" where you reduce the damage taken by a large % upon entering a critical HP % threshold could work as it lines up with the whole "human persistence" theme.

Why is it awful? It's classic and since orcs have it why not humans have something similar?

[Gantulga]

viewtopic.php?t=11750

Here I suggest giving humans a caster racial

RNG CC/CC resist passives are AWFUL design. We already have the idiotic Hardiness and you want something similar for humans?

Perception is bad even in rogue vs rogue matchups (which is the only place where it does anything). The detection range is incredibly short and can be avoided by merely not moving in a straight line. It also doesn't work vs Vanish.

If weapon racials are nuked then humans have to get an actual racial that helps. Something in the lines of limited "cheat death" where you reduce the damage taken by a large % upon entering a critical HP % threshold could work as it lines up with the whole "human persistence" theme.

Why is it awful? It's classic and since orcs have it why not humans have something similar?

Because RNG CC/CC resists are beyond stupid in PvP and not reliable in PvE either. That's why Blizzard changed hardiness/iron will/etc to instead reduce the duration of CCs.
Likewise giving humans a racial that's useless for non-casters isn't a bright idea.

[Krotux]

viewtopic.php?t=11750

Here I suggest giving humans a caster racial

human silience resist looks op
human priest is abour 40% silience resist, same goes to healer paladin

I imagine it wouldn't stack additively like other buffs, so it would be less. I still think Wotf is way better....completely counters priest and warrior fear which are on a long cd.

Humans would have a better active than orcs, worse active than undead, worse passive than orc, but better passive than undead.

[Krotux]

RNG CC/CC resist passives are AWFUL design. We already have the idiotic Hardiness and you want something similar for humans?

Perception is bad even in rogue vs rogue matchups (which is the only place where it does anything). The detection range is incredibly short and can be avoided by merely not moving in a straight line. It also doesn't work vs Vanish.

If weapon racials are nuked then humans have to get an actual racial that helps. Something in the lines of limited "cheat death" where you reduce the damage taken by a large % upon entering a critical HP % threshold could work as it lines up with the whole "human persistence" theme.

Why is it awful? It's classic and since orcs have it why not humans have something similar?

Because RNG CC/CC resists are beyond stupid in PvP and not reliable in PvE either. That's why Blizzard changed hardiness/iron will/etc to instead reduce the duration of CCs.
Likewise giving humans a racial that's useless for non-casters isn't a bright idea.

Okay sure then change hardiness too. Why bring that up when people want to buff human racials? Add the cc resist, and when they decide to change it to cc reduction, both can be changed.

[Whalemilk]

People complain about the sword/mace skill. My idea (underpowered and shitty) would be…

*weapons master: all weapons available to class are learned upon character creation*

Racial sucks, but saves you a couple silver.

[Calli]

Lionheart: basically the same than orc hardiness but against fear.

[Metavahn]

Last Man Standing:

Take 50% less damage when below 20% health for 5 seconds

Can only be used once every 2 minutes

[Krotux]

human perception is already good. Humans only need a passive caster racial for pvp. I suggested silence resist to mirror orc resist.

[Gantulga]

human perception is already good. Humans only need a passive caster racial for pvp. I suggested silence resist to mirror orc resist.

It's not good at all, it's terrible.