Undead Paladins, Dwarf Shamans

[Voulome]

every argument i've seen against undead paladins makes me think that maybe turtle should remove undead priests for lore reasons and see how people react

Well if they remove Human demonist i'm all for that path :D

[Sylveria]

every argument i've seen against undead paladins makes me think that maybe turtle should remove undead priests for lore reasons and see how people react

Only holy/disc Spec.

Priest is a complicated class Overall since it's an almost entirely different Thing depending on the Race/culture. But i guess making the priest different for every Race would've been too complicated for Blizzard, especially balance-wise so they rather retconned some stuff Here and there and Made the priest all the Same for everyone.

But AS Said: Undead Shadow prieste would still exist. They would need some Sort of Shadow-Themed Healing Kit. But oh Well.

I Just think this whole topic should be laid ad acta. '-'

[Calli]

We don't need new races, classes etc, we need class changes 2 and better, class-based racials for everyone, not just for priests, please.
There are already too many race-class combo unfortunately.

[Charanko]

We don't need new races, classes etc, we need class changes 2 and better, class-based racials for everyone, not just for priests, please.
There are already too many race-class combo unfortunately.

Agree

[Biteyou]

every argument i've seen against undead paladins makes me think that maybe turtle should remove undead priests for lore reasons and see how people react

Hell yeah rock the boat

[Noce]

just give us dwarf shamans
troll druids
and add necromancers and dk
dk can be a horde counter for aliance paladin
necros for both horde and aliance

[Imonobor]

just give us dwarf shamans
troll druids
and add necromancers and dk
dk can be a horde counter for aliance paladin
necros for both horde and aliance

I don't know if Necromancer could be a fully fleshed-out separate class. What would be the 3 specs?
I think it would be a better fit as a Warlock 4th spec that focuses on many minions instead of one like Demonology.
It could also get a new set of undead-themed pets like Abomination, Revenant, Crypt Fiend, Gargoyle, along with lesser minions like skeletons and zombies. Also Soothe Undead please.

Anyway, Undead Death Knight and Dwarf Thane when?

[Noce]

why u need 3 specs? they could only have one spec. they could be some copy of diablos necros, they are made quite good there. they are masters of summoning spells, poison, bone and curses spells.

i could see them as in two specs:
animator/summoner/artificier/embalmer - rise dead as skeleton, summoning golems and ultimate rise dead npc
and a pure solo [no pet/summon] dps lich/sorcerer.

they could cast bone spears, bone shields, curses, unholy auras, bone prisons - terror - confuse/attract as form of cc, poison daggers similar to rogues, poison novas...
they could use staves, daggers, shields, frills, mbe swords, and ofc cloth class.
as race: humans, trolls, orcs, undead. for aliance other than humans not sure who should be necro. mbe both gnome and dwarf.

[Sczq]

please no !

[Akos1896]

just give us dwarf shamans
troll druids
and add necromancers and dk
dk can be a horde counter for aliance paladin
necros for both horde and aliance

I don't know if Necromancer could be a fully fleshed-out separate class. What would be the 3 specs?
I think it would be a better fit as a Warlock 4th spec that focuses on many minions instead of one like Demonology.
It could also get a new set of undead-themed pets like Abomination, Revenant, Crypt Fiend, Gargoyle, along with lesser minions like skeletons and zombies. Also Soothe Undead please.

Anyway, Undead Death Knight and Dwarf Thane when?

I think, since TWOW is unlikely to add new classes in the coming year (not in the roadmap), we could go a bit cheeky and take the best ideas as talents from later iterations from WOW.
F.ex. demonology warlock doesn't really exist, people stop at DS and go ruin. Stealing some unholy DK talents and changing the bottom-tree based on that would
1. Add warlock gameplay variety
2. Would let us see watered-down versions of talents we loved the most at later iterations. F.ex. what TWOW did to bloodlust. Still very good but extremely nerfec compared to retail.

Based on this idea, I'd love f.ex. a death coil to pala tanks for range pull (def with a theme rework and def not called death coil). F.ex. holy pull. TWOW should never be retail but retail has many abilities which are perfect for the balance patch. Even monk, DK and evoker ones, reskinned as arcane mage, melee hunter, prot pala etc abilities.

[Syrathegreat]

Undead papladins are possible same as death knights . In lore first death knights where created by orc shaman trough fel force. Think he was Kel thuzad who later used arthas .....
Dwarf can't be shaman because of nature magic . Shamans use spirits and elemental magic. It's different from mage or priest magic using
Undead priests using holy magic. Noone has question here,? But are against undead paladins who would basically use Holly magic but just wear plate.
P.s undead players are marked as humans not undead Vs NPC undead. Because they are not controlled by scourge . It's mean undead paladins has bigger chance to happen than dawi shamans. From lore offc.

There is RPG lore for the Cult of Forgotten Shadows training "Dark Knights" however these were replaced with Lightslayer assassins after they proved ineffective against the more organised Scarlet Crusade.

However this lore was released during Classic so there would be room to develop this if the devs did decide to pursue it. Likely the way canonically forsaken priests are (almost - see Fairbanks in SM Cath as the exception for Classic) always shadow priests despite in gameplay having access to the other specs; could handwave it for forsaken if necessary, or do a class skin or something.

I don't think this is something that would happen on turtle though due to their steadfast and consistent stance on keeping faction-exclusive classes.

[Reploidrocsa]

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[Jkldsngkljsng]

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That AI lol?

[Rudyraccoon]

Well, there is Project Epoch for anyone who wants Dwarf Shaman or Undead Paladin.

[Charcoal]

Well we do have dwarf mages. I'd say that's pretty shaman-y.

[Mac]

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Yes

[Majestik51]

good that players like dracar exist on this server.... ty man