1.17.0 Itemization Changelog

[Springboards]

alliance can still use 2x meadow 5 agil rings, that ring is nothing compared to what alliance has in the bracket

The tirisfal uplands rings are completely useless(5 int and other is 5 str...you can buy any of those as "green" lvl 18 on AH) so they shouldnt be blue quality to begin with as their quality is misleading and demoted to green. Looks like the alliance ring will also have more sp than the horde one

4/3 wrists are meh when there are 5 agil boe, same with 7/3 boots when lynx exist and gorilla gloves are completely niche for only a hybrid shaman...not alot of 19 shamans out there, same with shield. Bah, stuff like this just makes you want to graveyard farm the alliance more which i will

Also 19 mages are a very niche class and cant just tank like they can at 20+ without mana shield

[Qruzii]

The R10 Helm nerf seems a bit harsh. Considering how easy it is to obtain gear from Stratholme (Unforgiven Leather and Baron Plate Headpieces) as a DPS Warrior, it really devalues the feeling of being rewarded for sticking through PvP to R10. Yes, i understand that the Item itself is very strong, especially with the 2p bonus. But the time invested into PvPing has to be considered and thus rewarded. Please take the time investement into consideration when adjusting Gear that isn't a simple drop.

[Bayanni]

alliance can still use 2x meadow 5 agil rings, that ring is nothing compared to what alliance has in the bracket

The tirisfal uplands rings are completely useless(5 int and other is 5 str...you can buy any of those as "green" lvl 18 on AH) so they shouldnt be blue quality to begin with as their quality is misleading and demoted to green. Looks like the alliance ring will also have more sp than the horde one

4/3 wrists are meh when there are 5 agil boe, same with 7/3 boots when lynx exist and gorilla gloves are completely niche for only a hybrid shaman...not alot of 19 shamans out there, same with shield. Bah, stuff like this just makes you want to graveyard farm the alliance more which i will

Also 19 mages are a very niche class and cant just tank like they can at 20+ without mana shield

This is almost entirely false.

Alliance uses seal of wrynn and if you're using 2x5 agi rings you're making a glass cannon build, which is more niche than mages in the bracket currently. Also, try finding a +5str meadow ring, and no one uses the +5int ring because there's better from deadmines and faction ring anyway. I'd still use faction ring and anchor's edge ring since they're both fantastic.

Saying 4/3 wrists are meh is dumb. They're BiS. If they're meh every single other item is worse, it's a dumb take. Same with every other gear item you said, especially the shield.

There are currently three monster 19 shamans I see regularly and they outdps everyone except rogues/hunters.


If you just want to complain into the void and don't want people to respond then you should lead with that so we know to ignore you.

[Luigihomaforum]

Why nerf the naxx trash loot itself instead of making it impossible to farm with only a few people? There has to be a way to make it impossible, you guys could programme a solution to this im sure of it. I really dont think touching the trash loot is the right move...

[Munaloords]

Why nerf the naxx trash loot itself instead of making it impossible to farm with only a few people? There has to be a way to make it impossible, you guys could programme a solution to this im sure of it. I really dont think touching the trash loot is the right move...

average naxx trash enjoyer

[Milen]

Paladin:
Belt of the Grand Crusader: [+536 Armor, +18 Strength, +18 Stamina, +18 Intellect, +21 Spellpower, +7 MP5] -> [+506 Armor, +17 Strength, +17 Stamina, +17 Intellect, +18 Spellpower, +7 MP5]
Leggings of the Grand Crusader: [+833 Armor, +21 Strength, +21 Stamina, +21 Intellect, +26 Spellpower, +2% Critical Chance] -> [+787 Armor, +20 Strength, +20 Stamina, +21 Intellect, +23 Spellpower, +2% Critical Chance]
Spaulders of the Grand Crusader: [+714 Armor, +18 Strength, +18 Stamina, +17 Intellect, +4 MP5, +20 Spellpower, +1% Critical Chance] -> [+674 Armor, +16 Strength, +16 Stamina, +17 Intellect, +4 MP5, +18 Spellpower, +1% Critical Chance]
dont` resude the stamina

[Crunshy1512]

eu2 when

[Milen]

Why nerf the naxx trash loot itself instead of making it impossible to farm with only a few people? There has to be a way to make it impossible, you guys could programme a solution to this im sure of it. I really dont think touching the trash loot is the right move...

average naxx trash enjoyer

average naxx trash enjoyer ???? are youre dumm

[Ohushieyz]

The Tier 2.5 armor set for Druids have seen a makeover to itemize it towards the Balance specialization. The old set tried to be a jack of all trades but the stats happened to be too spread out to be useful for anyone, we hope that this change patches some of the itemization progression holes boomkins have for raid progression.

Genesis Boots: [+17 Intellect, +16 Stamina, +14 Spirit, +1% Spell Hit, +23 Spellpower]

Genesis Helm: [+20 Intellect, +16 Stamina, +14 Spirit, +2% Spell Crit, +32 Spellpower, +5 MP5]

Genesis Shoulderpads: [+19 Intellect, +13 Stamina, +10 Spirit, +10 Spell Pen, +27 Spellpower]

Genesis Trousers: [+22 Intellect, +19 Stamina, +16 Spirit, +1% Spell Crit, +1% Spell Hit, +36 Spellpower]

Genesis Vest: [+24 Intellect, +22 Stamina, +19 Spirit, +1% Spell Crit, +1% Spell Hit, +30 Spellpower, +20 Spell Pen]

Can you please don't touch Genesis Set. Some of the pieces are superior than epic PvP set for pvp purposes (literally BiS). Make another custom set or w/e for Boomkins.

this. i just got into AQ40 to start farming this and now its being changed :(

[Hambeast]

When will you change the pvp system?
Do something to get people going to AB instead of just running Alterac.

Couldn't agree more. The bonus honor in AV is toxic for pvp. Some of the top 100 players every week have 1k honorable kills yet 500k+ honor. All the ranking system is proving is that someone is willing to stand inside AV longer than others. I know AFKing in battlegrounds has always been the meta for ranking but would be neat to find a way to reward active players.

[Quidoba]

The rockfury bracers nerf, while understandable from a relative power compared to un-buffed aq40 and naxx caster wrists, is a bit harsh considering the months of effort and gold investment that go into grinding the rep and farming the badges for that item. Experienced casters will have spent at least a couple months focussed on getting this item early in their gearing arc, so it's especially painful that this item becomes worse than the BWL equivalent in all ways.

Can we get some int/spirit on these bracers as a compensation for the SP that was flatly taken off them? A lot of re-itemization of dps caster gear has come at the cost of spirit, so it would help keep these bracers relevant if they fill a more sustain focussed raid viable roll when compared to BWL/AQ40/Naxx options. This also fits with the stat heavy design of priest/mage AQ40 2.5 sets which it seems this item should fit in with.

Can we add (at least): 5 int, 7 spirit:

1.17.0 would look like:
Rockfury Bracers: 7 stam, 5 int, 7 spirit, 21 SP, 1 hit
Bracers of Arcane Accuracy: 10 int, 5 stam, 25 SP, 1 hit

Edit: It probably wouldn't hurt to buff the WSG exalted bracers while you're at it considering they are way harder to get than either of the above bracers. They should be more PVP oriented than they are now.

[Bittermens]

When will you change the pvp system?
Do something to get people going to AB instead of just running Alterac.

Couldn't agree more. The bonus honor in AV is toxic for pvp. Some of the top 100 players every week have 1k honorable kills yet 500k+ honor. All the ranking system is proving is that someone is willing to stand inside AV longer than others. I know AFKing in battlegrounds has always been the meta for ranking but would be neat to find a way to reward active players.

People don't do AB because it is always the same Shamans and Warlocks deleting people on the horde side, same goes to WSG PVP imbalance favors horde in those, while alliance has AV.

And before people says paladins, after this patch, Ret Holy and Tank will be useless even on PVE too.

[Shoezvengeance]

The R10 Helm nerf seems a bit harsh. Considering how easy it is to obtain gear from Stratholme (Unforgiven Leather and Baron Plate Headpieces) as a DPS Warrior, it really devalues the feeling of being rewarded for sticking through PvP to R10. Yes, i understand that the Item itself is very strong, especially with the 2p bonus. But the time invested into PvPing has to be considered and thus rewarded. Please take the time investement into consideration when adjusting Gear that isn't a simple drop.

Agreed, this helm is average at best, the stats it has are needed for PvP, you have to grind pvp for weeks to be able to earn it and to have it nerfed makes no sense. Only other fix would be to fix the pvp system to make grinding to R13 viable and add the hit and crit to the R13 helm as a replacement. Itll be better to just do 60 dungeons and ZG rather than pvp for any incentive at all,

[Andy9804]

A great add would be a melee flask for raids

[Alanchen]

reputation of dalaran。I haven't seen any information about this. At present, I am unable to achieve worship. Is it because I missed something?