Turtle HD Project

[Huma]

you are putting effects that a 2000s engine cant handle stop talking trash about other PCs pls..... i play every new game on high/ultra with no problems, dont be so cringe, patch its bad.

[Dhrazar]

hahaah dont make me laugh, pls, typical noobs that when they see an unnoptimized game runs to the store to buy the new 800$ GPU xDDD

Nobody was talking about GPUs, except you. Seems you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Huma]

i put GPU as an example of how people like you who know nothing about computers get cucked my companies you dumb fuck

[Redmagejoe]

Huma, I have very clearly explained to you the issue, and I can even ask one of the tech wizards of the staff to come weigh in on this if it would appease you. They will likely confirm the issues as being the game engine itself and the demands that we're putting upon it. However, I would ask you to be civil in this thread and not lash out at people who understand the technical nuances of the situation better than you do.

We are loading high resolution assets that have been crushed down as much as they possibly can be to fit the vanilla client's maximum allowed resolution for textures and maximum allowed model complexity without losing graphic fidelity, so there is nothing further that can be done with the assets, which is the only thing this patch adds. What you are asking is that we wave our hands and magically make HD assets somehow occupy less space and have less complexity than they already do, or that we magically make the 2004 vanilla client call on the GPU to handle the heavy lifting, or to suddenly be optimized to load no less than 2 additional gigabytes of ONLY graphic assets into memory, on top of the additions Turtle has made. Even with the hacky fix of allowing WoW.exe to be aware of addresses beyond 2 GB, you must understand what this entails.

If you have never worked on software, then you won't have any idea what we're talking about, and if that is the case, I ask you keep your hostile ignorance to yourself. You can't optimize a zip folder full of data (which is all these MPQs are) to make an actual binary not optimized for modern demands magically perform better.

[Huma]

the insane fps drops only happens on teldrassil (idk if it happens in other forest/jungle maps) when it rains, if it rains in elwyn for example the performance its good, maybe its caused by only couple of files that can be replaced or simply deleted

[Dalijon]

I followed the instructions, and it was kind of cool on my human warrior. Only the unsheath weapon button seemed a little bugged. However, I can't even click on my 60 male druid on the character selection screen, or the game crashes.

[Redmagejoe]

I followed the instructions, and it was kind of cool on my human warrior. Only the unsheath weapon button seemed a little bugged. However, I can't even click on my 60 male druid on the character selection screen, or the game crashes.

Is your Druid, by any chance, a Tauren?

[Dalijon]

Yes,

My druid is a Tauren. I take it some Tauren models just can't be supported? I'll admit, I didn't read all the fine print about the mod, just how easy it was to try, and that there were limitations that may not be able to be overcome due to the outdated code the original 1.12 software used.

Edit: I downloaded again, stripped my tauren naked, and it loaded. Going to add piece by piece and find out what piece causes a crash.

Second update: Once I loaded my naked tauren, It loaded and I can play. Could not duplicate the crash again once I got it working. I exited game, and my fully cloathed Tauren loads just fine. I'll report any further issues. The updated animal forms are SICK!

Ty for responding, and for caring!

Sincerely,
A happy druid.

[Redmagejoe]

I am actually doing a full retool of the DBCs that deal with Spells and ItemDisplayInfo in a bid to clean up some outdated references to equipment and the like. Considering that the aforementioned Tauren issue seems item related, I'm hoping that this retool will, among other item-related issues, remedy so many problematic behaviors that some items have caused in the past.

There's no better time for me to work on cleaning up the DBC files, as a compatibility patch will be needed whenever Turtle's big content patch drops. I'd like to have the HD patch as ready as possible for when that day comes.

[Reever]

Is it possible to separate the spell effects from the Legion character models

[Ingameacc12345]

Is it possible to separate the spell effects from the Legion character models

Everything is possible, just download an MPQ Editor and get to work!

[Reever]

Is it possible to separate the spell effects from the Legion character models

Everything is possible, just download an MPQ Editor and get to work!

Didn't realize it would be this easy. Took me like 3 minutes to get it done. Thanks

[Wilczan]

How I can remove one model from the patch to keep the default look?

Bought Brewfest Kodo but very dissapointed how it looks with HD patch.
On the other hand HD patch overall is great and would like to keep rest of the models.

[Redmagejoe]

How I can remove one model from the patch to keep the default look?

Bought Brewfest Kodo but very dissapointed how it looks with HD patch.
On the other hand HD patch overall is great and would like to keep rest of the models.

Brewfest Kodo is among a list of mounts that do not currently have HD textures, so they will look quite bad until we can port or create our own.

[Wilczan]

I bet creating new ones would be very time consuming. Cannot just import old ones for now?

[Baess]

Total sidebar here. Would this work with a stock vanilla client or has turtle changed to much

[Redmagejoe]

Total sidebar here. Would this work with a stock vanilla client or has turtle changed to much

In theory, it should work as the references that were changed in DBCs that are Turtle exclusive shouldn't interfere with things that obviously do not exist in vanilla, but we also changed Spells.DBC which has spell tooltips. Any spell that Turtle changed would thus be inaccurately described on base vanilla.

I apologize, as I do not still have a link to the original mod that serves as the base for this one.

[Baess]

Many thanks

[Astrilslab17]

Could you please upload the patch-A.MPQ file to mediafire because of the restrictions in my country it doesn't let me download it from google drive thanks in advance, very good post.

[Faustorgo]

Could you please upload the patch-A.MPQ file to mediafire because of the restrictions in my country it doesn't let me download it from google drive thanks in advance, very good post.

Hi, there we go, Patch-A , updated :D https://www.mediafire.com/file/hz89iukx ... A.rar/file

[Zer0cool]

Total sidebar here. Would this work with a stock vanilla client or has turtle changed to much

If you want the original mod for classic WoW client, you can find it here : https://model-changing.net/index.php?ap ... llabs&id=9 as many other mods that modding community has made. The mod is for every private server that is 1.12 version. Im the creator of it and I like that other people get inspired and entering into wow modding community, since we are few, as Redmagejoe and Astricon did here. It makes a difference. Cheers

[Redmagejoe]

Cheers

Awesome to see you again Zer0cool. Thanks for commenting. I may have already asked this before, but any idea if it's possible for the sheathing animation issue to ever be fixed with a reconversion, or is that part of the raw deal in downporting Legion models and animation data and trying to bundle it into a vanilla M2?

[Zer0cool]

Cheers

Awesome to see you again Zer0cool. Thanks for commenting. I may have already asked this before, but any idea if it's possible for the sheathing animation issue to ever be fixed with a reconversion, or is that part of the raw deal in downporting Legion models and animation data and trying to bundle it into a vanilla M2?

Unfortunately no. From contacting, back then, with the creator of the tool that used to convert Legion++ models back to vanilla, it isn't possible. After a few tests that he did and I, we end up that we couldn't locate what was the exact issue, was tool fault or model fault ? Maybe meshed up bone connections to the model, or maybe something else that we couldn't locate after all. I tried everything, to bypass this, but with no success. I tried even checking it by porting the model into blender, but again I couldn't locate the issue, it was all normal there. So I believed that would be a permanent “error” but with less impact on playing the game and “ruin” the feeling. People must move on, after all playing the vanilla version but with newer models is something out of the mind of everyone, but the feeling is AWESOME I guess.

[Remorsx]

if i delete the "scourge" folder to retain the old UD models, is it possible to restore the eye glow on all facial features? right now it is only present on one

[Redmagejoe]

if i delete the "scourge" folder to retain the old UD models, is it possible to restore the eye glow on all facial features? right now it is only present on one

This can probably easily be fixed with a quick review of the DBC. I will see what I can do.

EDIT: It appears that all of the faces and "features" options that should have eye glow are properly working in-game. Are you asking to have eye glow added to the face combinations that specifically have blacked out eyes, such as the cross-strap faces? You do realize that these match their vanilla counterparts, right?

Good news is that while looking into this, I've narrowed down the issue with the weird "light shafts" in the Undead character select screens. It seems that the alpha channels aren't being rendered properly with their textures, causing this effect. These are meant to be spider webs and fog effects. Will see what I can do about this.

[Remorsx]

EDIT: It appears that all of the faces and "features" options that should have eye glow are properly working in-game. Are you asking to have eye glow added to the face combinations that specifically have blacked out eyes, such as the cross-strap faces? You do realize that these match their vanilla counterparts, right?

quite strange because on my part there is only 1 "facial feature" with the glowing yellow eyes, all the other ones are empty blacked out ones lol

i did it that way - opened patch A via MPQedit64, removed the scourge folder from the characters entirely and closed it
guess i did something wrong? xd

i'm currently talking about the UD males



and this is the only option with the glow

[Remorsx]

if it helps - sheath/unsheath animation does work on female orc shaman with a 2handed axe
lol

[Redmagejoe]

Are you sure that you did not mistake what facial settings you had? It is not the "Face" field, but the "Features" field that affects the eyes. There are 17 total Features settings, 12 of which have eye glow, 5 of which have black eyes. Faces will not change the eye glow, as it is dependent upon what "Features" you have chosen.

I just tested all of these on both Male and Female, all combinations of Face and Features, and while there are more options with eye glow, at least 5 of the eye glow options have a black eyes alternative.

[Remorsx]

yep, it seems bugged on my end, i scrolled through all the features and only 1 has the glowing eyes

moreso, before installing the patch i created an UD with the glowing eyes and when i deleted the scourge folder they became blacked out as on my first screenshot

[Redmagejoe]

yep, it seems bugged on my end, i scrolled through all the features and only 1 has the glowing eyes

moreso, before installing the patch i created an UD with the glowing eyes and when i deleted the scourge folder they became blacked out as on my first screenshot

Unfortunately, I cannot reproduce this issue. I asked a number of other players to check this for me on the latest version of the patch, and they can also not reproduce this issue. Do you have the latest version of the patch available on the front page?

[Remorsx]

yep. of course
well, unfortunate, but whatever

[Kassuss8787]

Hello i have a problem with nameplate, after installing the HD Model i got these nameplate.
Tried disabling all addon, nothing, even addon that change nameplate do nothing. But i did redownload the game without the patch and nameplates are fine.
Any idea how to fix this?

https://imgur.com/a/4poq1Ph

[Redmagejoe]

The HD patch natively changes the appearance of nameplates.

[Kassuss8787]

The HD patch natively changes the appearance of nameplates.

There are no way to keep the hd patch and use nameplate addon like KUI?

[Redmagejoe]

I am not familiar with the addon you speak of, but addons should take precedence over any base client behavior. The HD patch does not manipulate any sort of XML or LUA to my knowledge, simply replaces existing assets. It should have no impact on the function of any addons.