Wowplaya69 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:27 am
I like socializing across cultures and pushing through communication boundaries, and I recognize the important social value of that. If I understand you correctly you like to stay inside your tribe and don't recognize the value in cross-cultural communication.
We can all coexist in turtle-wow, the opportunity here is that the vast majority of communication in wow is non-verbal.
In regard to your specific experience, it's easy to find a raid with English speakers, pick up groups it might be harder sometimes but those only require simple communication and there are other technical solutions that could be implemented regardless. There are, amongst others, German and Russian speaking guilds and groups on the server already and yet you've managed.
This forum reports your location as Australia, your opposition to "social messaging" on East-West relations in general seems foolish given how in the thick of it Australia could be should the international situation continue on course, not that I expect we little people could do much anyway.
You can't have cross-cultural communication when you don't share any language. And besides, that isn't why most people play video games. They play to have
fun. Meeting some guy from god knows where by chance when you're teaming up to do an elite quest: fun. I guess that's why we play MMOs. Having everyone around you speak a completely unfamiliar language and inadvertently blocking you out from said activity/conversation: very unfun.
I feel like some of you live in a completely different world, or maybe you're just wacky Americans who think being around people who don't speak English is fun. I've had to relocate in several servers during my time playing WoW because they became the go-to servers for a certain population (usually Turkish given their high numbers). Blizzard did not give a shit and never enforced anything despite them dominating the general chat, since how do you ban the majority population on a server? Inevitably, any guild that didn't want to live under those conditions had to pay to transfer. You see the exact same phenomenon in new MMOs, where people immediately look up which server is
really the English-speaking one, since a few are always surrendered to languages that don't get official support. There is no worse feeling than playing for several days and waking up to find out that you're actually on a server that's nominally English, but functionally Turkish, Polish, or what have you.
The worst part is that I'm not sure who you people are even defending. As someone that isn't from an Anglo country, I can tell you that I avoid my fellow countrymen like the plague. If I bump into one, that's one thing, but I would never go out of my way to join some national guild and then go around speaking in my native language. That's embarrassing. I feel genuinely angry whenever I see anyone from my country acting that way, and I'm sure this is also true for Turks/Russians/Chinese/whatever who have to deal with such countrymen.
Now, I will say that a new server probably could've been avoided if the Turtle WoW team made it clear from the beginning that not speaking English is a mortal offense. Doesn't matter if it's one message: instaban. In general, I think banning any form of national guild would be a good idea if you are serious about retaining an English-speaking population. Even if the people who start that guild speak English, it only takes a few months for one to bring in a friend who doesn't really, and that guy brings another, and so on and so on until you find out that your tasteful national guild who is supposed to be made up of people that might have more in common but still speak English is suddenly infested by shitters who can't speak English at all and destroy the guild's reputation on the server and force you to surrender it and quit. Tolerating any form of national-based association is just a bad idea.
If you really do speak English well and have no problem playing on an English server, then joining any random English-speaking guild shouldn't be a problem.