As one of the comments pointed out, retcon pretty much started in WC3. Still very strange decision lore wise to 360 relationship of high elves to Alliance though seems like very much Metzen-thing as he tend to bend his own lore without setting up believable setup even in his golden age of WC3 and early WoW.Rukopashka wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 12:41 pmIt is true that the retconning of the Thalassian elves' relationship with the Alliance and the rewriting of Warcraft II lore have been a point of contention among Warcraft lore enthusiasts. The decision to have the blood elves join the Horde was a significant shift in the narrative, and some feel that the retcon was an attempt to justify this decision.Feebas233 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:14 amAs the forum is currently talking about high elves being underdeveloped and several community members offering to volunteer with quests and possible future story, I would like to share my two cents with everyone.
One of the less talked retcon about Thalassian elves is that Blizzard writers try to damage previous thalassian elves and alliance relationship as much as possible by antagonizing alliance and completely retconing WC2 lore. My guess is that writers were trying to push 'blood elves joining Horde' narratives and trying to pull out artificial reasoning to make sense of their non-sensical lore decision to put blood elves into Horde.
Retail lore is pretty messy and it get worse overtime. Even in TBC, a large portion of lores were retconned, creating many inconsistencies and gaps. Many people remember Chris Metzen with rose-tinted lens, but he was one of the people responsible for many major lore mess up around TBC and WOTLK era.
Lets look at one of major retcon.
In retails, writers have said Thalassian elves never have good relationship with human and Alliance. King Anasterian Sunstrider don't give a single damn about helping the human in second war and stated many high elves repulse at sights of human, seeing them as inferiors. Retail lore said thalassian elves are grudgeful and don't forget wrongs humans have inflicted blood elves under Garithos's command.
So we are supposed to believe these grudgeful elves supposed to forgive orcs, trolls and undead easily after second and third war? Please don't say Horde is different from second war horde. Many orcs who participated in burning of Eversong and onslaught of high elven population there are still in the modern Horde. In retail, elves conveniently forget that.
Retail lore said blood elves accepted forsaken because they broke free from Scourge.
At the same time, retail lore said human initially rejected forsaken's attempt to reach out to them because human are fearful of undead so much that chance to talk was never possible.
Writers expected us to believe blood elves wouldn't be suspicious of forsaken who claimed themselves free? Even with Sylvanas being former hero, why would elves trust her after she participated in destruction of Silvermoon under Scourge control.
Before the retcon, in Warcraft II Tide of Darkness. High elves seem to have amicable relationship with alliance. They may or may not be as close as dwarves or gnomes to human, but i don't see any major indication that high elves are cold or hostile toward Alliance.
Let me copy some text from WC2
"Chapter 2: Ambush at Tarren Mill
The mysterious Elves of Silvermoon have sent a contingent of Archers south to survey the supposed Orcish threat for themselves. Our spies report that shortly after passing through the Alterac grasslands the Elves were ambushed by Horde troops. It is believed that these Elves are now being held in a small prison camp near the northwest region of Tarren Mill. Lord Terenas, fervently hoping to enlist the Elves into the Alliance, has asked that you search for the missing warriors and deliver them to safety. The Elves have sent a cadre of Archers to assist in your quest. You will also be provided with plans to construct an Elven Lumber Mill and the sylvan craftsman to operate it."
"Chapter 3 : Southshore
With the safe return of the Elves from the loathsome clutches of the Orcs, the Council of Silvermoon has resolved to combine the armies of Quel'thalas with those of the Alliance of Lordaeron. As a show of their support, a mighty fleet of Elven Destroyers have been sent to help safeguard the Lordaeron mainland"
it was pretty clear in Second War that high elves have been fully coordinating with Alliance even before the attack on Quel'thalas. Until Blizzard fully retconned that it was just Alleria and her rangers who went against their king's order and high elves basically did nothing before Horde attacked Quel'thalas.
It is a pretty major retcon that Blizzard conjured to make sense of their TBC dramatic lore decision.
I don't know whether Turtle devs take pre-TBC lore of '"high elves were always cold and look down on Alliance races" narrative or WC2 lore. I think it will have impacts on tone of the future high elf story.
I also feel sorry for devs that they have to handle lore mess of TBC errors and try to correct it. I also would like to hear your opinion about this. Please let me know what you think. Sorry for this long write and some grammar issue as english not being my first language.
The retail lore can be messy and convoluted at times, with various inconsistencies and contradictions. The writers may have made certain decisions to serve the needs of the game's story or gameplay mechanics, which may have resulted in some inconsistencies or retcons.
Regarding the Thalassian elves' relationship with the Alliance, the Warcraft II lore suggests that the high elves had a cooperative and amicable relationship with the Alliance, as you mentioned. Still, the retcon in later expansions portrays them as being more aloof and distant towards the Alliance, primarily due to the events of the Second War.
The developers of Turtle WoW may choose to take either the pre-TBC or the WC2 lore as the basis for their interpretation of the Thalassian elves, depending on their creative direction and narrative goals. It is essential to note that any changes or adaptations they make to the lore should respect the existing Warcraft canon and be coherent with the game's overall story.
In conclusion, the retconning of Thalassian elves' lore and relationship with the Alliance has been a point of discussion among Warcraft fans. While the retail lore can be messy at times, it is up to the developers of Turtle WoW to decide which version of the lore they want to follow and how they will integrate it into their game's narrative.
Then TBC happens, writers villain-batted Alliance for no setup, no reasons just for fan services. Turns out distorting your own lore and bending your principles have lasting damages upon WoW for years to come. Many TBC lore retcon still have serious impacts on retail lore
About Turtle, I like narratives of high elves so far. I guess Second War story will play very minor role here as story of high elves will be mainly about rebuilding and future. Whatever action they take, i will be fine with it i think.