World Buffs & Cross-faction Stacking Rules

[Remmo87]

The only mistake you might have made there is saying
"You know it"


No, i don't know it. The question is should Paladins blessings stack?
And should Shamans totems stack?

No, i do not think they should.
And i do not know anything that would make me think otherwise.
If this is not the question, i think the question is worded very wrong.

EDIT:
If your point is correct, im convinced the questions should have been worded:
"Should shamans totems stack with paladins blessings?"

My answer to that would be yes.

Thats not the case though.
The question has been worded:
"Should Shaman's totems +(and) Paladin's blessings stack?"

My answer to that is NO

[Kefke]

Split that hair any finer, and you'd need a microscope to see it...

[Remmo87]

Split that hair any finer, and you'd need a microscope to see it...

Thats ok. But im not splitting it any finer than this.
Doesnt matter really, cos it seems like it will be a "yes" vote.

Lets hope they worded the question wrong.

[Luuk]

Should warlocks be unable to summon a demon when a hunter pet is in their team? Should Arcane intellect overwrite PW:F? Should druids be locked out of cat form when they have a rogue in their team?

So Arcane Intellect should also stack?
So if there's 7 mages you can have 7 AI on you?
Same as PW:F ?

Ain't that what we are talking about?

No.

The point is that paladins and shamans get punished for grouping together while all other classes have nothing to worry about.

[Lightwave]

Split that hair any finer, and you'd need a microscope to see it...

Thats ok. But im not splitting it any finer than this.
Doesnt matter really, cos it seems like it will be a "yes" vote.

Lets hope they worded the question wrong.

You seem to be misinterpreting the point of this poll, deliberately or not.
Turtle WoW has a system in place that prevents you from benefiting from Paladin Buffs and Shaman buffs of the same nature at the same time. For example, Blessing of Wisdom will be removed by Mana Spring Totem.

This Poll isn't about making multiple instances of the buffs stack with themselves, it's about allowing an individual to benefit from Totems and Blessings at the same time.

[Remmo87]

So for Luuk and Lightwave;


Lets hope you are right, and all will be good.
Its a really unfortunate wording of the question in that case.
If i am misinterpreting the point of the poll, im sure many others that voted "no" are aswell.

[Ovaron]

Its been 5 months since this poll started. Yet still no official answer is givin.
Devs / Orga could at least share their concern with us.
Some people earlier in this thread demanded the world buff meta because farm runs would take significally longer. But so it takes quite some time to gather all those buffs. Not to mention when you loose them early on, even more so if you are the only one.

As others mentioned, buff stacking would greatly improve shamans without even buffing them directly.

Please consider at least some insight of the decision on this matter.

Regards

[Fischminister]

So is anything happening here or is it just feeling the waters?

[Schwarzschild]

Should warlocks be unable to summon a demon when a hunter pet is in their team? Should Arcane intellect overwrite PW:F? Should druids be locked out of cat form when they have a rogue in their team?

So Arcane Intellect should also stack?
So if there's 7 mages you can have 7 AI on you?
Same as PW:F ?

Sorry, but what a cheap straw man. Not even gonna honor this with more words -.-

[Schwarzschild]

So is anything happening here or is it just feeling the waters?

Your guess is as good as anyone's. The poll has been sitting at 75% vs 25% for months, with no reaction by a dev whatsoever.

[Redmagejoe]

I have heard some murmurs that there will be some big news related to this topic and a similar mechanical change that will be very popular with all players nearer to when other content news is dropped.

Patience now, and get hype.

[Remmo87]

Should warlocks be unable to summon a demon when a hunter pet is in their team? Should Arcane intellect overwrite PW:F? Should druids be locked out of cat form when they have a rogue in their team?

So Arcane Intellect should also stack?
So if there's 7 mages you can have 7 AI on you?
Same as PW:F ?

Sorry, but what a cheap straw man. Not even gonna honor this with more words -.-

That's ok. So i guess your answer is "no"

[Tamm]

Stackable buffs look absurd imo

[Lightwave]

Compromise:
Split Raids into 2 tiers.
Easier/early raids don't allow world buffs.
Harder/later raids (like Naxx) where you really need the extra power will allow them.
This keeps the Chronoboon relevant for endgame raiders, but removes pressure from early ones.

[Shamma]

Compromise:
Split Raids into 2 tiers.
Easier/early raids don't allow world buffs.
Harder/later raids (like Naxx) where you really need the extra power will allow them.
This keeps the Chronoboon relevant for endgame raiders, but removes pressure from early ones.

Pressure? U feel any pressure getting WBs before going to MC/ZG?!

[Kairion]

Compromise:
Split Raids into 2 tiers.
Easier/early raids don't allow world buffs.
Harder/later raids (like Naxx) where you really need the extra power will allow them.
This keeps the Chronoboon relevant for endgame raiders, but removes pressure from early ones.

Really get the worst of both worlds. Ensuring noone is having fun with big numbers in easy raids and keeping wipes in the difficault raids needlessly punishing

But then to really drive the shitty experience home, get rid of chronoboon, so people can not save their worldbufffs past the oneshotting bosses.

[Schwarzschild]

So Arcane Intellect should also stack?
So if there's 7 mages you can have 7 AI on you?
Same as PW:F ?

Sorry, but what a cheap straw man. Not even gonna honor this with more words -.-

That's ok. So i guess your answer is "no"

TBC has shown how it can be done (different kinds of buffs stack; same kinds do not). Period.
TBC finished a lot of trains of thoughts that were begun in Vanilla. Adopting certain TBC aspects is 100% in line with a Vanilla+ philosophy.

[Remmo87]

Sorry, but what a cheap straw man. Not even gonna honor this with more words -.-

That's ok. So i guess your answer is "no"

TBC has shown how it can be done (different kinds of buffs stack; same kinds do not). Period.
TBC finished a lot of trains of thoughts that were begun in Vanilla. Adopting certain TBC aspects is 100% in line with a Vanilla+ philosophy.

Thats perfectly fine. Aslong as totems dont stack with totems and blessings dont stack with blessings

[Redmagejoe]

Thats perfectly fine. Aslong as totems dont stack with totems and blessings dont stack with blessings

That was never on the table. It has always been about Paladin Blessings and Auras stacking with Shaman Totems, since long before this thread was ever made in direct response to the long-running conversation surrounding the controversial restrictions.

[Remmo87]

Thats perfectly fine. Aslong as totems dont stack with totems and blessings dont stack with blessings

That was never on the table. It has always been about Paladin Blessings and Auras stacking with Shaman Totems, since long before this thread was ever made in direct response to the long-running conversation surrounding the controversial restrictions.

If thats the case, no biggie

[Schwarzschild]

This entire thing here "same kinds of buffs stacking" (i.e., multiple Arcane Brilliances or MotWs) to me seems like sidetracking trolling. Who came up with that nonsense? Who ever thought this was what anyone suggested?? I'm afraid some troll got his/her way here...

[Remmo87]

This entire thing here "same kinds of buffs stacking" (i.e., multiple Arcane Brilliances or MotWs) to me seems like sidetracking trolling. Who came up with that nonsense? Who ever thought this was what anyone suggested?? I'm afraid some troll got his/her way here...

No i actually thought that was the case.

[Shamma]

This entire thing here "same kinds of buffs stacking" (i.e., multiple Arcane Brilliances or MotWs) to me seems like sidetracking trolling. Who came up with that nonsense? Who ever thought this was what anyone suggested?? I'm afraid some troll got his/her way here...

I am often being amazed at how ppl interpret stuff they read in a completely wrong way. But it is definitely not trolling. I got friends IRL, who misunderstand what imo is common sense and obvious, by misinterpreting what is being said/written in most ridiculous ways. I think it is that these people are born with some brain connection different from the rest of us. Like a minor disability mental issue, which allows them to function properly in society in almost every way, but making sense of statements that are not 100% clear causes them to misinterpret them in these funny ways. Maybe it has to do with the order of the words in the sentence. Dunno. But it is a definite phenomenon, which occurs in a good portion of the population.

[Remmo87]

Thank you for your faith in the way i function in society,
despite my misinterpretation of the main question of the thread.

[Surpuppa]

Remove world buffs but make loot of the world bosses better instead so people still go out and do them

[Kairion]

Remove world buffs but make loot of the world bosses better instead so people still go out and do them

What do worldbosses have to do with it? most of them are killed on cd by the guilds that can, that hardly sounds like they need to drop even better

[Schwarzschild]

Thank you for your faith in the way i function in society,
despite my misinterpretation of the main question of the thread.

Maybe it's cuz I'm a TBC fanboy that it was immediately clear to me (different kinds of buffs stack, no world buffs, no debuff limit)
Again, a good Vanilla+, naturally, has gameplay elements that TBC introduced. After all, TBC is Vanilla+ transplanted into an insufficiently small game world with pointless flying mounts :-P

[Remmo87]

Thank you for your faith in the way i function in society,
despite my misinterpretation of the main question of the thread.

Maybe it's cuz I'm a TBC fanboy that it was immediately clear to me (different kinds of buffs stack, no world buffs, no debuff limit)
Again, a good Vanilla+, naturally, has gameplay elements that TBC introduced. After all, TBC is Vanilla+ transplanted into an insufficiently small game world with pointless flying mounts :-P

It's probably because I'm new to crossfaction that it was not clear to me. I wasnt aware that that buffs didnt already stack.
And if it was me, i would word the question differently.

Instead of "pally buffs + shaman totems stack", i would write, "Pally buffs stack with shaman totems"


Anyways......

[Snakeman]

No, removing WBs will not in any way affect progression raids. During progression you wipe on every corner. You are mostly running w/o WBs! What it will affect is the weekly mindless repetition of already cleared raids by making them take somewhat longer as well as speed running times!

It absolutely was. When we in old tabc were progging naxx, we only ever got our first kills of loatheb, maexna, patchwerk, when we had world buffs. These prog walls would have lasted much much much longer.

i didnt see this post til now but old tabc is one guild. not every guild is going to have the same experience as old tabc

Been in naxx prog for about a month and a half now and not once has leadership decided, hey, everyone, go pick up world buffs before raid this weekend. Because it's progression! We're there to throw ourselves against a wall for four hours. Naxx is so much more mechanics heavy (usually) as well that it's better just to bring plenty of consumes for stat buffs rather than relying on your entire raid keeping their dragonslayer through content you don't explicitly have on farm yet. Nobody had world buffs for our first Loatheb kill.

To be fair, scaling has probably had a slight effect (and iirc there was a boss armour nerf at some point?) but you absolutely don't need world buffs to prog naxx unless your entire raid is sitting in like molten core bis or something

edit: imo, they're mostly just a crutch that allow you to ignore certain mechanics during prog. nothing more

[Surpuppa]

Remove world buffs but make loot of the world bosses better instead so people still go out and do them

What do worldbosses have to do with it? most of them are killed on cd by the guilds that can, that hardly sounds like they need to drop even better

Sorry I was under the impression that you got buffs from them. Dont know where I got that from then

[Schwarzschild]

Thank you for your faith in the way i function in society,
despite my misinterpretation of the main question of the thread.

Maybe it's cuz I'm a TBC fanboy that it was immediately clear to me (different kinds of buffs stack, no world buffs, no debuff limit)
Again, a good Vanilla+, naturally, has gameplay elements that TBC introduced. After all, TBC is Vanilla+ transplanted into an insufficiently small game world with pointless flying mounts :-P

It's probably because I'm new to crossfaction that it was not clear to me. I wasnt aware that that buffs didnt already stack.
And if it was me, i would word the question differently.

Instead of "pally buffs + shaman totems stack", i would write, "Pally buffs stack with shaman totems"


Anyways......

Fair enough. Point taken.