Shaman Damage Types

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Shaman Damage Types

Post by Moojaji » Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:15 pm

Does everyone like the fact that the shaman does all three in damage, or should it be more one type. Also, Resto is understood as nature, but shouldn't it be closer to frost? Since it's technically water magic we use. Just some thoughts, for example, should the three trees focus on one type each? I know we'll never get the true damage of holy (paladin), but even with the resistance throughout azeroth, should we still be type focused?

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Post by Voodoochile » Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:47 pm

The majority of Shaman's magic dmg is nature. Getting counterspelled while casting any spell as shaman will show you that.

And technically, Chain Heal and (implied by the same type of visual effects) healing wave are granted either by the Loa or through Voodoo, as it is the Shadow Hunter's ability in Warcraft 3 alongside the Healing Totem, and, if the haters of the Troll Druid concept are to be believed, Shamans don't heal through nature magic.
>Futhermore, I think that Shaman should be reworked.
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Re: Shaman Damage Types

Post by Cecilc » Mon Jun 16, 2025 7:48 pm

They did change it to water-ish as time went on and in retail

Riptide, cloudburst… so on, there’s more water sound too

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Post by Forumdweller » Mon Jun 16, 2025 11:16 pm

thats the tradeoff for having 6k armor, healing and insta casts with built in kick.

lorewise you could say lightning spells (elemental) and resto spells are different forms of magic but balance wise they should be on the same schools. one of the things blizzard devs did very well so many years ago

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Post by Moojaji » Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:38 am

The only thing that could hit us bad, and it does so often, is the being locked out of everything but our flame shock or frost shock

Having 6k armor and instant heals....pallies have an instant heal, an instant fap, etc, and they wear plate....

And yes, the spells are different schools, whether blizz wants to say otherwise, as far as spell type, holy type, deals true damage, since holy resistance doesn't exist in Azeroth, albeit potions and such, but the mobs themselves don't have it naturally

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Post by Forumdweller » Tue Jun 17, 2025 11:28 am

Palas can't kick someone every 6 sec.

In fact, they don't have a kick at all.

They also can't shoot people from 36 yards.

And they definitely can't do that to 3 people at the same time with 1.5 chain lightning attacks.

Paladin also faces the same issue shamans face with their skills being locked primarily to one spell school - holy. Yes, a melee class can be spell locked out of their damaging attacks.
So I'm not sure what your point is.

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Post by Moojaji » Tue Jun 17, 2025 11:53 am

Forumdweller wrote: Tue Jun 17, 2025 11:28 am Palas can't kick someone every 6 sec.

In fact, they don't have a kick at all.

They also can't shoot people from 36 yards.

And they definitely can't do that to 3 people at the same time with 1.5 chain lightning attacks.

Paladin also faces the same issue shamans face with their skills being locked primarily to one spell school - holy. Yes, a melee class can be spell locked out of their damaging attacks.
So I'm not sure what your point is.
Pally stun...uncountered

Defensives make them capable of closing the gap easily

CL doesn't do that anymore, in fact, that was the ele shaman with specific build and gear, originally

Pally getting locked doesn't kill him, locking a pally just turns them into a warrior, still melee dmg heavy

Shamans have nothing like this, the pally having several Oh Sh*t buttons already puts them up there

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Post by Forumdweller » Tue Jun 17, 2025 12:45 pm


Pally stun...uncountered
not even by horde of shamans in bg spamming grounding totems, which don't even get destroyed when they neutralize an ability, only when directly attacked?

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Post by Moojaji » Tue Jun 17, 2025 4:33 pm

Forumdweller wrote: Tue Jun 17, 2025 12:45 pm

Pally stun...uncountered
not even by horde of shamans in bg spamming grounding totems, which don't even get destroyed when they neutralize an ability, only when directly attacked?
I play shaman, and as cool as the new grounding totem is, I honestly would have been alright with it's original take.

What we really needed was Tremor totem being able to be cast during effects, and working 100%, not a chance to remove effects, and have it with a longer cooldown, so it can't make itself or the shaman overpowered

The totem removals or reworks are just no good honestly

But going back to the original convo, we need more focus in our three types of damage, not mid spells for each

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