New players have no chance in PvP

[Forumdweller]

good,

we need less people who que in level 40 greens with spirit stats to stop clogging up the bg rosters

and more people who are actually good enough at the game to know that CC, proper targetting and teamplay wins BG's not raw power

[Eversongwoods]

The best pvp gear should be from pvp. Blizzard realized this after vanilla so just because this is based on vanilla does not mean we should have to be stuck with it. If you dont want to do some scripted battles with a boatload of nerds then you gotta grind your face off for thousands of hrs, quit your job,neglect kids to get rank 14 and still be undergeared against people who kill some scripted npc's.

[Forumdweller]

The best pvp gear should be from pvp. Blizzard realized this after vanilla so just because this is based on vanilla does not mean we should have to be stuck with it. If you dont want to do some scripted battles with a boatload of nerds then you gotta grind your face off for thousands of hrs, quit your job,neglect kids to get rank 14 and still be undergeared against people who kill some scripted npc's.

? pve gear was bis in pvp for a very long time throughout the games best balanced pvp patches

this icludes tbc and wotlk

[Eversongwoods]

A full bis pvp geared player would destroy a player in full bis pve gear in every expansion after vanilla. There was some weapons and trinkets people would raid for, mostly in wotlk but aside from that it was always pvp gear>pve gear for pvp so TWoW should go that route, a few exceptions doesn't hurt.

[Forumdweller]

A full bis pvp geared player would destroy a player in full bis pve gear in every expansion after vanilla. There was some weapons and trinkets people would raid for, mostly in wotlk but aside from that it was always pvp gear>pve gear for pvp so TWoW should go that route, a few exceptions doesn't hurt.

actualy the opposite for mages, they would opt for more than half of their gear to be pve and resil was an afterthought, it wasn't just for weapons or trinkets

the same is for many other classes. even full glass cannon wlocks could opt for primarily pve gear and absolutely destroy in BG's

haste>resilience is almost universally true for casters in this expac

basically pve gear counters pvp gear but pvp also counters pve

[Zulnam]

ZG, AQ20, Kara10, MC as well as some of the new end game dungeons all have gear that help you get started.


a freshly dinged 60 getting stomped in pvp is universal regardless of MMORPG, especially so when it comes to old servers.

[funeh]

Not everyone is naxx gear. Once u start getting some of your t2 items you start to be relevant. Ofc ull get oneshoted once in a while, but it's still teamplay so act accordingly to it.

[Caos]

The fact that this happens in most MMOs is not a reason to keep it like this.
Even naxx geared players winne when the noob in greens or blues is placed in their team.

The problem is obviously that raiding gear goes from 66ilvl to ~96ilvl which is clearly too much powercreep for a healthy pvp environment.
If they don't want to nerf raid gear, there could be a NPC in the BG starting areas that "lends" some basic 66ilvl epics so new players can do something.

[Santander]

Is a fresh 60 getting stomped by a veteran geared player a normal part of the WoW experience? Yes.
Is the disparity worse on Turtle than literally any other iteration of WoW? Also yes.