So, frost is now screwed in everything.

[Gattare]

In pvp, our core damage, the crit chance granted by shatter crashed from 50% to 35%. In exchange, our new miracle, Icicles, is basically useless in PVP.
In pve, Fire and Arcane are becoming damage monsters, and we get "More playability" by becoming a bomb that blows itself up when hit by even a smallest AoE.
They also murderd the most iconic ability of 60s mages in the last 20 years by cutting the slow from 65% to 40% in Improved Blizzard(same as plain frostbolt now).
Great, now we are nothing, and they are becoming blizzard. They must have thought we turned our backs on retail and came here just because we liked more change，lmfao.

[Bigsmerf]

Yeah, kinda sad the kinds of changes frost got. Don't worry though, you're still busted in PvP, and damage is great in PvE. Not like you don't do more or equal damage in comparison to arcane/fire but... I guess that's just how the ice block shatters.

[Xudo]

Right now I level mage and aiming for AoE farm with spec 0/24/27. Idea is to buff Flamestrike critchance to 56% with Frost Nova and fire talents and let mobs to Ignite.
In Vanilla, I used to AoE farm too, but my main ability was Cone of Cold. It slows for 60% now as before without any talents. It is more convenient than blizzard, because you are not anchored to single point.

If you can't AoE farm with mage after patch, it is totally skill issue.

[Grizb37]

In pvp, our core damage, the crit chance granted by shatter crashed from 50% to 35%. In exchange, our new miracle, Icicles, is basically useless in PVP.
In pve, Fire and Arcane are becoming damage monsters, and we get "More playability" by becoming a bomb that blows itself up when hit by even a smallest AoE.
They also murderd the most iconic ability of 60s mages in the last 20 years by cutting the slow from 65% to 40% in Improved Blizzard(same as plain frostbolt now).
Great, now we are nothing, and they are becoming blizzard. They must have thought we turned our backs on retail and came here just because we liked more change，lmfao.

Sorry, what?

[Bahamutxd]

1 - Lower Winters Chill ranks from 5 to 3 (33/66/100%)
2 - Lower Shatter Ranks from 5 to 3 or make it 50% again
3 - Blizzard needs a damage buff (enable crits with talent Improved Blizzard?)
4 - Talented Blizzard needs to slow more than hunter traps (60%)
5 - Flash Freeze shouldn't be locked to freeze inmune targets - rework how the buff is gained.
6 - Merge Ice/Frost Armors, not sure why this did not happen if Warlocks got a similar treat with their armors.

[Ataika]

5 - Merge Ice/Frost Armors, not sure why this did not happen if Warlocks got it.

big brain boy right there

[Akos1896]

5 - Merge Ice/Frost Armors, not sure why this did not happen if Warlocks got it.

big brain boy right there

Yeah, melt water armor is good.

[amanagor]

In pvp, our core damage, the crit chance granted by shatter crashed from 50% to 35%. In exchange, our new miracle, Icicles, is basically useless in PVP.
In pve, Fire and Arcane are becoming damage monsters, and we get "More playability" by becoming a bomb that blows itself up when hit by even a smallest AoE.
They also murderd the most iconic ability of 60s mages in the last 20 years by cutting the slow from 65% to 40% in Improved Blizzard(same as plain frostbolt now).
Great, now we are nothing, and they are becoming blizzard. They must have thought we turned our backs on retail and came here just because we liked more change，lmfao.

why the f are you complaining? frost is still significantly better than ele/enha in pve, and the best spec in the game for pvp in warsonng /Ab you know its not a kill based game? try using your toolkit to actually win the game by peeling and being annoying, and you will realise that frost is indeed very strong. They have not nerfed the most op part about frost, which is rank 1 frostbolt. so you're fine, just a skill issue.

[Xudo]

4 - Flash Freeze shouldn't be locked to freeze inmune targets - rework how the buff is gained.

Yeah. Lets just spam Icicles all the time with 400% cast speed.

[Atreidon]

Ye right, flash freeze in pvp. If you honestly believe that, find yourself a paladin, duel him, let him cast bof - nova him to trigger flashfreeze, click icicles to win the duel on the spot, come back and tell us if you think that is a good pvp interaction

[Jammyzz]

Ye right, flash freeze in pvp. If you honestly believe that, find yourself a paladin, duel him, let him cast bof - nova him to trigger flashfreeze, click icicles to win the duel on the spot, come back and tell us if you think that is a good pvp interaction

It's a free win whenever an ice mage sees someone pop a fap. Which before was some classes only chance at beating them. And this buffoon thinks ice mages have been nerfed in PvP. Lol.... Lmao even.

[Fizzler]

In pvp, our core damage, the crit chance granted by shatter crashed from 50% to 35%. In exchange, our new miracle, Icicles, is basically useless in PVP.
In pve, Fire and Arcane are becoming damage monsters, and we get "More playability" by becoming a bomb that blows itself up when hit by even a smallest AoE.
They also murderd the most iconic ability of 60s mages in the last 20 years by cutting the slow from 65% to 40% in Improved Blizzard(same as plain frostbolt now).
Great, now we are nothing, and they are becoming blizzard. They must have thought we turned our backs on retail and came here just because we liked more change，lmfao.

why the f are you complaining? frost is still significantly better than ele/enha in pve, and the best spec in the game for pvp in warsonng /Ab you know its not a kill based game? try using your toolkit to actually win the game by peeling and being annoying, and you will realise that frost is indeed very strong. They have not nerfed the most op part about frost, which is rank 1 frostbolt. so you're fine, just a skill issue.

I do think that pvp here is basically rock paper scissors. Thought I agree that shamans got the short end of the stick for cc2.

[Bayanni]

Frost mage can still farm with CoC and still has it's whole tool kit available with added damage in multiple places. I don't think they're really shafted anywhere aside from blizzard slows but you'd just have to spec a bit differently and be fine.

Frost was never the dps spec and was only used in raiding because arcane was trash (even though you were still technically arcane when you did frost in raids) and MC/BWL were fire resistant/immune raids. Now, arcane is good and fun, so it gets top billing and frost is relegated to pvp and farming where it's still a monster.

[amanagor]

In pvp, our core damage, the crit chance granted by shatter crashed from 50% to 35%. In exchange, our new miracle, Icicles, is basically useless in PVP.
In pve, Fire and Arcane are becoming damage monsters, and we get "More playability" by becoming a bomb that blows itself up when hit by even a smallest AoE.
They also murderd the most iconic ability of 60s mages in the last 20 years by cutting the slow from 65% to 40% in Improved Blizzard(same as plain frostbolt now).
Great, now we are nothing, and they are becoming blizzard. They must have thought we turned our backs on retail and came here just because we liked more change，lmfao.

why the f are you complaining? frost is still significantly better than ele/enha in pve, and the best spec in the game for pvp in warsonng /Ab you know its not a kill based game? try using your toolkit to actually win the game by peeling and being annoying, and you will realise that frost is indeed very strong. They have not nerfed the most op part about frost, which is rank 1 frostbolt. so you're fine, just a skill issue.

I do think that pvp here is basically rock paper scissors. Thought I agree that shamans got the short end of the stick for cc2.

shamans ALWAYS get the short end of the stick on turtle though.