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Post by Alienns » Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:01 am

Dear Turtle WoW team.
This is not me alone writing this post, many ppl from PVP agree to someone finally nned write this post.

We want You to Draw Attention that something is very wrong with PVP on Nordanaar realm. What i mean. As Alliance player we have huge issue like:

1. Most of time, Horde Players in 70-80 cases have more players in BG than Alliance...
2. Before 2 Years, Horde lose practically every PVP BG, so some of Devs in TW team changed code on Server side so "someone... somehow.." can have more players in BG which was not even possible in official Vanilla WoW. NEVER! how do i know? easy, got ~320.000 honor kills only in Vanilla and Rank 14. Check Here > https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en ... zak/paopao
3. Most of time horde have 1-3 even 6 players more in same BG, Maybe 70+ screenshots i have as proof can help.
4. Alliance have also sometimes more players in some BG, but that is one of like 15 times.
5. When Alliance capture flag in AB, NPC`s around that flag especially Mine that can not be targeted are still horde undead, not converted to humans as they should. So that also is bugged and that was NEVER happen in official WoW. I got hundreds of screenshots from that time 2005-2006 and can also proof that.
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6. I forgot to add, many alliance leave asap when they see 2-3 players more and what is even worst in that case, Horde got MORE players in even when our player left crying_turtle....
7. Sometimes we fight 10 minutes as 9 vs 11 and guess what, no one join on our side to fill 10 playhers in WSG even Horded have 11. Hello.. Of course everyone on Ally side is frustrated and no one want to play any more after that kind of games.

We just want to PVP be as it was before, not moded by someone who "think" that is better.
If you want i can post Screenshots like i said 70+ screenshot as proof.

We do not ask to nerf any class or anything, just limit players to default as it was before!
Thank you.

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Post by Bigsmerf » Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:13 am

Okay, now tell us all the problems horde PvPers have so we can solve both side's problems.
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Post by Alienns » Fri Aug 30, 2024 2:29 am

Bigsmerf wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:13 am Okay, now tell us all the problems horde PvPers have so we can solve both side's problems.
If you have problems you will write it down already.

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Post by Springboards » Fri Aug 30, 2024 5:03 am

its a bug, if they queue as group then it lets everyone in their group come in. Seems like more horde players are social and queue as group while alliance are lone wolves

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Post by Mezzomixx » Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:19 am

[quote=Alienns post_id=100394 time=1724979687 user_id=599497]
Dear Turtle WoW team.
[b]This is not me alone writing this post, many ppl from PVP agree to someone finally nned write this post.[/b]

We want You to Draw Attention that something is very wrong with PVP on Nordanaar realm. What i mean. As Alliance player we have huge issue like:

1. Most of time, Horde Players in 70-80 cases have more players in BG than Alliance...
2. Before 2 Years, Horde lose practically every PVP BG, so some of Devs in TW team changed code on Server side so "someone... somehow.." can have more players in BG which was not even possible in official Vanilla WoW. NEVER! how do i know? easy, got ~320.000 honor kills only in Vanilla and Rank 14. Check Here > [url]https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en ... zak/paopao[/url]
3. Most of time horde have 1-3 even 6 players more in same BG, Maybe 70+ screenshots i have as proof can help.
4. Alliance have also sometimes more players in some BG, but that is one of like 15 times.
5. When Alliance capture flag in AB, NPC`s around that flag especially Mine that can not be targeted are still horde undead, not converted to humans as they should. So that also is bugged and that was NEVER happen in official WoW. I got hundreds of screenshots from that time 2005-2006 and can also proof that.
edit:
6. I forgot to add, many alliance leave asap when they see 2-3 players more and what is even worst in that case, Horde got MORE players in even when our player left crying_turtle....
7. Sometimes we fight 10 minutes as 9 vs 11 and guess what, no one join on our side to fill 10 playhers in WSG even Horded have 11. Hello.. Of course everyone on Ally side is frustrated and no one want to play any more after that kind of games.

We just want to PVP be as it was before, not moded by someone who "think" that is better.
If you want i can post Screenshots like i said 70+ screenshot as proof.

We do not ask to nerf any class or anything, just limit players to default as it was before!
Thank you.
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LoL . you're complaining about the fact that Horde have more Players but your OP Paladins oneshot every with 3.5k crit ....yeah

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Post by Mezzomixx » Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:21 am

LoL. Sie beschweren sich darüber, dass die Horde mehr Spieler hat, aber Ihre OP-Paladine machen jeden Oneshot mit 3500 Crits ... ja

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Post by Grizb37 » Fri Aug 30, 2024 12:18 pm

We had a game yesterday in WSG 14v9.... I mean why hasn't this bug been fixed in over a year... Only seems to have gotten worse angry_turtle_hea

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Post by Hardcorehygge » Fri Aug 30, 2024 12:41 pm

As a Horde player, I can acknowledge that there are times when we have more players in a battleground than the Alliance, but as you've pointed out, the reverse also happens. But from my experience, both Horde and Alliance seem to win a similar number of battlegrounds overall. So far, the battleground experience on Turtle WoW has been a pleasure, especially compared to other private servers and even Classic. It's refreshing not to encounter premade groups in every match, particularly as someone who often plays solo. Overall its seem pretty balanced to me.

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Post by Geojak » Fri Aug 30, 2024 12:55 pm

Alienns wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:01 am Dear Turtle WoW team.
This is not me alone writing this post, many ppl from PVP agree to someone finally nned write this post.

We want You to Draw Attention that something is very wrong with PVP on Nordanaar realm. What i mean. As Alliance player we have huge issue like:

1. Most of time, Horde Players in 70-80 cases have more players in BG than Alliance...
2. Before 2 Years, Horde lose practically every PVP BG, so some of Devs in TW team changed code on Server side so "someone... somehow.." can have more players in BG which was not even possible in official Vanilla WoW. NEVER! how do i know? easy, got ~320.000 honor kills only in Vanilla and Rank 14. Check Here > https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en ... zak/paopao
3. Most of time horde have 1-3 even 6 players more in same BG, Maybe 70+ screenshots i have as proof can help.
4. Alliance have also sometimes more players in some BG, but that is one of like 15 times.
5. When Alliance capture flag in AB, NPC`s around that flag especially Mine that can not be targeted are still horde undead, not converted to humans as they should. So that also is bugged and that was NEVER happen in official WoW. I got hundreds of screenshots from that time 2005-2006 and can also proof that.
edit:
6. I forgot to add, many alliance leave asap when they see 2-3 players more and what is even worst in that case, Horde got MORE players in even when our player left crying_turtle....
7. Sometimes we fight 10 minutes as 9 vs 11 and guess what, no one join on our side to fill 10 playhers in WSG even Horded have 11. Hello.. Of course everyone on Ally side is frustrated and no one want to play any more after that kind of games.

We just want to PVP be as it was before, not moded by someone who "think" that is better.
If you want i can post Screenshots like i said 70+ screenshot as proof.

We do not ask to nerf any class or anything, just limit players to default as it was before!
Thank you.
This bug was introduced after twow made changes to try fix the blood ring ghost queues almost two years ago. They never bothered to fix Thai bug even after multiple bug reports on the old githib tracker. This is a rly severe bug, which is frequent, obvious and impactful. Still no fix in 2 years. It's maddening.

And mezzomix who came here just to say ".... But paladins" absolute clowns

The bug about ab mines has also been reported on githib 2 years ago. Fixing bugs is seemingly not a priority, but it's also quite minor unlike the other bug

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Post by Springboards » Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:15 pm

Mezzomixx wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:21 am LoL. Sie beschweren sich darüber, dass die Horde mehr Spieler hat, aber Ihre OP-Paladine machen jeden Oneshot mit 3500 Crits ... ja
Mate, go Allaince side Horde got much more t2.5/t3...there is a reason why Horde queues are 15-20 min while Allaince are instant. Also any class can hit 3k-4k burst once they get T2.5...warlock=seduce into sbolt/conflag combo with coil and sburn/dots , thats roughly 5k dmg right there. Shaman 1.5k LB into 1k shock thats 2.5k, mage shatters go into 2.5k+, spriests...horde is much more op with racials like Warstomp and hardiness but the real reason is just so many more are raid geared. i can count on my fingers how many atieshes alliance side has while horde is overflowing with them

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Post by Bigsmerf » Sat Aug 31, 2024 6:21 am

Alienns wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2024 2:29 am
Bigsmerf wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:13 am Okay, now tell us all the problems horde PvPers have so we can solve both side's problems.
If you have problems you will write it down already.
I don't. Because I'm not a PvPer. Apparently you do PvP though, so you should know these things. Write 'em down yourself.
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Post by Shockoladetwo » Sun Sep 01, 2024 7:05 am

Bigsmerf wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2024 6:21 am
Alienns wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2024 2:29 am
Bigsmerf wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:13 am Okay, now tell us all the problems horde PvPers have so we can solve both side's problems.
If you have problems you will write it down already.
I don't. Because I'm not a PvPer. Apparently you do PvP though, so you should know these things. Write 'em down yourself.
Question would then be why you comment in a PvP related threat if you don't pvp?
The Imbalancing or people ghost queueing still happens every day. Would also appreciate if some develoeprs digged into it to fix that.

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Post by Bigsmerf » Sun Sep 01, 2024 8:41 am

Shockoladetwo wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2024 7:05 am
Bigsmerf wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2024 6:21 am
Alienns wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2024 2:29 am

If you have problems you will write it down already.
I don't. Because I'm not a PvPer. Apparently you do PvP though, so you should know these things. Write 'em down yourself.
Question would then be why you comment in a PvP related threat if you don't pvp?
This might as well be a rhetorical question. I can speak on whatever topic I wish, and that's that. I'm just asking for some horde sided PvP problems because Alienn's initial post seemed to have some pretty heavy bias.
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Post by Elduro » Thu Sep 05, 2024 2:10 am

If the server was alliance sided in population, it would be a horde problem and someone would write about it. Sometimes I have seen this bug benefiting alliance, this bug should not be up for anyone.

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Post by Alienns » Fri Sep 06, 2024 2:49 am

This was happen today.
It was equal on start, than after 10 min in the middle of fight, more horde start to pouring and they got 4 players more!?!? Even to the end we did not have our 15 player cap... unhappy_turtle

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and Yesterday...

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Guess he is proud how they win...

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Post by Alienns » Fri Sep 06, 2024 3:02 am

Or this WSG before few days..

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I got 50 screenshots if you want i can post and also have FOUR (4) where alliance have more players!

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Post by Setris » Tue Oct 08, 2024 8:55 am

I am just entering BG scene as Ally and this still seems to be an issue. Why it takes so long for devs to prioritize critical issue like this one? We are inable to play BGs without a fix... I am here mainly for PVP, so that means i am unable to login at all untill a fix drop...

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Post by Buhfur » Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:09 am

Everyone is pointing fingers at this being a faction issue, but the real problem at hand is that a core system of the battlegrounds functionality is broken. Regardless of faction, both teams should have the same number of players. I haven't checked the Git history myself, so I can't verify whether this issue has truly been known for some time and has been ignored. However, given the screenshots provided, I don't believe it's unreasonable to point out such an obvious technical issue, which has most likely been pushed to the back burner in favor of releasing the new patch as soon as possible.

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Post by Astrallizard » Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:19 am

You can find the bug report here:

https://turtle-wow.org/bug-report?id=3239

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Post by Buhfur » Tue Oct 08, 2024 10:10 am

Astrallizard wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:19 am You can find the bug report here:

https://turtle-wow.org/bug-report?id=3239
Thanks for the link! Very unfortunate this has gone on for so long :( . I hope we receive a fix soon !

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Post by Alienns » Wed Oct 09, 2024 3:15 am

Buhfur wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 10:10 am
Astrallizard wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:19 am You can find the bug report here:

https://turtle-wow.org/bug-report?id=3239
Thanks for the link! Very unfortunate this has gone on for so long :( . I hope we receive a fix soon !
They do not need to fix anything. Just revert to default as it was before. I play here almost a year i never see that new BG :( no one queue for that :( Delete that bg and make other BG as it was in original vanilla.

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Post by Alienns » Sun Oct 20, 2024 10:31 pm

Still nothing is fixed...
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Post by Alienns » Sun Oct 20, 2024 10:33 pm

It`s getting even worst..
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Post by Alienns » Sun Oct 20, 2024 10:34 pm

More proof..
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Post by Assteeriix » Sun Oct 20, 2024 11:26 pm

thats why I give up on bgs playing a wsg of 8 vs 10 its boring and shit

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Post by Springboards » Mon Oct 21, 2024 9:32 am

are you magashka?its ok the way you play you just hold 1 flag or usually fight in mid so not like you try to win any games any way. absolutely irrelevant

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Post by Vafi » Mon Oct 21, 2024 9:51 am

I played like 2 WGS at 60, win's were 1-1, most of the time I get on AV, Horde side, and there is almost always couple of Allys more than Horde, even when Horde pushes to bridge, they get turtled and destroyed, I saw maybe 2 Horde AV wins and I lost count how many ally, mostly do to them going behind a fence at the entrance to two towers in Horde base, going behind fence till the waterfall and than getting in on the Horde gy flag easy backdooring it, while Horde can't get past the bridge in front of ally base...I'm also noob to Vanilla and have no gear so I went to AV do to not wanting to get reck with Naxx on noob crime in other BG's lol, I agree about fixing numbers, there need's to be 1 for 1 getting in BG, cause I think most ppl Afk in que, it pops, thay don't accept and other side did so now you got 1 on other side while first side didn't, fix it, make it join only after all accept or something.

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Post by Atreidon » Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:47 am

Springboards wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2024 9:32 am are you magashka?its ok the way you play you just hold 1 flag or usually fight in mid so not like you try to win any games any way. absolutely irrelevant
The skill of the player is completely irrelevant here.

Wsg is a 10v10 bg arathi 15v15 Having more than the max allowed player number of one faction in it is absolutely gamebreaking and ruins the experience for everyone involved

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Post by Alienns » Mon Oct 21, 2024 7:26 pm

Atreidon wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:47 am
Springboards wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2024 9:32 am are you magashka?its ok the way you play you just hold 1 flag or usually fight in mid so not like you try to win any games any way. absolutely irrelevant
The skill of the player is completely irrelevant here.

Wsg is a 10v10 bg arathi 15v15 Having more than the max allowed player number of one faction in it is absolutely gamebreaking and ruins the experience for everyone involved
Exactly
As usual Horde have 2-3 players more, that is for Alliance one more base to cap.

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Post by Eversongwoods » Mon Oct 21, 2024 7:57 pm

they probably consider each paladin as two players which seems fair to me

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Post by Alienns » Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:42 am

Today, 12 AB all 12 AB horde have 1-3 players more... And ppl are pis... You should read AB chat.. neutral_turtle_head

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