Windfury nerfs

[Staywhimsy]

If i wanted to roll ehnancement for flashy Little numbers popping on the screen due tò damage being spread into stupid filler spamming and shields proccing I would've rolled a shaman on wotlk or later expansions.

You literally had other ways to buff ehna shaman support role and damage without butchering its vanilla identity. True, the spec felt Half finished but you could take inspiration from the tbc ehna and not the spamming shitshow that started in wotlk and culminated in silly retail rotations.


All those flashy changes and we still don't have a defensive CD or a decent cc. A spell like shamanistic rage could've helped a long way both in pvp and pve for mana regen. A talent like unleashed rage would've boosted the support role of the ehna without butchering It. Now we have ehn shaman wotlk lite.

At least Nerf the damage of the new abilities and bring wf back to was its Always been. Don let It die for the sins of custom. 15% proc and 6 second internal coldown Is Total bullshit.

[Harkus]

>complains about new rotation supposedly being like WotLK enh
>wants WotLK enh abilities
The new enh spec isn't like WotLK at all, you don't build charges to make your ranged shaman spells instant casts nor do you use two 1Handers... it's about managing your shield (stacks) and flame shock and giving you an extra button to press. If you want enh to be nothing but an ''I wait for WF'' Nightfall bot you can go to the many other Vanilla servers. And I am glad Turtle is for the most part NOT copying WotLK and future expansions for their class changes, that would be very boring. If you want stuff from future expansions, just play those instead?

[Staywhimsy]

>complains about new rotation supposedly being like WotLK enh
>wants WotLK enh abilities
The new enh spec isn't like WotLK at all, you don't build charges to make your ranged shaman spells instant casts nor do you use two 1Handers... it's about managing your shield (stacks) and flame shock and giving you an extra button to press. If you want enh to be nothing but an ''I wait for WF'' Nightfall bot you can go to the many other Vanilla servers. And I am glad Turtle is for the most part NOT copying WotLK and future expansions for their class changes, that would be very boring. If you want stuff from future expansions, just play those instead?

What are you talking about? Have you ever played ehna shaman during its lifespan as a spec? Both shamanistic rage and unleashed rage were implemented in tbc.

The "new" ehn Is about managing shitty flashy numbers on your screen like shields for proc damage and shitty flameshock ticks? If for you vanilla shaman ehn was Boring you don't have to play It. I joined here because It was vanilla+, no funserver custom or wotlk lite.

This Is the shitty iteration that ehna got from wotlk onward: changes could've been made differently to mantain the vanilla ehn shaman identity.
Lower cooldown on stormstrike, like 8 sec. Passive proc chance of shields as a talent without adding another Attack. Unleashed rage to buff raid on your dps rotation. Shamanistic rage both for pve and pvp, a burst CD to increase wf proc chance to 100 or a passive One increasinf It based on hp left ( that obviously shouldnt work on players)

[Atreidon]

Shamanistic rage is just an option for restoring mana. Twow shaman has their own option to do that with a even stronger elemental focus.

The new enhancer however is a farce. In order to "give you buttons to press" they have first reduced the buttons to press by relegating totems to being macroed in and pressed at the beginning of combat all at once and the shields being made way longer lasting to not have to refresh it as often (literal reason from the class council). Twisting has even been made impossible to do even for the people who want to.

All in the name of giving shaman an extra instant attack that resulted in windfury having to be nerfed as a result.

Enhancement might now be a playable spec, but its as far removed from its classic implementation as is the wotlk version. Not a single spell in enhancement shamans skillset reains unchanged.

Not even Flurry has made it trough the change unharmed. It is now 50% as strong as it was.

[Grizb37]

Enhance in vanilla was boring.. Literally just auto attack and pray for a WF proc... I don't get people who enjoy that style.

[Atreidon]

Enhance in vanilla was boring.. Literally just auto attack and pray for a WF proc... I don't get people who enjoy that style.

One mans trash is another mans treasure. Im pretty sure noone likes every 27 specs the game offers, but every single one of them is someones favorite.

Besides, shaman is boring because he is oom in 20 seconds, not because the spells in his kit were not fun to click

[Staywhimsy]

Enhance in vanilla was boring.. Literally just auto attack and pray for a WF proc... I don't get people who enjoy that style.

Fair opinion. And if you don't like ehn shaman in vanilla you Just roll another spec or class.
PS. Its funny to talk about "Boring" classes when most of them spam 1-2 spells in pve

[Staywhimsy]

Shamanistic rage is just an option for restoring mana. Twow shaman has their own option to do that with a even stronger elemental focus.

The new enhancer however is a farce. In order to "give you buttons to press" they have first reduced the buttons to press by relegating totems to being macroed in and pressed at the beginning of combat all at once and the shields being made way longer lasting to not have to refresh it as often (literal reason from the class council). Twisting has even been made impossible to do even for the people who want to.

All in the name of giving shaman an extra instant attack that resulted in windfury having to be nerfed as a result.

Enhancement might now be a playable spec, but its as far removed from its classic implementation as is the wotlk version. Not a single spell in enhancement shamans skillset reains unchanged.

Not even Flurry has made it trough the change unharmed. It is now 50% as strong as it was.

Those changes are Just wrong IMHO. This Is a 20+ years old, you can find Min maxing guild and guilds that Just let people enjoy the class/spec combination they Always preferred. There was no Need to bring ehn on par with other pure dps specs. The spec Just Needed and ehnance to its core vanilla identity

[Springboards]

people were complaining that "enhancement runs out of mana to quickly"-which it doesnt that is why you use hybrid things with str, stam and int(https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=20617 for example) , so they literally got what they wanted since enh was running out of mana too quickly--nerfed dmg at the cost of extra mana. no wonder you were running out you got 0 int on that shaman and couldnt think things thru, both literally and figuratively

[Springboards]

Enhance in vanilla was boring.. Literally just auto attack and pray for a WF proc... I don't get people who enjoy that style.

the burst dmg is really good, being able to instantly delete a warrior is amazing

[Staywhimsy]

Water shield was an huge upgrade for mana in solo. Still It Needed to proc somewhere even in dungeons/raid.

A passive proc chance of It on hits or plain shamanistic rage would've been enough. No One rolled ehn shaman pve to be top dps.

[Staywhimsy]

people were complaining that "enhancement runs out of mana to quickly"-which it doesnt that is why you use hybrid things with str, stam and int(https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=20617 for example) , so they literally got what they wanted since enh was running out of mana too quickly--nerfed dmg at the cost of extra mana. no wonder you were running out you got 0 int on that shaman and couldnt think things thru, both literally and figuratively

Ehna runs out of mana quickly, especially if you are totem twisting. But that problem could've been addressed in a less brutal way.

Those changes are so shitty, would've known that a spec would've been butchered like this i'd have never invested time on It.

I can't believe that those changes came from an ehn main: no ehn main on a vanilla server would've rolled One to be top dps. This Is no more vanilla+, this Is Total custom class change

[Starlove]

I agree. I just joined this server and rolled a shaman before seeing these changes, and now I'm disturbed by the philosophy that led to this.

The idea of shaman tank sounds fun, though it also seems to lack in ability to be crit immune for raids. Eh, maybe it shouldn't, but it sure would be really nice to have shamanistic rage for the mana gain and not new spammy abilities (I know twisting is being killed).