There is no more enjoying the game

[Ggmyfriend01]

How good is your PvE server thats how bad is your PvP balance.

keep focus on PvE just dont promote your server that has pvp as well cuz is the worst of all time!

out of balance with all this new abilities, items, the fight dont last even 3 sec anymore..
Everything is about who burst first.
Where is the fun ? like the old days?? You forget how vanilla? how Classic was?
Slowly u take the original and nostalgico game out!
With your all this Skins, illusions, mounts... tmogs etc.. Every single bgs facing gnomes druid, shamans, Rare i see Taur, trolls, orcs in fights.. where that game? what is this bs..?

[Elisleris]

You can go into Kara40 and have fun

[galapagos]

epoch soon and this shit tanks

[ForumGentleman]

epoch soon and this shit tanks

Turtle does have to work on its PvP scene, not denying that.

but Epoch is just literally another pve server lol

TBC talents? Zero hype for that

[Nilay]

TWoW is a slow project. I like it, and I still have fun in PVP, but I can understand your feeling :)
If inbalances pain you to this point, then perhaps it's time to try other pservers. I don't see anything on the horizon before the 1.19.
Don't play something if it stoppes you from having a good time ! You time is precious !

[Voodoochile]

Real shit, I think of Twow's biggest mistakes has been promoting their pvp with a dedicated pvp server. Now they essentially have barbs on their lands from the unhappiness of being baited into a horrible pvp scene

[galapagos]

epoch soon and this shit tanks

Turtle does have to work on its PvP scene, not denying that.

but Epoch is just literally another pve server lol

TBC talents? Zero hype for that

and what are turtle post cc2 talents? arcane mage is what youd expect to see on ascension

[ForumGentleman]

epoch soon and this shit tanks

Turtle does have to work on its PvP scene, not denying that.

but Epoch is just literally another pve server lol

TBC talents? Zero hype for that

and what are turtle post cc2 talents? arcane mage is what youd expect to see on ascension

They are working specialization like feral, enhancement, disc or even Beastmaster
All those specs are now usable and reasonably fun to play

Arcane is interesting BUT some aspects of it should be nerfed in PvP

[Grizb37]

I agree, they need to tone down the stupid immersion breaking illusions, they should drop off in combat like most do in vanilla, seeing Bear Druids as a Gnome is dumb too.

Orb should have an hour cooldown, but doesnt here for some reason.

[Allwynd01]

epoch soon and this shit tanks

Turtle does have to work on its PvP scene, not denying that.

but Epoch is just literally another pve server lol

TBC talents? Zero hype for that

Epoch will have Dwarf Shaman and Forsaken Paladin... what a joke, it has already shot itself in the foot lethally before it even launched. It shows it's not even lore-friendly, instead they do things like a fun server, "because why not".

[galapagos]

here you have people flying on smiley clouds, running around as worgen, having auctioneers follow them and you care about dwarf shamans and forsaken paladins. both of which are represented in 1.12 lore kek

[Grizb37]

I do enjoy the server, and ive played here for years

however I finally convinced my friend to try the server, and when he walked into orgrimmar for the first time, he just logged out and uninstalled.

Said it looked like some fantasy mash up land with all the crazy mounts and illusions, didnt represent anything that looked like classic WoW.

Thats why i wish theyd tone down some of the shop stuff.

[ForumGentleman]

epoch soon and this shit tanks

Turtle does have to work on its PvP scene, not denying that.

but Epoch is just literally another pve server lol

TBC talents? Zero hype for that

Epoch will have Dwarf Shaman and Forsaken Paladin... what a joke, it has already shot itself in the foot lethally before it even launched. It shows it's not even lore-friendly, instead they do things like a fun server, "because why not".

Indeed. That and the racial switch feature. I am not even a lore nerd; but Epoch is just going too far

That said; and as many ppl mentioned; turtle shoudl limit/slow down the use of illusion because this is getting quite ridiculous and immersion breaking

[Zeran]

Real shit, I think of Twow's biggest mistakes has been promoting their pvp with a dedicated pvp server. Now they essentially have barbs on their lands from the unhappiness of being baited into a horrible pvp scene

They baited themselves. The PvP server came on the tail-end of the Chinese player influx. The likely scenario is that they saw it as an opportunity to make more money, figuring the pop was big, without having to put in too much effort.

Then the twow pop stabilised again as a whole, and they surprise Pikachu faced that the server actually needs work to maintain and keep people happy.

[Allwynd01]

Indeed. That and the racial switch feature. I am not even a lore nerd; but Epoch is just going too far

That said; and as many ppl mentioned; turtle shoudl limit/slow down the use of illusion because this is getting quite ridiculous and immersion breaking

We will see how Turtle WoW becomes with time, it started pretty grounded, but if they go to extreme lengths to make it widely appealing, it will also turn into a fun server that's lore-unfriendly.

Real shit, I think of Twow's biggest mistakes has been promoting their pvp with a dedicated pvp server. Now they essentially have barbs on their lands from the unhappiness of being baited into a horrible pvp scene

They baited themselves. The PvP server came on the tail-end of the Chinese player influx. The likely scenario is that they saw it as an opportunity to make more money, figuring the pop was big, without having to put in too much effort.

Then the twow pop stabilised again as a whole, and they surprise Pikachu faced that the server actually needs work to maintain and keep people happy.

The PvP server released, because the server became popular and with that came people who want to do PvP and since Turtle WoW is a PvE server, they didn't want to ruin it for the majority of their population and released a separate PvP server to appease that emerging crowd. But the playerbase on the PvP server shows how little people care for it.

They only did it to make PvP people shut up. Now the reality hits that PvP is not popular on Turtle WoW, but those people still think if they are loud enough about it something will change. But it won't because it needs people and when people don't care about it, even if you gift them with BiS gear and instant level 60 and 10,000 gold or whatever, they will still not care about it. People prefer the PvE server so they can enjoy playing without being harassed by PvPers.

I've said this before to someone complaining that the PvP server wasn't getting enough love and told him the same thing - people just don't care about PvP and nothing being done will improve the server. He was in complete denial that this was not true and the server will prosper if proper measures are taken. Eventually his enthusiasm fizzled out when he came to terms with the truth.

[ForumGentleman]

Indeed. That and the racial switch feature. I am not even a lore nerd; but Epoch is just going too far

That said; and as many ppl mentioned; turtle shoudl limit/slow down the use of illusion because this is getting quite ridiculous and immersion breaking

We will see how Turtle WoW becomes with time, it started pretty grounded, but if they go to extreme lengths to make it widely appealing, it will also turn into a fun server that's lore-unfriendly.

Real shit, I think of Twow's biggest mistakes has been promoting their pvp with a dedicated pvp server. Now they essentially have barbs on their lands from the unhappiness of being baited into a horrible pvp scene

They baited themselves. The PvP server came on the tail-end of the Chinese player influx. The likely scenario is that they saw it as an opportunity to make more money, figuring the pop was big, without having to put in too much effort.

Then the twow pop stabilised again as a whole, and they surprise Pikachu faced that the server actually needs work to maintain and keep people happy.

The PvP server released, because the server became popular and with that came people who want to do PvP and since Turtle WoW is a PvE server, they didn't want to ruin it for the majority of their population and released a separate PvP server to appease that emerging crowd. But the playerbase on the PvP server shows how little people care for it.

They only did it to make PvP people shut up. Now the reality hits that PvP is not popular on Turtle WoW, but those people still think if they are loud enough about it something will change. But it won't because it needs people and when people don't care about it, even if you gift them with BiS gear and instant level 60 and 10,000 gold or whatever, they will still not care about it. People prefer the PvE server so they can enjoy playing without being harassed by PvPers.

I've said this before to someone complaining that the PvP server wasn't getting enough love and told him the same thing - people just don't care about PvP and nothing being done will improve the server. He was in complete denial that this was not true and the server will prosper if proper measures are taken. Eventually his enthusiasm fizzled out when he came to terms with the truth.

To be fair, I know many ppl in nordannar that like PVP and would have preferred a PvP server back when they created their characters but they are too much invested right now to reroll in TA

It doesn't mean 90% ppl on turtle prefer having a PVE server as ppl absurdly claim

[Allwynd01]

To be fair, I know many ppl in nordannar that like PVP and would have preferred a PvP server back when they created their characters but they are too much invested right now to reroll in TA

It doesn't mean 90% ppl on turtle prefer having a PVE server as ppl absurdly claim

I've been on this server since October 2018 and I've seen it when it had 150 players and what people cared about and now that it has 8000+ players and what it's about.

It started as a niche slow server with PvE and RP as the main focus, the XP rate was x0.5 and the point was to relax and do all content and interact with other people, even from the beginning you could join forces with the opposite faction. As the server grew, more people of all walks of life started playing and eventually caused the increase of toxicity. I'm not trying to make a correlation between toxicity in PvP, because it would be illogical and subjective.

Yes, you are right that some people wanted PvP when it was only PvE so that's how Warmode came to be. But even that didn't become very popular. I still stand behind what I said that the population on the PvP server is a testament to how many people are interested and serious about PvP and it's also a gauge how important it should be for the developers to focus on it and pour resources into it.

If people started on the PvE server when it was the only one, but now want to play on the PvP server, but are hesitant, because they're already invested and don't want to start over, this is just an excuse. If they wanted to be on the PvP server so badly, they would have moved long ago. But they don't, either because the population there is so low that they see no point, or because they actually don't want to be on a PvP server that much.

Let's imagine a hypothetical scenario where both servers get merged and it becomes one PvP server - what will happen is that more than 90% of the population will leave and will also be extremely unhappy with the change. This will only make it universally evident that PvP is not popular for the core Turtle WoW community.

It may seem that I don't like or care about the PvP server, but that's not true, I just don't like PvP and am more or less content with the state of the PvE server. I don't want the PvP server to go away, I just want people to stop drawing attention to it, because there is no point. First, it's a waste of internet space and second, there is no potential for it so talking about how it can be better is pointless, because there is not enough community interest in it. People creating thousands of threads about how to enrich the PvP server won't do anything if most people don't care about it. It will only show brand new players on the server that the PvP server is in a bad spot and actually deter them from playing there, effectively ensuring it stays in a bad spot that is potentially getting worse as time goes on. These people need to accept that the PvP server will not have 1000 or 2000 active players and it won't become more alive and either enjoy it for what it currently is and be thankful that it even exists or just give up and return to the PvE server, sure, they won't have open world PvP, but at least they will be able to do instanced PvP and not wait too long or be forced to play with the same few people who want to do it. Sometimes people just need to accept reality and stop with the wishful thinking that them writing letters to Santa will amount to anything, because Santa doesn't exist.

[ForumGentleman]

To be fair, I know many ppl in nordannar that like PVP and would have preferred a PvP server back when they created their characters but they are too much invested right now to reroll in TA

It doesn't mean 90% ppl on turtle prefer having a PVE server as ppl absurdly claim

I've been on this server since October 2018 and I've seen it when it had 150 players and what people cared about and now that it has 8000+ players and what it's about.

It started as a niche slow server with PvE and RP as the main focus, the XP rate was x0.5 and the point was to relax and do all content and interact with other people, even from the beginning you could join forces with the opposite faction. As the server grew, more people of all walks of life started playing and eventually caused the increase of toxicity. I'm not trying to make a correlation between toxicity in PvP, because it would be illogical and subjective.

Yes, you are right that some people wanted PvP when it was only PvE so that's how Warmode came to be. But even that didn't become very popular. I still stand behind what I said that the population on the PvP server is a testament to how many people are interested and serious about PvP and it's also a gauge how important it should be for the developers to focus on it and pour resources into it.

If people started on the PvE server when it was the only one, but now want to play on the PvP server, but are hesitant, because they're already invested and don't want to start over, this is just an excuse. If they wanted to be on the PvP server so badly, they would have moved long ago. But they don't, either because the population there is so low that they see no point, or because they actually don't want to be on a PvP server that much.

Let's imagine a hypothetical scenario where both servers get merged and it becomes one PvP server - what will happen is that more than 90% of the population will leave and will also be extremely unhappy with the change. This will only make it universally evident that PvP is not popular for the core Turtle WoW community.

It may seem that I don't like or care about the PvP server, but that's not true, I just don't like PvP and am more or less content with the state of the PvE server. I don't want the PvP server to go away, I just want people to stop drawing attention to it, because there is no point. First, it's a waste of internet space and second, there is no potential for it so talking about how it can be better is pointless, because there is not enough community interest in it. People creating thousands of threads about how to enrich the PvP server won't do anything if most people don't care about it. It will only show brand new players on the server that the PvP server is in a bad spot and actually deter them from playing there, effectively ensuring it stays in a bad spot that is potentially getting worse as time goes on. These people need to accept that the PvP server will not have 1000 or 2000 active players and it won't become more alive and either enjoy it for what it currently is and be thankful that it even exists or just give up and return to the PvE server, sure, they won't have open world PvP, but at least they will be able to do instanced PvP and not wait too long or be forced to play with the same few people who want to do it. Sometimes people just need to accept reality and stop with the wishful thinking that them writing letters to Santa will amount to anything, because Santa doesn't exist.

I agree on one main thing: pvp forum posts should be more positive. People babbling "thiS iS UtER trash Servor" with zero solutions are honestly just trolling at this point

Personally; I still have way more fun than on SOD - and I think cc2 patch is still mostly positive overall (as in, there are more fun specs to spec in PVP than before). Some stuff should be tweaked for sure

TA already has 1-2k active players. It is Monday now and we had almost 2k so it is FAR from being dead and it is constantly growing

Last point: I dont agree that devshould chose between pve and pvp. A cleverly designed talent will make a class shine in both PVE and PVP

As for content other than class design, I am confident even PVE purists wouldnt say no to a new BG or World pvp quests