COEX busted warlocks

[Ataika]

cc2 talent destribution changes made destro lock absurdly powerrful

As usual, some clueless noob from class council decided it will be a good idea to provide long range long lasting movement 50% imparing effect for a glass cannon spec with huge burst potential. As a resul we have these abominations running around molesting people.

Before turtle changes:
- COEX was a SM-RUIn build only spell that had full power (50% slow) only once per 3 minutes thanks to amplify curse talent. Now this talent is gone, and coex has baseline 50% slow thanks to 2 talent proxy gently placed into tier 2 line. Due to these chnages two of warlock's additional specs are now able to obtain this insane spell - destro and demo. Demo surely if a wet noodle that has been drastically nerfed and barely playable in pvp outside of warsong gulch stick delivery peeling bot, but destro on the other hand became a true unbalanced monster.

Proposing these changes to revert warlock talent destribution that do not affect pve guys, leveling guys but nerf current destro locks who stick their filthy paws into affliction tree. Destro tree wont be affected.

how its now <> how its changed

- COEX moved into tier 5 line as it should not be obtainable for every warlock spec
- Improved curses - moved into tier 3 line (specs that do not have access to COEX still may pick this up for Curse or Weakness buff)
- Soul siphon - moved into tier 3 line, the talent is useful for any lvling warlock, might fix the demo lock shittiest damage plus wont affect pve at all (any pve affliction lock picks it up anyway)

With the changes posted above destro lock kept its damage and gameplay intact but not longer have acess for busted COEX. On the other hand, SM-ruin still have access and the curse itself is not nerfed.

I expect many warlocks gonna butthurt cause current gameplay is so pleasant to let it go, but the balance must be restored.

[Allwynd01]

Is this the new "Paladin too OP, nerf Paladin" style of thread now? I had a Paladin, everyone called it OP, I never said a thing, it was nerfed, I never said a thing. I also have a Warlock which I was leveling during the change and still leveling, now it's OP according to you, I'm not really saying a thing, if enough people gather and chant the same as you, it might get nerfed, I won't say a thing too, but don't you see the common pattern here?

It's always people complaining about some class being OP and having to nerf it or vice versa - with classes being weak and needing to be buffed. It's just people who can't enjoy the game and constantly need to be complaining about something. Just play the game and enjoy it, if it's too hard, do something more fulfilling instead.

[Ataika]

I also have and still leveling,

Would like to hear counter arguments why current lock is not op but surely some gnomeregan low lvl boy hardly able to post one. Question is, why do i see your useless comment in my topic ?

[Rekarn]

It's hard to focus on your arguments with your trash attitude.

I see exhaustion early may be strong, but I do not like having it super deep in a tree early. Warlocks don't have mobility so giving them anti mobility seems fun. There should be a way to strike a balance.

What about nerfing the slow instead of moving it?

[Ataika]

What about nerfing the slow instead of moving it?

What percentages do you consider optimal ?

There should be a way to strike a balance.

There was a reason why blizzard gave destro locks Aftermath with a puny 10% proc chance.
They did understand how op it is to give free slow access to a burst spec with insane cc toolkit

[Isvya]

5000 hours
Everything was tested in full bis on target dummies
They dont care about pvp

[Manletow]

Rank 1 frostbolt is far more oppressive

not rly concerned with CoE tbh
mage/druid can remove it instantly anyway

[Allwynd01]

I also have and still leveling,

Would like to hear counter arguments why current lock is not op but surely some gnomeregan low lvl boy hardly able to post one. Question is, why do i see your useless comment in my topic ?

My condolences, I had no idea you were suffering from terminally online syndrome and you act like some game is your life. I retract my statements from earlier, it's your life, ruin it however you want, I wanted to provide some perspective, but apparently that's clearly needless for someone of your caliber.

Feel free to lose your sh*t over a game, I will continue try to enjoy it in my spare time, which is like 2 hours a week. Priorities change somewhere in life.

[Ataika]

Rank 1 frostbolt is far more oppressive

Rank 1 frostbolt requires a lot of talents spent to be strong.
Unlike COEX the 3 talent points nobrainer

Also its curse not magic, so unlike FrostBolt priests can not remove it for an example

I also have and still leveling,

Would like to hear counter arguments why current lock is not op but surely some gnomeregan low lvl boy hardly able to post one. Question is, why do i see your useless comment in my topic ?

My condolences, I had no idea you were suffering from terminally online syndrome and you act like some game is your life. I retract my statements from earlier, it's your life, ruin it however you want, I wanted to provide some perspective, but apparently that's clearly needless for someone of your caliber.

Feel free to lose your sh*t over a game, I will continue try to enjoy it in my spare time, which is like 2 hours a week. Priorities change somewhere in life.

Iam happy i gave you a nice shelter to fume
I sense a connection between us feel free to come and share your gnomegeran experience

[mentium]

Interesting point of view, could you please post the spec with 51 points spent? That would make simpler evaluate what warlock have to sacrefice, to have It. Things like demonic stamina or emberstorm? Or buff from improved soul Fire usually usefoul After seduction as opener.
Ty 4 feedback and tought sharing.

Benafflock

[Ataika]

Interesting point of view, could you please post the spec with 51 points spent? That would make simpler evaluate what warlock have to sacrefice, to have It. Things like demonic stamina or emberstorm? Or buff from improved soul Fire usually usefoul After seduction as opener.
Ty 4 feedback and tought sharing.

Benafflock

Helo
Its default nf-conflagrate build from vanilla that became much more powerful due to new coex the build did not have acess to previously

[Majestik51]

coex is only giving the wlock 1-2 sec extra free time to cast anything *cause destro spec is all about casting
and coex is also very ez dispellable.

in pvp if u play with this spec u show above, maybe u survive 2 more sec cause of coex curse, then u dead.
if u wont play demo spec in all bgs u cant survive as lock above 4-5 sec.

i agree destro is bis spec in entire game, but not ez to survive with it in bgs.....

[Halfgeek9]

Its irrelevant since the primary melee that need to get into melee range vs a lock can do so such as warrior intercept -> hamstring, fear immune.

What is this skill good against for a lock? A rogue out of stealth at range, ok, easy free win. But they were already easy win out of stealth to begin with.

Enhance shaman. Yup, you can kite them. But its a lame pvp spec for Shaman. :/

Hunters? If you dont have them seduced, you're going to die trying to get close to them without Soul Link spec.

That's about it.

[Ataika]

Its irrelevant since the primary melee that need to get into melee range vs a lock can do so such as warrior intercept -> hamstring, fear immune.

yeah unless you throw COEX at him and now warrior has to spend his trinket otherwise gettign kited hard at intecept distance
if he spents his trinket he can not tinket dedcoil, thats a huge win past cc2

What is this skill good against for a lock?

xdxddxd

That's about it.

You compeltely forgot about priest, back there prist can easy just run away and dispell shit dodging your burst if lock is not seduction bigbrain. now you throw coex and annihilate any priest spec, simply demolishing it without any chance, los is the only way but even there coex works insanely good, hard to run around a tree stump while dazed

you can shit all dots at druid and spam coex waiting for shadfowburn cooldown while running behind a druid who shapeshifts million times in attempt to run away under coex, insane utility for stick delivery kindergarden (warsong)

you can kite hunter pets for an eternity dodging all incoming damage and oushback (especially for affliction spells) just by repositioning. Back there you were trying to fear huntard pet while he chewed your arse, now you throw coex and fear the pet before it reaches you (coex nulifies any speed boost effects including mount speed). The curse is so cheap you can spam it all day

A rogue out of stealth at range, ok

Describe what you do if rogue caught you and you see cheap shot effect

[Trinaxyo]

Hey, I feel like I should also contribute to this topic since I've been on and off harrasing Turtle wow players in PvP for a few years now (Zergursoul here), deleting everyone basically every BG and now after this patch has been released I can for a fact say that adding CoE to destro changed warlock to an absolute god mode. It was the one thing that was missing for this spec to be this good in bgs. This class is already CC heavy and having no CD long range 50% slow is the perfect tool that made this spec top tier. If you play your cards correctly, it's does not matter that you are squishy, you have the tools to pretty much destroy everyone and survive any situation.

Being horde and having this vs the unreal amount of paladins in bgs is an absolute blessing; coe vs warrior pre charge absolutely destroys them; shamans can literally do nothing in 1v1; even rogues aren't a problem anymore since you can trinket stun into coil+coe+dot and you win (thanks to insignia buff); hunters can't run anaway from you; you can finally stop people running from you on mounts and the list goes on..

3 points for long lange 50% slow is just straight out ridiculous.. together with destro that's like having pom pyro every 10 seconds. Absolute minium of druids and mages on alliance side means coe almost never gets dispelled.

So yes, I have to 100% agree with Ataika here, I hate to say it, because I love it, but it either should be way down in the tree or max 20-30% slow.

[OPisprobablyretarded]

so instead of being with family and takin a day off the internet OP chose to go rage mode. I refer you to my account name.

[Xudo]

Assuming that slows of melee classes have a cooldown, I think it is right to see cooldown on this spell too. Lets start with 1 min.

[Eversongwoods]

They should just move it down some in the talent tree so you only see affliction locks with it since they are gank bait as it is now. Destro is the spec that locks are having success with so i dont think they all should be punished for it.

[Ataika]

Assuming that slows of melee classes have a cooldown, I think it is right to see cooldown on this spell too. Lets start with 1 min.

There is no point to throw a cooldown on it, it gonna punish affliction locks this cusre belongs to.
Either reduce the % or move down the tree.

[Allwynd01]

Iam happy i gave you a nice shelter to fume
I sense a connection between us feel free to come and share your gnomegeran experience

Whatever you say, the reality of the facts are:

The weak always complain, the strong adapt and evolve. You chose to be a weak complainer. You will be back here complaining about something else, because you aren't strong enough to adapt and evolve.

[Ataika]

The weak always complain, the strong adapt and evolve. You chose to be a weak complainer. You will be back here complaining about something else, because you aren't strong enough to adapt and evolve.

Yeah iam weak because i ask to nerf the spec iam playing.
Big brain pve boy.

Get lost

[Allwynd01]

Yeah iam weak because i ask to nerf the spec iam playing.
Big brain pve boy.

Yes, because constant complaining is flooding the forums with needless information that the developers have to sift through. And if they cater to everyone's demands, Turtle WoW can end up botched and soulless like TBC and onwards, because they listened to the sound of money rather than to reason.

Get lost

Make me.

[Ataika]

Yes, because constant complaining is flooding the forums with needless information

This topic does not contain any complaints, only your whimping.
Why should i complain when current COEX benefits me since iam playing warlock ?
I wrote a fact - coex is op for destro spec and has to be adressed, thats hardly a complaint.

There are no counter-arguments from your side why current COEX is fine and balanced, you are just producing useless posts base on your low lvl experience.

[mentium]

Interesting point of view, could you please post the spec with 51 points spent? That would make simpler evaluate what warlock have to sacrefice, to have It. Things like demonic stamina or emberstorm? Or buff from improved soul Fire usually usefoul After seduction as opener.
Ty 4 feedback and tought sharing.

Benafflock

Helo
Its default nf-conflagrate build from vanilla that became much more powerful due to new coex the build did not have acess to previously

Hi Ataika,
tested the spec in BG, was almost the same i were testing, just a swap on fel concetration putting in suppression for less resistance.
Surely is a very strong build with almost all tools of controls Warlock has at desposition, we r talking abut a glass cannon NF/Conflagrate build couse it lacks survivability from demo tree.
As u said COEX is very usefoul in some situation, expexially in some BG. I agree with u that could be moved to upper tier, couse destro IMAHO should focus more in procc Aftermath... the original style game of this spec.
Ty 4 sahring

Benafflock

[Baek]

cc2 talent destribution changes made destro lock absurdly powerrful

As usual, some clueless noob from class council decided it will be a good idea to provide long range long lasting movement 50% imparing effect for a glass cannon spec with huge burst potential. As a resul we have these abominations running around molesting people.

Before turtle changes:
- COEX was a SM-RUIn build only spell that had full power (50% slow) only once per 3 minutes thanks to amplify curse talent. Now this talent is gone, and coex has baseline 50% slow thanks to 2 talent proxy gently placed into tier 2 line. Due to these chnages two of warlock's additional specs are now able to obtain this insane spell - destro and demo. Demo surely if a wet noodle that has been drastically nerfed and barely playable in pvp outside of warsong gulch stick delivery peeling bot, but destro on the other hand became a true unbalanced monster.

Proposing these changes to revert warlock talent destribution that do not affect pve guys, leveling guys but nerf current destro locks who stick their filthy paws into affliction tree. Destro tree wont be affected.

how its now <> how its changed

- COEX moved into tier 5 line as it should not be obtainable for every warlock spec
- Improved curses - moved into tier 3 line (specs that do not have access to COEX still may pick this up for Curse or Weakness buff)
- Soul siphon - moved into tier 3 line, the talent is useful for any lvling warlock, might fix the demo lock shittiest damage plus wont affect pve at all (any pve affliction lock picks it up anyway)

With the changes posted above destro lock kept its damage and gameplay intact but not longer have acess for busted COEX. On the other hand, SM-ruin still have access and the curse itself is not nerfed.

I expect many warlocks gonna butthurt cause current gameplay is so pleasant to let it go, but the balance must be restored.

let's find out what class he plays? Definitely not a warlock and not a hunter, any other options?

[Mell]

Not warrior and rog

[Ataika]

let's find out what class he plays? Definitely not a warlock and not a hunter, any other options?

Your brain can not comprehend not all people are biased players like you.

[Bigsmerf]

cc2 talent destribution changes made destro lock absurdly powerrful

As usual, some clueless noob from class council decided it will be a good idea to provide long range long lasting movement 50% imparing effect for a glass cannon spec with huge burst potential. As a resul we have these abominations running around molesting people.

Before turtle changes:
- COEX was a SM-RUIn build only spell that had full power (50% slow) only once per 3 minutes thanks to amplify curse talent. Now this talent is gone, and coex has baseline 50% slow thanks to 2 talent proxy gently placed into tier 2 line. Due to these chnages two of warlock's additional specs are now able to obtain this insane spell - destro and demo. Demo surely if a wet noodle that has been drastically nerfed and barely playable in pvp outside of warsong gulch stick delivery peeling bot, but destro on the other hand became a true unbalanced monster.

Proposing these changes to revert warlock talent destribution that do not affect pve guys, leveling guys but nerf current destro locks who stick their filthy paws into affliction tree. Destro tree wont be affected.

how its now <> how its changed

- COEX moved into tier 5 line as it should not be obtainable for every warlock spec
- Improved curses - moved into tier 3 line (specs that do not have access to COEX still may pick this up for Curse or Weakness buff)
- Soul siphon - moved into tier 3 line, the talent is useful for any lvling warlock, might fix the demo lock shittiest damage plus wont affect pve at all (any pve affliction lock picks it up anyway)

With the changes posted above destro lock kept its damage and gameplay intact but not longer have acess for busted COEX. On the other hand, SM-ruin still have access and the curse itself is not nerfed.

I expect many warlocks gonna butthurt cause current gameplay is so pleasant to let it go, but the balance must be restored.

let's find out what class he plays? Definitely not a warlock and not a hunter, any other options?

Who's gonna tell 'em... Okay I'll do it.

Warlock. He plays warlock. He is quite literally asking to have his own class nerfed. Mald harder.

[Baek]

cc2 talent destribution changes made destro lock absurdly powerrful

As usual, some clueless noob from class council decided it will be a good idea to provide long range long lasting movement 50% imparing effect for a glass cannon spec with huge burst potential. As a resul we have these abominations running around molesting people.

Before turtle changes:
- COEX was a SM-RUIn build only spell that had full power (50% slow) only once per 3 minutes thanks to amplify curse talent. Now this talent is gone, and coex has baseline 50% slow thanks to 2 talent proxy gently placed into tier 2 line. Due to these chnages two of warlock's additional specs are now able to obtain this insane spell - destro and demo. Demo surely if a wet noodle that has been drastically nerfed and barely playable in pvp outside of warsong gulch stick delivery peeling bot, but destro on the other hand became a true unbalanced monster.

Proposing these changes to revert warlock talent destribution that do not affect pve guys, leveling guys but nerf current destro locks who stick their filthy paws into affliction tree. Destro tree wont be affected.

how its now <> how its changed

- COEX moved into tier 5 line as it should not be obtainable for every warlock spec
- Improved curses - moved into tier 3 line (specs that do not have access to COEX still may pick this up for Curse or Weakness buff)
- Soul siphon - moved into tier 3 line, the talent is useful for any lvling warlock, might fix the demo lock shittiest damage plus wont affect pve at all (any pve affliction lock picks it up anyway)

With the changes posted above destro lock kept its damage and gameplay intact but not longer have acess for busted COEX. On the other hand, SM-ruin still have access and the curse itself is not nerfed.

I expect many warlocks gonna butthurt cause current gameplay is so pleasant to let it go, but the balance must be restored.

let's find out what class he plays? Definitely not a warlock and not a hunter, any other options?

Who's gonna tell 'em... Okay I'll do it.

Warlock. He plays warlock. He is quite literally asking to have his own class nerfed. Mald harder.

if it's real and he sees that there is no balance. he will only get respect from me. Well, it seems to me that there is no such person.

[Baek]

let's find out what class he plays? Definitely not a warlock and not a hunter, any other options?

Your brain can not comprehend not all people are biased players like you.

I answered all your questions, even seemed to be clear. You still don't see or hear, then what are we talking about, when red you say green.

[Kerenis]

Interesting point of view, could you please post the spec with 51 points spent? That would make simpler evaluate what warlock have to sacrefice, to have It. Things like demonic stamina or emberstorm? Or buff from improved soul Fire usually usefoul After seduction as opener.
Ty 4 feedback and tought sharing.

Benafflock

Helo
Its default nf-conflagrate build from vanilla that became much more powerful due to new coex the build did not have acess to previously

Good luck playing that build in pvp. Youre dead after Death Coil

[Ataika]

Interesting point of view, could you please post the spec with 51 points spent? That would make simpler evaluate what warlock have to sacrefice, to have It. Things like demonic stamina or emberstorm? Or buff from improved soul Fire usually usefoul After seduction as opener.
Ty 4 feedback and tought sharing.

Benafflock

Helo
Its default nf-conflagrate build from vanilla that became much more powerful due to new coex the build did not have acess to previously

Good luck playing that build in pvp. Youre dead after Death Coil

Show your build

upd
lil kid too afraid to show his sick pvp build (default conflagrate stamina bot with 30 yards in affliction spells)

[Batkan]

Its not OP at all. Lock is totally immobile class, can't sprint, cant blink, cant nothing so giving him a slow is good. And also keep in mind if warlock curses with slow he can't curse of agony (dmg) so warlock has to be smart of what and when to use. Also mage and druids can decurse easy. This is great as it is.

You not saying frost mage op and has to many slows while already he can blink, frost nova etc.

[Madmane]

They dont care about pvp

And they shouldn't.

[Ataika]

Its not OP at all. Lock is totally immobile class, can't sprint, cant blink, cant nothing so giving him a slow is good. And also keep in mind if warlock curses with slow he can't curse of agony (dmg) so warlock has to be smart of what and when to use. Also mage and druids can decurse easy. This is great as it is.

You not saying frost mage op and has to many slows while already he can blink, frost nova etc.

One again, with cc2 coex introduction the vanilla 1.12 spec balance has been completely derailed
Previously you had to chose - tankiness for soul link - good affli cc but without destro burst - destro burst but without good affli cc
Now within these idiotic changes there is no reason to play something outside of conflagrate build because it has everything lock needs.

They are trying to fix this stuff and introduce dispell protection garbage (in burst meta kekw) and still wonder why their changes do not work and no1 plays affliction locks in pvp outside of few psychos