It's time to pay attention to the hunters.

[Baek]

Some get promoted, some get damage cuts. I have a question, when will they take care of hunters in pvp? They made recovery to cut wings, on poisons still introduced an accessory that removes the trap. Damage at low level is high, and in t3 it's completely cut. Now experts will rush in and write that hunters are doing well. But the statistics tell a different story. There are only a couple of hunters on BG. About the aiming shot in general, I'm silent, the spell has ceased to exist at all, and the reason for the usual cast 3 sec which carries 1700 damage is at best, but the shamans instantly at 1600 damage. Priests have the ability to smite instantly.
It's time for us to get something interesting, because the class looks bad.

[amanagor]

T3 hunter does insanely good damage in bgs and do quite well.

[Baek]

the only way that we're really gonna get a boost is
- % on instantaneous use of aimed shots
- reduction in the number of shots fired
- Increase penetration on chain mail and armor and armor plating
- increase the range of shooting on the classic client this talent in the hunters would be very strong, now it is dead.
- remove the dead zone (this is only because the synchronization in pvp lame)
- Perhaps give a mortal or removal of one effect as it was on BC.
At this stage of the game all physical classes suffer. Damage from magic is overestimated. It should be corrected and balanced. And we will soon play 10 paladins sv 10 shamans and maybe where between them priests and warlocks. You can throw slippers at me, but who understands at least a little bit in the balance will be for me.

[Baek]

T3 hunter does insanely good damage in bgs and do quite well.

I've been playing this beautiful game since 2005 and I've only gone through all the classics on hunter and I'll tell you. Initially the class was not bad, but after the changes in other classes it fell to the bottom and this I say for pvp. Too many instant spells.

[Ataika]

I've been playing this beautiful game since 2005 and I've only gone through all the classics on hunter and I'll tell you. Initially the class was not bad, but after the changes in other classes it fell to the bottom and this I say for pvp. Too many instant spells.

Throw an examples of new instant spells that ruin your gameplay

the usual cast 3 sec which carries 1700 damage is at best

Thats the multishot/turtleshot crit damage against cloth from geared hunter
Get gear

[Bigsmerf]

Hi, person who has a functioning brain here. Figured I'd give my working brain opinion cooked up by the wrinkly meat blob that pilots my body and creates cohesive thoughts.

Hunter is in a pretty decent spot overall. Naxx logs are showing mark as like... Top five DPS right now or something, and survival is actually alright too. If your concern is end game performance then the class isn't performing bad in the slightest. Beast mastery is really underperforming unfortunately, but it always has been.

I can't really speak for PvP though. I've had some hot takes about hunters and my thoughts have shifted so hard multiple times that I've kinda decided to just not have an opinion on the subject.

[amanagor]

Hi, person who has a functioning brain here. Figured I'd give my working brain opinion cooked up by the wrinkly meat blob that pilots my body and creates cohesive thoughts.

Hunter is in a pretty decent spot overall. Naxx logs are showing mark as like... Top five DPS right now or something, and survival is actually alright too. If your concern is end game performance then the class isn't performing bad in the slightest. Beast mastery is really underperforming unfortunately, but it always has been.

I can't really speak for PvP though. I've had some hot takes about hunters and my thoughts have shifted so hard multiple times that I've kinda decided to just not have an opinion on the subject.

The dude is just going into bgs with greens and blues and getting obliterated by t3 players and is using ghat experience to try to justify hunters getting buffed in pvp. Just an idiot.

[Baek]

I've been playing this beautiful game since 2005 and I've only gone through all the classics on hunter and I'll tell you. Initially the class was not bad, but after the changes in other classes it fell to the bottom and this I say for pvp. Too many instant spells.

Throw an examples of new instant spells that ruin your gameplay

the usual cast 3 sec which carries 1700 damage is at best

Thats the multishot/turtleshot crit damage against cloth from geared hunter
Get gear

I'm tired of explaining to you and I have no desire, when you have at least minimal rights on the server I will answer them. At this stage I see that you are simply writing in all the forum topics, although you yourself do not understand anything in the game. Thank you for your attention! All the best to you.

[Baek]

Hi, person who has a functioning brain here. Figured I'd give my working brain opinion cooked up by the wrinkly meat blob that pilots my body and creates cohesive thoughts.

Hunter is in a pretty decent spot overall. Naxx logs are showing mark as like... Top five DPS right now or something, and survival is actually alright too. If your concern is end game performance then the class isn't performing bad in the slightest. Beast mastery is really underperforming unfortunately, but it always has been.

I can't really speak for PvP though. I've had some hot takes about hunters and my thoughts have shifted so hard multiple times that I've kinda decided to just not have an opinion on the subject.

The dude is just going into bgs with greens and blues and getting obliterated by t3 players and is using ghat experience to try to justify hunters getting buffed in pvp. Just an idiot.

you are being treated will help you in the future. Although I am not very sure.

[Ataika]

I'm tired of explaining to you and I have no desire

Sometimes missin convo desire corellates with missin arguments, hope its not your situation.
Have a nice day sir

At this stage I see that you are simply writing in all the forum topics

Not true at all, there are many suggestions where you wont see my posts. Especially pve or rp ones.
But yeah sometimes i find some pvp suggestions and object em for the health of our lovely server.
You know, something like "yo guys my hunta cent conjure big magic icy prison becos my spell somehow affected by spell lock pls fix".

[Baek]

I'm tired of explaining to you and I have no desire

Sometimes missin convo desire corellates with missin arguments, hope its not your situation.
Have a nice day sir

At this stage I see that you are simply writing in all the forum topics

Not true at all, there are many suggestions where you wont see my posts. Especially pve or rp ones.
But yeah sometimes i find some pvp suggestions and object em for the health of our lovely server.
You know, something like "yo guys my hunta cent conjure big magic icy prison becos my spell somehow affected by spell lock pls fix".

what I'm talking about you don't understand pvp, that's why we have nothing to talk about. if you like pressing 2 buttons in pve, that's your right. I want to play the class completely and it deserves it. And not be inferior and everyone will be silent. Answer me one question, how many times do you press aimed shot during a game session?

[Ataika]

what I'm talking about you don't understand pvp

The situation is obvious - you are begging for biased advantages for your meme spec
Since this fairytale request has zero sane arguments in favor, you polish it with "stealthy traps" nonsense.

Huntard section is my favorite, there is alwasy a funny guy requesting some stuff you could have never imagined.

[Baek]

what I'm talking about you don't understand pvp

The situation is obvious - you are begging for biased advantages for your meme spec
Since this fairytale request has zero sane arguments in favor, you polish it with "stealthy traps" nonsense.

Huntard section is my favorite, there is alwasy a funny guy requesting some stuff you could have never imagined.

There was a question and you didn’t answer it. I don’t see any point in continuing the dialogue with you.

[Ataika]

There was a question and you didn’t answer it

Find any geared hunter
Open combat log track his damage and post it here

Together we will see hows huntard damage is doing.
Devs should not run and fix huntard just because you perform bad while wearing rags.

[Baek]

There was a question and you didn’t answer it

Find any geared hunter
Open combat log track his damage and post it here

Together we will see hows huntard damage is doing.
Devs should not run and fix huntard just because you perform bad while wearing rags.

and you're funny, I'm dressed well and with those with whom I went to BG, especially the Horde knows about it. Thank you for being the developers' advocate, I think if they want and test it, they'll see everything themselves. Your handful of sand is not interesting, you can't even answer the question. And I know why! You don't play as a hunter, and if they make him normal, you'll start suffering in tears and buying a new keyboard because you'll smash it with your fist.

[Ataika]

You don't play as a hunter

Breaking news my friend, you dont have to be a huntard pleya to test hunter damage.
Humanity invented combat log, and i see quite impressive damage by geared huntards, you are surely not one of them.

Once again, post combat logs to demonstrate low damage, or some stats. Any info ?
Currently your request looks biased

you'll start suffering in tears and buying a new keyboard because you'll smash it with your fist

Exactly, because huntard now is fine but will be overtuned if devs accept your biased suggestion.

[Baek]

You don't play as a hunter

Breaking news my friend, you dont have to be a huntard pleya to test hunter damage.
Humanity invented combat log, and i see quite impressive damage by geared huntards, you are surely not one of them.

Once again, post combat logs to demonstrate low damage, or some stats. Any info ?
Currently your request looks biased

you'll start suffering in tears and buying a new keyboard because you'll smash it with your fist

Exactly, because huntard now is fine but will be overtuned if devs accept your biased suggestion.

It's not news to me, I've laid you out on the shelves. I'm waiting for a log from the hunters who are shooting at you. There is only one difficulty: you need to find a hunter on BG, and seeing an aimed shot in the log is still a VERY big task. So I'm waiting.

[Ataika]

and seeing an aimed shot in the log is still a VERY big task

Obviously its a big task, no1 has to use aimed shot when devs gave you turtle shot the perfect filler and geared huntard's damage is enough to deal with a target.
I constantly see multishot+autoshot+turtle shot in combat logs and damage is very nice, especially against cloth.

[Baek]

and seeing an aimed shot in the log is still a VERY big task

Obviously its a big task, no1 has to use aimed shot when devs gave you turtle shot the perfect filler and geared huntard's damage is enough to deal with a target.

Why do we need this spell then? At least read what you write. Naturally, they will shoot at you with the ability that is better, if the aimed shot gave much more opportunity and note with a 6 sec recovery, you would get it in the face much more often.

[Ataika]

Why do we need this spell then?

Because its a situational skill that requires preparation and awareness, not a usual pew pew nobrain skillyou can always charge like turtle shot or multifart.
Why locks have soulfire ?

[Baek]

Why do we need this spell then?

Because its a situational skill that requires preparation and awareness, not a usual pew pew nobrain skillyou can always charge like turtle shot or multifart.
Why locks have soulfire ?

through the succubus, you make a trinket and get another 4 sec and in any case a good example flies in at 2000! And now we look at the damage of the aimed shot on the rag 1000 lol, and Warlock doesn't care about armor and the damage won't change. And in the future set he has a mortal in t3.5. Success!

[Ataika]

at the damage of the aimed shot on the rag 1000 lol

Look guys he did 1k damage against Ragnaros, thats why hunter pvp damage has to be buffed.
I should admire that was a nice one xddxd

[Baek]

at the damage of the aimed shot on the rag 1000 lol

Look guys he did 1k damage against Ragnaros, thats why hunter pvp damage has to be buffed.
I should admire thats was a nice one xddxd

I don't see any point in answering you anymore. I see you're going to reach 1000 worthless messages.

[Ataika]

at the damage of the aimed shot on the rag 1000 lol

Look guys he did 1k damage against Ragnaros, thats why hunter pvp damage has to be buffed.
I should admire thats was a nice one xddxd

I don't see any point in answering you anymore. I see you're going to reach 1000 worthless messages.

Please share your damage against Nefarian.
it might be a good argument to buff huntards in pvp.

[Baek]

notice you are the only one on this server in e know, a whole library. I don't understand why we need eyes if you have them

[Baek]

Look guys he did 1k damage against Ragnaros, thats why hunter pvp damage has to be buffed.
I should admire thats was a nice one xddxd

I don't see any point in answering you anymore. I see you're going to reach 1000 worthless messages.

Please share your damage against Nefarian.
it might be a good argument to buff huntards in pvp.

what does nefarian have to do with it? I'm clearly writing pvp to you. You might as well ask about damage to deer!

[Ataika]

notice you are the only one on this server in e know, a whole library. I don't understand why we need eyes if you have them

Less time posting more time searchign for combat logs to prove your words.
Go boi, Nefarian awaits

[Baek]

notice you are the only one on this server in e know, a whole library. I don't understand why we need eyes if you have them

Less time posting more time searchign for combat logs to prove your words.
Go boi, Nefarian awaits

I finished the dialogue with you, spamming one button on Nefarian will give you so much, in PvP the tank holds, and you press one button. Although according to your posts it is so.

[Ataika]

notice you are the only one on this server in e know, a whole library. I don't understand why we need eyes if you have them

Less time posting more time searchign for combat logs to prove your words.
Go boi, Nefarian awaits

I finished the dialogue with you, spamming one button on Nefarian will give you so much, in PvP the tank holds, and you press one button. Although according to your posts it is so.

Then post combat logs from battlegrounds.
Finds some targets shoot em and we will see how you are doing.

[Baek]

Less time posting more time searchign for combat logs to prove your words.
Go boi, Nefarian awaits

I finished the dialogue with you, spamming one button on Nefarian will give you so much, in PvP the tank holds, and you press one button. Although according to your posts it is so.

Then post combat logs from battlegrounds.
Finds some targets shoot em and we will see how you are doing.

Tell me how my analytics will go? I'm even interested?

[Baek]

Less time posting more time searchign for combat logs to prove your words.
Go boi, Nefarian awaits

I finished the dialogue with you, spamming one button on Nefarian will give you so much, in PvP the tank holds, and you press one button. Although according to your posts it is so.

Then post combat logs from battlegrounds.
Finds some targets shoot em and we will see how you are doing.

you will see that the character received 600 damage, Ooooh that's a lot or you will say that it's not enough and at that moment they will run to increase the damage. What nonsense are you talking about. It is clearly written what is missing, what does not play at all and what I would like to see for this appearance to appear in the log. And then you demand although you know perfectly well that the log will be crooked.

[Xudo]

I'm tired of explaining to you and I have no desire, when you have at least minimal rights on the server I will answer them. At this stage I see that you are simply writing in all the forum topics, although you yourself do not understand anything in the game. Thank you for your attention! All the best to you.

Люди принимающие решения не будут разговаривать с тобой лично. Они тут только читают.
Если хочешь изменений, тебе нужно аргументированно отвечать на вопросы других игроков. Разработчики прочитают твои аргументы и, если они убедительны, могут сделать какие-нибудь изменения. Но это не точно.
Недавно шаманы так убедили разработчиков что нужно улучшить талант на элемов.

The decision makers won't talk to you personally. They only read here.
If you want changes, you need to give reasoned answers to other players' questions. The developers will read your arguments and, if they are convincing, they may make some changes. But that's not certain.
Recently, the shamans convinced the developers that the elemental shaman talent needs to be improved.

[Baek]

I'm tired of explaining to you and I have no desire, when you have at least minimal rights on the server I will answer them. At this stage I see that you are simply writing in all the forum topics, although you yourself do not understand anything in the game. Thank you for your attention! All the best to you.

Люди принимающие решения не будут разговаривать с тобой лично. Они тут только читают.
Если хочешь изменений, тебе нужно аргументированно отвечать на вопросы других игроков. Разработчики прочитают твои аргументы и, если они убедительны, могут сделать какие-нибудь изменения. Но это не точно.
Недавно шаманы так убедили разработчиков что нужно улучшить талант на элемов.

The decision makers won't talk to you personally. They only read here.
If you want changes, you need to give reasoned answers to other players' questions. The developers will read your arguments and, if they are convincing, they may make some changes. But that's not certain.
Recently, the shamans convinced the developers that the elemental shaman talent needs to be improved.

I understand this perfectly, I will try to convey the information, the problem is that there are almost no playing hunters in pvp, I alone have very little information. If only someone else would join in, an understanding class. And not this troll in every topic.

[Ataika]

Tell me how my analytics will go? I'm even interested?

We will look at numbers, if they are low you are right
If they are artificially nerfed then you are posting biased suggestion.

I understand this perfectly, I will try to convey the information, the problem is that there are almost no playing hunters in pvp, I alone have very little information. If only someone else would join in, an understanding class. And not this troll in every topic.

By experienced hunters you mean whinny babies who vouch for any huntard buff regardles of balance ?

[Xudo]

People don't have to be hunters to participate in PvP discussions, because everyone play against them. Your enemies in battleground are your natural opponents in discussion like this. They are not interested in making you stronger.

Lets try to do it like it was done with shamans.

What is the role of hunters in group PvP? Which abilities are most important to fulfill that role?
Which class is hard counter to hunters? Why?

I imagine that hunters can guard healers from surprise attacks. They are living radars and can predict where enemies/fc are going and put traps there to interfere movements. They still can drain mana from enemy healers and do pushback pressure with pet and autoattacks. They can slow fc in ranged and in melee.
None of these roles require high damage.

Hunters don't have long casting high-damaging shot, but combination of autoshot, steady shot and multishot provide high damage in short timeframe.