Raid bosses immune to Vindication debuff.

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Raid bosses immune to Vindication debuff.

Post by Papum69 » Wed Jan 15, 2025 12:41 am

It is as the title say's. Why have a talent that supposedly should reduce by 3% off the damage done when an mob is debuffed by it, yet doesn't work against raid bosses?

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Re: Raid bosses immune to Vindication debuff.

Post by amanagor » Wed Jan 15, 2025 7:57 am

This is intended

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Re: Raid bosses immune to Vindication debuff.

Post by Atreidon » Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:08 am

amanagor wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 7:57 am This is intended
Demonstrably a statement pulled out of thin air or worse places.

There is a ticket for this issue opened on the 6. of january on this topic that is being assigned to the design team for investigation
https://turtle-wow.org/bug-report?id=11045

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Re: Raid bosses immune to Vindication debuff.

Post by amanagor » Wed Jan 15, 2025 9:43 am

Atreidon wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:08 am
amanagor wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 7:57 am This is intended
Demonstrably a statement pulled out of thin air or worse places.

There is a ticket for this issue opened on the 6. of january on this topic that is being assigned to the design team for investigation
https://turtle-wow.org/bug-report?id=11045
he is checking with the design team to see if its by design or not.

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Re: Raid bosses immune to Vindication debuff.

Post by Likaleo » Wed Jan 15, 2025 4:01 pm

amanagor wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 7:57 am This is intended
Adjustment: Vindication
Now gives a chance to reduce the target's damage by 1/2/3% for 10 seconds instead of reducing the target's Strength and Agility.

Developer Comment: Old Vindication was straight up not working against non-player enemies, due to mobs not having Agility and Strength values. It was often misleading, so we replaced it with a similar effect that actually works.

So what does developer mean when he say replaced with similar effect tha actually works? Why not leave the talent untouched if its not meant to work on pve mobs?

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Re: Raid bosses immune to Vindication debuff.

Post by Feomatar » Wed Jan 15, 2025 7:53 pm

Likaleo wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 4:01 pm
amanagor wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 7:57 am This is intended
Adjustment: Vindication
Now gives a chance to reduce the target's damage by 1/2/3% for 10 seconds instead of reducing the target's Strength and Agility.

Developer Comment: Old Vindication was straight up not working against non-player enemies, due to mobs not having Agility and Strength values. It was often misleading, so we replaced it with a similar effect that actually works.

So what does developer mean when he say replaced with similar effect tha actually works? Why not leave the talent untouched if its not meant to work on pve mobs?
Because they just nerfing paladin in pvp so shamas will stop whine (despite enh and elem have x2 damage compare to ret lel)

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Re: Raid bosses immune to Vindication debuff.

Post by Mao1989 » Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:19 am

To be straightforward, updated Vindication is 100% useless. It can not be used on Raid boss. If you just use on leveling or dungeon mobs, 3% is nothing. Before the changes, some ppl may use it to against melee classes and hunters. and It was put at the Rank 3 talent tree. But now, they nerfed it and make it to Rank 4. This does not make sense. It is just a trash talent now.

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Re: Raid bosses immune to Vindication debuff.

Post by amanagor » Tue Jan 21, 2025 7:31 am

Mao1989 wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:19 am To be straightforward, updated Vindication is 100% useless. It can not be used on Raid boss. If you just use on leveling or dungeon mobs, 3% is nothing. Before the changes, some ppl may use it to against melee classes and hunters. and It was put at the Rank 3 talent tree. But now, they nerfed it and make it to Rank 4. This does not make sense. It is just a trash talent now.
It seems to be in exactly the same boat as dampen/amplify magic that works against mobs but specificaly not against bosses. Seems like a clear design choice on the part of devs

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Re: Raid bosses immune to Vindication debuff.

Post by excin » Tue Feb 04, 2025 11:54 am

Dampen/amplify magic doesn't cost talent points, just make it a straight up pvp talent like in TBC.
At least we could call that vacant row of talent the pvp row.

"Gives the Paladin's damaging melee attacks a chance to reduce the target's attributes by 15% for 15 sec."

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Re: Raid bosses immune to Vindication debuff.

Post by amanagor » Tue Feb 04, 2025 11:57 am

excin wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 11:54 am Dampen/amplify magic doesn't cost talent points, just make it a straight up pvp talent like in TBC.
At least we could call that vacant row of talent the pvp row.

"Gives the Paladin's damaging melee attacks a chance to reduce the target's attributes by 15% for 15 sec."
dampen/amplify does cost a talent point to be able to be used on mobs, and it also does not work on bosses.

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Re: Raid bosses immune to Vindication debuff.

Post by excin » Tue Feb 04, 2025 12:03 pm

dampen/amplify is still useful on mobs, vindication isn't, The talent point investment isn't even comparable, and that's a whole row of dead talents. Your point is moot.

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Re: Raid bosses immune to Vindication debuff.

Post by amanagor » Tue Feb 04, 2025 12:48 pm

excin wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 12:03 pm dampen/amplify is still useful on mobs, vindication isn't, The talent point investment isn't even comparable, and that's a whole row of dead talents. Your point is moot.
no its not useful against mobs as its not worth the gcd to apply it.

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