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So Crowded

Post by Bluecenter » Sat Mar 11, 2023 7:35 pm

Is anything being done to address crowded questing areas? Over the last few weeks I've logged out numerous times just because every hunting/questing zone I've gone to is crazy crowded. I'm not just talking about STV/Darkshore/etc, the less popular zones have surged full of players.

Don't get me wrong, I like folks, but try getting 30 car parts in Shimmering Flats when 20+ other people are doing the same thing. :(

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Post by Sinrek » Sat Mar 11, 2023 8:40 pm

Nostalrius had about 7-13k ... talk about crowded.
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Post by Nattygwillikers » Sat Mar 11, 2023 9:56 pm

yeah, my wife and I are having the same problem. tried to do a quest this morning and everyone was dog piling the mobs as soon as we logged on... so we just logged back off lol. We don't do pvp and have several times rogues stand in front of mobs to get us to flag by accident by clicking them instead of looting. the chill "turtle vibe" is definitely gone with the influx lol

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Re: So Crowded

Post by Jongyi » Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:46 am

Nattygwillikers wrote:
Sat Mar 11, 2023 9:56 pm
yeah, my wife and I are having the same problem. tried to do a quest this morning and everyone was dog piling the mobs as soon as we logged on... so we just logged back off lol. We don't do pvp and have several times rogues stand in front of mobs to get us to flag by accident by clicking them instead of looting. the chill "turtle vibe" is definitely gone with the influx lol
Please don't be. Most of the ppl here are chill and friendly. Of course, there are some arseholes who tried to make ppl's experience as miserable as possible. Gankers and HC headhunters (people who stalk HC characters and kill as soon as they get flagged) are worst kind of ppl in this server. But aside from these occasional arseholes, most of folks here are friendly. Most of the time, we take turns to kill the quest target. Sometimes, we group with another for quest so that we don't have to wait too long for the quest mob.

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Re: So Crowded

Post by Xudo » Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:19 am

Bluecenter wrote:
Sat Mar 11, 2023 7:35 pm
Is anything being done to address crowded questing areas?
Volunteer players are filling github tickets to reduce respawn timers of various quest objects in world to help with crowded areas. I did a dozen and they were fixed super-fast.
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Post by Matches » Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:25 am

Nattygwillikers wrote:
Sat Mar 11, 2023 9:56 pm
yeah, my wife and I are having the same problem. tried to do a quest this morning and everyone was dog piling the mobs as soon as we logged on... so we just logged back off lol. We don't do pvp and have several times rogues stand in front of mobs to get us to flag by accident by clicking them instead of looting. the chill "turtle vibe" is definitely gone with the influx lol
Yeah. There's definitely a sociopath component in the WoW population. It kills servers - in the end, all the nice people leave and you're left with just the gankers.

How you solve this though, there's the question. Either it's manual, which will overwhelm the devs, or its automatic, and then it will have unintended consequences (and the sociopaths will do everything they can to exploit and abuse whatever mechanisms are introduced).

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Re: So Crowded

Post by Reploidrocsa » Sun Mar 12, 2023 11:02 am

I started leveling a new toon and with so much population i'm definitely leveling in the custom zones

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Post by Miggs » Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:33 pm

It's absolutely horrendous, can't progress so moving on elsewhere.

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Post by Reddguard » Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:44 pm

What about limiting the number of active players? Then it's less crowded and the devs can monitor more easily.

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Post by Heine » Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:55 pm

I've started 2 days ago a new toon and its ZERO problems to crawl little bit far from start location and get free space.
I''ve got 5 lvl grinding boars within 10 minutes while other chums were sitting crying at quest giver how location is crowded to get their 3 lvl.

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It's absolutely horrendous, can't progress so moving on elsewhere.
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Re: So Crowded

Post by Foulum1 » Sun Mar 12, 2023 5:12 pm

Worst part imo is all the hardcore players. You can't even team up with team out there, so it ends up being a s-word competition instead of meeting new friends along the way.
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Post by Wrathweaver » Sun Mar 12, 2023 5:27 pm

I always invite people that camp the same quest objective if its a kill quest, find it strange that not more people just do this on auto mode.

When we are on the same quest objective and they decline group invite, i think thats just fine.
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Post by Xerilin » Sun Mar 12, 2023 5:29 pm

Wrathweaver wrote:
Sun Mar 12, 2023 5:27 pm
I always invite people that camp the same quest objective if its a kill quest, find it strange that not more people just do this on auto mode.

When we are on the same quest objective and they decline group invite, i think thats just fine.
But in secret and in my dreams, i wish that their souls where slowly devoured by some type of demon that looks like a spider with only 1 eye.
So do I, but can't do it between hc/non-hc.
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Re: So Crowded

Post by Mathix » Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:26 pm

Miggs wrote:
Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:33 pm
It's absolutely horrendous, can't progress so moving on elsewhere.
How are you unable to progress? This is wow we are talking about, leveling is easy, go do another quest or kill some monsters for a bit.

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Post by Redmagejoe » Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:36 pm

There is no such thing as being unable to play because of other people. Literally go do a different quest. In the extreme circumstance that you can't do ANY quests in your zone (which I doubt) you can go to one of the other 2-3 zones of that level and quest there instead.

You are arbitrarily choosing to obsess over a particular quest and gatekeep yourself. There are near 3000 quests in this game now.

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Re: So Crowded

Post by Element19090 » Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:36 am

It's definitely obnoxious. I really wish I would have leveled my alts before the massive boom. :/
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Post by Sylveria » Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:44 am

It's not like just one zone is crowded, but almost all of'em. especially low level zones like Elwynn, Teldrassil, Westfall etc.
i know: unpopular opinion, but maybe a 2nd realm would be an option.
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Post by Element19090 » Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:46 am

Mavbyte wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:44 am
It's not like just one are is crowded, but almost all of'em. especially low level zones like Elwynn, Teldrassil, Westfall etc.
i know: unpopular opinion, but maybe a 2nd realm would be an option.
IF we just gave HC their own realm it would solve quite a bit of the population problem. They have a nice chunk of the player base and really are not able to have any meaningful interaction with regular players at all besides fighting over mob tags. It's needlessly obnoxious.
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Re: So Crowded

Post by Sylveria » Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:53 am

Element19090 wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:46 am
Mavbyte wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:44 am
It's not like just one are is crowded, but almost all of'em. especially low level zones like Elwynn, Teldrassil, Westfall etc.
i know: unpopular opinion, but maybe a 2nd realm would be an option.
IF we just gave HC their own realm it would solve quite a bit of the population problem. They have a nice chunk of the player base and really are not able to have any meaningful interaction with regular players at all besides fighting over mob tags. It's needlessly obnoxious.
I've been a HC player, but I'd see myself as a Roleplayer. And imo the "PvE Attitude" overall on the realm's overwhelming by now. I don't like the argument of people that "Rp-PvE" means that it's first and foremost a PvE-Realm "with the option to roleplay". By that argument we wouldn't need any Rp-Realm at all since we could do Roleplay on every realm.
When i started on Turtle almost a year ago, RP was way more present. I've been approached in Roleplay out in the open, even in normal dungeon-groupplay. You don't find this anymore.
Now i know, that there are RP Events and Guilds, but i'm not the one for planned, but spontaneous Roleplay. And this is being drowned by the current community. :/ So I, as a roleplayer, would like to seperate myself from this mass of "normal" PvE-Players as well.

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Re: So Crowded

Post by Element19090 » Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:09 am

Mavbyte wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:53 am
Element19090 wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:46 am
Mavbyte wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:44 am
It's not like just one are is crowded, but almost all of'em. especially low level zones like Elwynn, Teldrassil, Westfall etc.
i know: unpopular opinion, but maybe a 2nd realm would be an option.
IF we just gave HC their own realm it would solve quite a bit of the population problem. They have a nice chunk of the player base and really are not able to have any meaningful interaction with regular players at all besides fighting over mob tags. It's needlessly obnoxious.
I've been a HC player, but I'd see myself as a Roleplayer. And imo the "PvE Attitude" overall on the realm's overwhelming by now. I don't like the argument of people that "Rp-PvE" means that it's first and foremost a PvE-Realm "with the option to roleplay". By that argument we wouldn't need any Rp-Realm at all since we could do Roleplay on every realm.
When i started on Turtle almost a year ago, RP was way more present. I've been approached in Roleplay out in the open, even in normal dungeon-groupplay. You don't find this anymore.
Now i know, that there are RP Events and Guilds, but i'm not the one for planned, but spontaneous Roleplay. And this is being drowned by the current community. :/ So I, as a roleplayer, would like to seperate myself from this mass of "normal" PvE-Players as well.
RP has always been niche and as server population grows RP elements will naturally be drowned out and limited to guild hosted events in secluded places. I think making the argument that "We can't do.................because this is an RP-PvE server" is stupid because it's clearly just a factionless PVE server with a warmode option.
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Post by Redmagejoe » Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:24 pm

You lose any credibility when you suggest segregating the HC community to another realm. Before you move to make your arguments for this point, every single argument for and against has been made already, and it has been overwhelmingly stated by HC players, non-HC players, and Staff that this is a terrible idea.

Let us refrain from retreading the same discussion. The majority does not want HC to have their own realm, your definition of "meaningful interaction" is flawed (and I'll happily pull up my post pointing out why if you wish to pursue this dead horse of a topic), and the primary solution to overcrowded areas is adjustments which can easily be made to quest objectives like respawn timers.

Be patient.

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Re: So Crowded

Post by Element19090 » Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:49 pm

Redmagejoe wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:24 pm
You lose any credibility when you suggest segregating the HC community to another realm. Before you move to make your arguments for this point, every single argument for and against has been made already, and it has been overwhelmingly stated by HC players, non-HC players, and Staff that this is a terrible idea.

Let us refrain from retreading the same discussion. The majority does not want HC to have their own realm, your definition of "meaningful interaction" is flawed (and I'll happily pull up my post pointing out why if you wish to pursue this dead horse of a topic), and the primary solution to overcrowded areas is adjustments which can easily be made to quest objectives like respawn timers.

Be patient.
I am curious to see your previous post and what everyone else had to say on it.
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Post by Redmagejoe » Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:23 pm

viewtopic.php?p=33547

Here is the most recent thread that was made on this issue, but certainly not the only one in the last year. Rather than linking my post directly, it would be best if you read the thread in full so that all posts are presented in their full context.

You can see that even in that thread, a link was made to a previous thread, and the history goes on and on with varying levels of civility and toxicity.

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Post by Coztdiver » Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:12 pm

Element19090 wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:46 am
Mavbyte wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:44 am
It's not like just one are is crowded, but almost all of'em. especially low level zones like Elwynn, Teldrassil, Westfall etc.
i know: unpopular opinion, but maybe a 2nd realm would be an option.
IF we just gave HC their own realm it would solve quite a bit of the population problem. They have a nice chunk of the player base and really are not able to have any meaningful interaction with regular players at all besides fighting over mob tags. It's needlessly obnoxious.
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Post by Karrados » Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:13 pm

It's not going to happen. The Team already said they have no intention of seperating those two (HC and Non HC)

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Post by Sylveria » Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:00 pm

Karrados wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:13 pm
It's not going to happen. The Team already said they have no intention of seperating those two (HC and Non HC)
Then maybe Rp and non-Rp? xD

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Post by Karrados » Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:07 pm

I don't think seperating 10 people from the thousands will do any good. With that said the Team made it clear that they don't want to split -any- communities which would also include RPers and Non-RPers.

So your best hope is that people learn how to play together and group up for content where they can group up and if it's a HC then just embrace it and move on.

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Post by Bluecenter » Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:37 pm

Appreciate the responses and suggestions. Based on the info provided, it seems safe to sum it all up as: deal with the overcrowded areas or leave, it will not change. Not what I was hoping for, but I do understand.

Thanks all.

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Re: So Crowded

Post by Xudo » Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:13 am

Torta wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:26 pm
  • Lowered respawn time of almost all high-competition quest objectives in level 1-20 zones.
  • Working on a general server performance :)
Issues of high populated areas are being addressed on regular basis.

Making other server is not an option.
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Post by Werefox » Sat Mar 18, 2023 5:09 pm

Some random observations from one of those pesky newcomers or "My first Friday night in Elwynn"

- The Newcomers guild chat. Well, that one is easily solved by immediate /gquit.

- A level 9 twinked to the teeth PvP flagged Horde hanging around in level 6 mine in hope to be accidentally targeted. Good luck, with 3 kobolds per 30 players. Just don't take candle.

- Female human paladin named Holytits. Looking forward to exciting RP events to have with that person. I mean, only a true romantic would reference a rare bird in her name, right?

- A PvP flagged BEAR (hunter under EoB perhaps?) spending good 2 minutes trying to get into my crosshair. Dude, I'm a geriatric player with arthritis, I simply cannot target anything that moves like a 12 y.o. missing his Ritalin.

- Absolutely shameless mob stealing everywere. Wait for that kobold, start killing it. Some level 6 with Crusader enchantment shows up and easily steals the tag (mine is a fresh warlock with no gear whatsoever). But hey, Elwynn has like 20 new quests, so I move elsewhere to do those. BAM! - Pyroblast - my mob is gone.

- Well, don't care, I accidentally gained like 4 levels of rested XP by standing next to some weird contraption, so I levelled anyway. Without witnessing a singe bit of RP interaction.

In conclusion - no, population number is definitely not a problem.

I would also like to hope that it's just Elwynn and it gets better later on, but... who gives Crusaders to all those level 6?

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Re: So Crowded

Post by Maesus » Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:16 pm

Werefox wrote:
Sat Mar 18, 2023 5:09 pm
I would also like to hope that it's just Elwynn and it gets better later on, but... who gives Crusaders to all those level 6?
Elwynn is the worst this server has to offer, in my opinion, sans the new quests - those are cute. It gets better, obviously. Loads of players get bored before they even reach 10. But the human zones are still the most popular and it doesn't really get better until Duskwood.

Elwynn wasn't always such a mess. Tent parties used to be held in Gurubashi Arena. Also, just teleporting all High Elves, the second most popular race, to Elwynn, the most popular starting zone and home to the most popular race, was just a bad move, lol.

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Re: So Crowded

Post by Pistol » Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:36 pm

If people are really this worried over overcrowding in Elwynn then they could simply play another race or go to some half-dead server.
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Re: So Crowded

Post by Clarithium » Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:31 am

if you're worried about overcrowding in your starting zone...

1, roll horde, it has less pop.

2, go to another starter zone, you can reach them all easily with in game transportation.

SW-> IF tram
SW also has a boat to the night elf area I believe, though maybe I confused it

3, actually invite people doing the same quest. This is a multiplayer game, you dont gotta be antisocial. Well, unless you're hardcore, those guys are all mob stealing goobers that refuse to group

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Post by Sylveria » Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:18 am

Werefox wrote:
Sat Mar 18, 2023 5:09 pm
- Female human paladin named Holytits. Looking forward to exciting RP events to have with that person. I mean, only a true romantic would reference a rare bird in her name, right?

- Well, don't care, I accidentally gained like 4 levels of rested XP by standing next to some weird contraption, so I levelled anyway. Without witnessing a singe bit of RP interaction.
Those are my problems atm as well. I wouldn't care for the big numbers if the people would behave like decent human beings (or roleplay as whatever they are in this world) "Playing as someone who's afk under a tent" is not roleplaying.
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Re: So Crowded

Post by Myclassisbroke » Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:11 am

Guys there one solution to this.. Remove Pala from game, then population will be cut down by 75%

Only problem with this is there wil be no more BG's as that's the only class alliance play. I mean who wouldn't wanna 1 shot plate with a green wep.

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