world of druid

[shadowchaos]

I just leveled a druid to 60 myself .
The reason is why the hack as a 5800+ hp shadow priest can't survive to cast second shield and your rival is just a all blue feral druid.

So I found something.
First ,the talent [Open Wounds] has absurd damage increase , the open for druid has 3 bleeding debuff ,that's 90% damage increase ,and with 100% crit bonus ,my fresh 60 druid with level 20 to 50 gear can crit 1600+ [Ferocious Bite] and 1500 [Claw] .
yes ,you heard it .

My shadow priest with full r14 as 558 spell damage with 5 stack of shadow weaving can cirt 1500+ damage ,great.


Second , the [Omen of Clarity] has ridiculous proc rate and more the dreadful thing is it can trigger 2 at a row at a high proc .Basically, the feel you play the feral druid is equal to a rogue keeping using +60 energy trinket .


Now ,you can open with pounce ,[Omen of Clarity] rake ,[Omen of Clarity] rip ,claw ,claw ,claw ,oh [Omen of Clarity] ,5 star [Ferocious Bite] ,simply ,as cloth class you dead ,if not ,[Berserk] a WLK feral 51 point talent is waiting for you .

I just laughed when i saw someone ask for cyclone ,go ahead ,give druid typhoon too.

[Keds]

The problem is that you are playing shadow priest my friend, almost no benefit from crit, no benefit from haste (the stat they are putting in almost every new piece of gear) which btw, all other casters can...

So yeah, do as I did, create a druid or shaman, "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em".

[Grizb37]

And still they do less damage than warriors.

And brother shred still does more damage than claw, and doesn't require set up. And they have this in vanilla.

L2p

[Templar85]

As a R14 player you do awful lot of wrong assumptions or having lack of experience how to play against druids and coming to a wrong conclusions. I can understand you are triggered. I giving some advices.

When a druid open on you and bleed you up fully there are several option to survive the burst. Your aim can be to remove one bleed (lufa) or not be in melee range of him while bleeds are ticking you.

• Stun him with a grenade, Rocket Helmet, Flash Bomb if still in cat form. fast heal + hot

• Use any movement speed increase item (there are so many, if you are rank14 and not using any you do something incredibly wrong) while moving shield + hot, shadow word pain (hope will stun). When reached enough distance can do a quick cast time heal.

• Can use Limited invulnerability potion, health potion to survive

• Net him + Silence heal yourself back

• Silence + Flash bomb and you have around 8 second to do anything

By the way if they open on you with Ravage and Shred they can do even more burst in a short window.

Yes Resto druid without Cyclone will have extra hard time in rated arenas.

[shadowchaos]

As a R14 player you do awful lot of wrong assumptions or having lack of experience how to play against druids and coming to a wrong conclusions. I can understand you are triggered. I giving some advices.

When a druid open on you and bleed you up fully there are several option to survive the burst. Your aim can be to remove one bleed (lufa) or not be in melee range of him while bleeds are ticking you.

• Stun him with a grenade, Rocket Helmet, Flash Bomb if still in cat form. fast heal + hot

• Use any movement speed increase item (there are so many, if you are rank14 and not using any you do something incredibly wrong) while moving shield + hot, shadow word pain (hope will stun). When reached enough distance can do a quick cast time heal.

• Can use Limited invulnerability potion, health potion to survive

• Net him + Silence heal yourself back

• Silence + Flash bomb and you have around 8 second to do anything

By the way if they open on you with Ravage and Shred they can do even more burst in a short window.

Yes Resto druid without Cyclone will have extra hard time in rated arenas.

So you just talked like it's an equivalent fight and completely ignore "all blue" which means he has no epic gear.
Let me tell you ,you can't cc druid with fear right now and you talk about flash heal , omg , can you cast one heal without shield protection under cat fast attack ? You HPS can't catch up his dps even if there is no push back,ok?

Run away from a druid? Are you kidding?
And your solution is about engineering ,that would't help much when you face dps out put crush.
Limited invulnerability potion can't save you ,6 second only time to cast 2 flash heal 1600 hp and you go back shadow with 1200 mana total waste that he just need one claw crit.
What about he has T2+R13 gear? I wouldn't talk about T2.5 and T3 because from there I have no chance .

What do you men silence+ flash bomb? As I know that can't prevent casting berserk.

[Hadjo]

The problem isnt druid but shadow priest, they are pretty weak right now in pvp. Go respec disc and win ez

[Ataika]

Spec into warlock and destroy cat during LIP
Against geared druids u have to gulp this stuff since twow turned ferals into steroid rogues, they are bursting way harder so:
- lip
- bomb
- grenade (wont grenade skilled strafing druid so optional)
- bursting class (sp is bad here)

Sp has zero chances against druid who knows what is he doing, he has answer literally to every your move thanks to overtune (drinking in form, berserk, omen of spammity). And if he is a fucker he is stacked with bs/engenering/kara toys to make ur caster life even worse.

[Forumdweller]

Ahahaha

It's so funny to see people list of a bunch of trinkets and gadgets you must use to counter a class that actually has versatility baked into it's kit. And can do the exact same thing they're telling you to do ontop of it.

They don't need to lose stats and trinkets to literally annihilate you and don't need to gear themselves just to be able to counter one class.

That's the glorified vanilla gameplay that Turtle is refusing to let go. It's like a disease slowly eating away.

[Templar85]

So you just talked like it's an equivalent fight and completely ignore "all blue" which means he has no epic gear.

He come up with a hypothetical scenario where 3 Omen happened in a 6 second timeframe. Warlock and Warrior both can 2 shoot me if they critting while in cat and caster form.

Let me tell you ,you can't cc druid with fear right now and you talk about flash heal , omg , can you cast one heal without shield protection under cat fast attack ? You HPS can't catch up his dps even if there is no push back,ok?

Looks like half of what I wrote went ahead of your head. If you stand next to the cat druid while 3 bleeds on you then you will have a bad day.

Run away from a druid? Are you kidding?

You have a choice stand next to while have 3 bleed on you or try to make distance, cast instant shield+hot, dot on him fishing for stun.

They don't need to lose stats and trinkets to literally annihilate you and don't need to gear themselves just to be able to counter one class.

A good Warlock can annihilate a druid only Shadow reflect trinket giving good chance against them.

That's the glorified vanilla gameplay that Turtle is refusing to let go. It's like a disease slowly eating away.

Turtle just announced they will reduce burst in pvp. By the way druid in this state for like 5 months. 1 Tapping paladins other players lasted for like 3-4 years.

[Forumdweller]

Any Warlock can annihilate a druid if they use Limited Invulnerability Pot

fixed it. Literally cringe gameplay

Btw are you literally suggesting reduced burst is going to give people a chance to beat ferals?? Hahahah. They're already immortal little bro. Now they're becoming even more so.

[Halfgeek9]

It's really Berserk that makes them deadly vs Priests and Warlocks. Fear immune + 100% energy regen, allows Cat to burst like crazy, on top of Omen buff (cannot dispel). Warlock can't even rely on Deathcoil cos pvp trinket removes that. So you just die as these two clothies. Geared feral druids wtf pwn these classes.

It kind of flip the classic balance between these classes around.

[shadowchaos]

So you just talked like it's an equivalent fight and completely ignore "all blue" which means he has no epic gear.

He come up with a hypothetical scenario where 3 Omen happened in a 6 second timeframe. Warlock and Warrior both can 2 shoot me if they critting while in cat and caster form.

Let me tell you ,you can't cc druid with fear right now and you talk about flash heal , omg , can you cast one heal without shield protection under cat fast attack ? You HPS can't catch up his dps even if there is no push back,ok?

Looks like half of what I wrote went ahead of your head. If you stand next to the cat druid while 3 bleeds on you then you will have a bad day.

Run away from a druid? Are you kidding?

You have a choice stand next to while have 3 bleed on you or try to make distance, cast instant shield+hot, dot on him fishing for stun.

I died during weakened soul , what's shield? and you mean renew , a 240 heal every 3 sec can save you?


My proposal to adjust these 2 talents is :
[Open Wounds] : 5 points to max at 25% each bleeding effect increase , or , remain 3 points but max 20%.
[Omen of Clarity] : either put a interner cd ,6 sec or 9 sec
or fix the right proc rate to 9% or 10%.

You said it too ,[Omen of Clarity] can proc 3 at a row.
and rough estimate [Omen of Clarity] proc rate right now is:
proc 1 : 30%
proc 2 at a row : 20%
proc 3 at a row : 10%
That's the cause , if you want to balance class , the places you look into.

[Halfgeek9]

My proposal to adjust these 2 talents is :
[Open Wounds] : 5 points to max at 25% each bleeding effect increase , or , remain 3 points but max 20%.
[Omen of Clarity] : either put a interner cd ,6 sec or 9 sec
or fix the right proc rate to 9% or 10%.

You said it too ,[Omen of Clarity] can proc 3 at a row.
and rough estimate [Omen of Clarity] proc rate right now is:
proc 1 : 30%
proc 2 at a row : 20%
proc 3 at a row : 10%
That's the cause , if you want to balance class , the places you look into.

Nope, that would destroy feral PvE dps.

Some classes have high burst when RNG blesses them. Its not unique to feral druids.

The real problem is fear doesn't work because they gave feral druids berserk from Wrath xpac. Otherwise priests will aoe fear bomb and gives them some room to respond.

[Templar85]

It's really Berserk that makes them deadly vs Priests and Warlocks. Fear immune + 100% energy regen, allows Cat to burst like crazy, on top of Omen buff (cannot dispel). Warlock can't even rely on Deathcoil cos pvp trinket removes that. So you just die as these two clothies. Geared feral druids wtf pwn these classes.

It kind of flip the classic balance between these classes around.

An average geared warlock can absolutely wreck a better geared druid. Warlock is the anti druid class.

Fear immune + 100% energy regen

Berserk DOES NOT MAKING THE DRUID IMUNNE JUST REMOVING ONE FEAR. Can use in every 5 mins.

on top of Omen buff (cannot dispel)

Thanks turtle team that it is not dispelable anymore. It was a shitshow that such a basic spell was dispelable. How about once a warlock got dispelled they need to cast a buff on themselves to able to use lifetap again?

Warlock can't even rely on Deathcoil cos pvp trinket

Warlock has the most stuff that can rely on against druids.
Felhunter anti stealth, Voidwalker shield. Fear + Deathcoil. Tidal charm, Flash Bomb, Grenades, Nets.

So you just die as these two clothies. Geared feral druids wtf pwn these classes.

Blue geared clothies already died to rogues.

Every dps class can 2 shoot (might even one) everybody else with T3 and T3.5 gear. The solution is not about messing up PvE value numbers and rotations rather adjusting just for when used them against players.
Best solution would be bake in pvp defensive mechanics to the current talents like in TBC.

[Springboards]

druid absolutely shreds warlocks

Only chance of surviving is having felguard/SL and LIP, both of which wont be available 100% of the time in a random BG

Again listing things like tidal charm is pointless since they have a very long cooldown. What if a druid switches to shadow reflector(only 5 min cd and infinitely times more accessible) which means you cant coil or fear(not that you will be able to pull it off).

Flash bombs are pointless as well due to weakauras flashbomb addon which tells them to unmorph( but thats a whole separate topic altogether i dunno why weakauras is still allowed in pvp).

Stealth detection doesnt work like you think it works you can be human w/ perception cats potion goggles felhound and still find nothing since its just a cone. Any druid that sees your perception popped on his weakauras PERCEPTION will stay away from you or circle around you to find an opportunity , you are not going to be turning 360 degrees 24/7 inside a bg, and especially as a hardcasting class like a warlock due to facing requirement.

[Forumdweller]

I have to question if these people just make fantastical scenarios in their head and can't stop preaching it to anyone who will listen.

Fear immunity isn't whats making feral so hard for locks and priests.

Its the fact that you die in 3 globals.

Even if they weren't immune to fear you still wouldn't be able to cast it without death coil

[Templar85]

It is pretty pointless to have a discussion here because people don't know abilities and so triggered they overlooking half of the others viewpoint. Also pvp changes coming in like August. This will be the last I react in this topic.

druid absolutely shreds warlocks

T2.5, T3 T3.5 gear wrecks them. Warlock toolkit is the anti Druid in pvp.

Only chance of surviving is having felguard/SL and LIP, both of which wont be available 100% of the time in a random BG

Also Bersek has a 6 minute CD which does not make druid immune like in WoTLK just removing one fear.

Flash bombs are pointless as well due to weakauras flashbomb addon which tells them to unmorph( but thats a whole separate topic altogether i dunno why weakauras is still allowed in pvp).

Have you ever tried to Flash bomb a feral druid? If you have done you would know that changing from feral form while feared to caster does not remove the fear effect. If the druid get caught in it is full 10 sec fear.

I have to question if these people just make fantastical scenarios in their head and can't stop preaching it to anyone who will listen.

I agree fantastical scenario like 3 omen happening in 6 sec period at the right abilities constantly is Disney Land territory. Also the repeated lies like they are immune for 20 seconds.

Its the fact that you die in 3 globals.

Problem most DPS classes can 3,2 or 1 tap others. Warlock can 2 tap druid if he is in caster form.

All should chill the heck down. If we survived 3 years of Paladins 1 tapping other in cc1 we can wait 2 more months for pvp updates.