Re: Alliance Ganking in Deathknell

[Dankeshein]

Is Turtle willing to do anything about this? There are several Alliance people that are ganking anyone with War Mode on in Deathknell. It's bad enough that just trying to get up to an interesting point in the game takes 10+ hours, now you have these jerks who are bringing their twink toons over and killing anyone in the starting area trying to get through it a little quicker.

I know War Mode is an option, but this is ridiculous. I can understand them hunting around Brill or something, but in Deathknell? C'mon.

[Dankeshein]

To clarify, I'm not looking for the guys to get banned, just maybe told to FO out of the most basic starting zone.

[Element19090]

Is Turtle willing to do anything about this? There are several Alliance people that are ganking anyone with War Mode on in Deathknell. It's bad enough that just trying to get up to an interesting point in the game takes 10+ hours, now you have these jerks who are bringing their twink toons over and killing anyone in the starting area trying to get through it a little quicker.

I know War Mode is an option, but this is ridiculous. I can understand them hunting around Brill or something, but in Deathknell? C'mon.

Sounds like maybe you should not go Warmode or maybe level in a zone that doesn't currently have Alliance players doing that? OR you could wait it out? Warmode is a choice that you make. Simply don't use it if you don't wanna be ganked. the extra 30% comes with a price. If you don't like it then don't use it.

[Rat2156]

Is Turtle willing to do anything about this? There are several Alliance people that are ganking anyone with War Mode on in Deathknell. It's bad enough that just trying to get up to an interesting point in the game takes 10+ hours, now you have these jerks who are bringing their twink toons over and killing anyone in the starting area trying to get through it a little quicker.

I know War Mode is an option, but this is ridiculous. I can understand them hunting around Brill or something, but in Deathknell? C'mon.

Sounds like maybe you should not go Warmode or maybe level in a zone that doesn't currently have Alliance players doing that? OR you could wait it out? Warmode is a choice that you make. Simply don't use it if you don't wanna be ganked. the extra 30% comes with a price. If you don't like it then don't use it.

While this is correct, that also doesn't excuse the behaviour of lowbie gankers. Just because warmode players agree to being targets for world PvP doesn't mean that people killing lv 1s because they're not good enough to fight anyone within 10 levels of their own are in the right

[Balake]

While this is correct, that also doesn't excuse the behaviour of lowbie gankers. Just because warmode players agree to being targets for world PvP doesn't mean that people killing lv 1s because they're not good enough to fight anyone within 10 levels of their own are in the right

Just do the first 15-ish levels in pve then turn on warmode later

[Ghola]

While this is correct, that also doesn't excuse the behaviour of lowbie gankers. Just because warmode players agree to being targets for world PvP doesn't mean that people killing lv 1s because they're not good enough to fight anyone within 10 levels of their own are in the right

Just do the first 15-ish levels in pve then turn on warmode later

somebodys never played warmode

[Balake]

somebodys never played warmode

Care to elaborate? You can buy the glyph at any point you want, and you can only disable it once in levels 1-59 and once in level 60.

So buying the glyph at level 50 for the final 9 levels is totally possible.

[Fizzler]

mmmmm more warmodes to find

[Akalix]

We recommend against taking Warmode on Hardcore. If you do, be prepared to face death at every corner.

[Daddynoheals]

Hello! I am Corporal Cooper, a lvl 9 human warrior. I walked all the way to Deathknell to level up, because the atmosphere and weather up there is so nice.
But then I noticed the whole place was full of disgusting zombies! I took it upon myself to cleanse the woods of these ungodly ghouls. I've been doing this cleaning for a while now and I've made nice progress. Soon humans can set up a new camp in Deathknell and start repairing the houses there.
I have 114 honorable kills in Deathknell under my belt. Justice will prevail.

[Element19090]

Is Turtle willing to do anything about this? There are several Alliance people that are ganking anyone with War Mode on in Deathknell. It's bad enough that just trying to get up to an interesting point in the game takes 10+ hours, now you have these jerks who are bringing their twink toons over and killing anyone in the starting area trying to get through it a little quicker.

I know War Mode is an option, but this is ridiculous. I can understand them hunting around Brill or something, but in Deathknell? C'mon.

Sounds like maybe you should not go Warmode or maybe level in a zone that doesn't currently have Alliance players doing that? OR you could wait it out? Warmode is a choice that you make. Simply don't use it if you don't wanna be ganked. the extra 30% comes with a price. If you don't like it then don't use it.

While this is correct, that also doesn't excuse the behaviour of lowbie gankers. Just because warmode players agree to being targets for world PvP doesn't mean that people killing lv 1s because they're not good enough to fight anyone within 10 levels of their own are in the right

If you're flagged you're a target. There are no rules to who you can and cannot kill. If you choose warmade you're a target whether you are level 1 or 60. That's just how the game works. Level somewhere else or play another character if there are people ganking in the area....or just don't do warmode.

[Styopa1]

Shortcuts can have a price.
Warmode is a shortcut.

I'm not sure how much more simply I can put it.

In case you believe the world "should" be full of people who are gracious, kind, and considerate....well, you might want to read Leviathan.

[Daddynoheals]

Cooper here again. I no longer operate in Deathknell, but in all of Tirisfal Glades.

I'm posting because last night a bunch of high-level (30-60) Alliance players launched a premediated attack against me. And I don't mean just killing my character, but they attacked me in the general chat. For about 2 hours, several people threw insults and other personal attacks at me in writing. It got so immature and toxic that I almost had to report 5 players for harrassment.
Their issue is the fact that I perform honorable kills in Tirisfal Glades. I defended myself by saying that

1. I don't corpse camp. I kill you and move on.

2. I only kill people that yield honor. Most of the angry mob claimed that I was "ganking lowbies in a starting area", but the cold truth is that I'm a level 13 warrior and Tirisfal Glades is literally for players of my level. Also, low level warriors are particularly vulnerable against mages, priests, warlocks and hunters. The enemy has plenty of chance to survive, and the duels are fair.
A particularly salty individual was a level 15 hc player that I killed. Sure, I used tricks to kill him, but if you choose to have pvp on, this will happen sooner or later. These people now hate me and stalk me with their alts, but they refuse to realize that I did them a favor. Someone else would've killed their hc at level 30 or something. Better learn sooner than later that you do not play hc with the war glyph unless you're insane.

3. If you decide to get back at me with a lvl 60 character, you have no right to complain. You're literally ganking someone almost 50 levels below you. My honor would prevent me from doing that. I'm do have alts as well, you know, but I choose to kill with a lvl 13.


https://imgur.com/a/wUK5cJe

[Sinergy]

Sadly this community has turned into retail one.

[Jolikmc]

My, oh my. There's a lot to unpack, here. But, I want to focus on one thing, in particular…

These people [with PvP on] now hate me and stalk me with their alts, but they refuse to realize that I did them a favor. Someone else would've killed their hc at level 30 or something. Better learn sooner than later that you do not play hc with the war glyph unless you're insane.

(: /spit

If some Hardcore player wants to run around the world perma-flagged, that's their business. Are they likely to get deleted by some bored max-level nerd? Absolutely. But don't act like you're some big flipping hero because you kill Hardcore players at level before they have a chance to "kill themselves".

And yes, it's a refreshing change of pace that you have "honor" and don't kill players dramatically below your pay grade. At the end of the day, however, that and two USD will get you a cup of coffee – and not very good coffee, at that. You're welcome to grouse about people stalking you or camping you for your "honorable" actions, but don't expect anything to change. The Internet is full of children – literal and metaphorical. And unfortunately, a lot of them are sore losers. So, ya know… roll with the punches, brother. And maybe stay out of the kitchen – that is, public chat – if you can't handle the heat.

Cheers.

[Element19090]

Is Turtle willing to do anything about this? There are several Alliance people that are ganking anyone with War Mode on in Deathknell. It's bad enough that just trying to get up to an interesting point in the game takes 10+ hours, now you have these jerks who are bringing their twink toons over and killing anyone in the starting area trying to get through it a little quicker.

I know War Mode is an option, but this is ridiculous. I can understand them hunting around Brill or something, but in Deathknell? C'mon.

Sounds like maybe you should not go Warmode or maybe level in a zone that doesn't currently have Alliance players doing that? OR you could wait it out? Warmode is a choice that you make. Simply don't use it if you don't wanna be ganked. the extra 30% comes with a price. If you don't like it then don't use it.

While this is correct, that also doesn't excuse the behaviour of lowbie gankers. Just because warmode players agree to being targets for world PvP doesn't mean that people killing lv 1s because they're not good enough to fight anyone within 10 levels of their own are in the right

Actually yes it does. When you choose to flag be it in warmode or not you open yourself up to being a target. Is it a dick move? Absolurely, and if that happens i would say try another starter area but no rules are technically being broken. I can't imagine somebody staying at a level 1 zone for very long anyway...would get extremely boring very quickly.

[Element19090]

Cooper here again. I no longer operate in Deathknell, but in all of Tirisfal Glades.

I'm posting because last night a bunch of high-level (30-60) Alliance players launched a premediated attack against me. And I don't mean just killing my character, but they attacked me in the general chat. For about 2 hours, several people threw insults and other personal attacks at me in writing. It got so immature and toxic that I almost had to report 5 players for harrassment.
Their issue is the fact that I perform honorable kills in Tirisfal Glades. I defended myself by saying that

1. I don't corpse camp. I kill you and move on.

2. I only kill people that yield honor. Most of the angry mob claimed that I was "ganking lowbies in a starting area", but the cold truth is that I'm a level 13 warrior and Tirisfal Glades is literally for players of my level. Also, low level warriors are particularly vulnerable against mages, priests, warlocks and hunters. The enemy has plenty of chance to survive, and the duels are fair.
A particularly salty individual was a level 15 hc player that I killed. Sure, I used tricks to kill him, but if you choose to have pvp on, this will happen sooner or later. These people now hate me and stalk me with their alts, but they refuse to realize that I did them a favor. Someone else would've killed their hc at level 30 or something. Better learn sooner than later that you do not play hc with the war glyph unless you're insane.

3. If you decide to get back at me with a lvl 60 character, you have no right to complain. You're literally ganking someone almost 50 levels below you. My honor would prevent me from doing that. I'm do have alts as well, you know, but I choose to kill with a lvl 13.


https://imgur.com/a/wUK5cJe

Honestly you shouldn't have to explain yourself at all. It's disgusting that you had that experience at all. You have every right to kill any warmode flagged player as many times as you want. The fact that you go out of your way to only kill players who are your level is just a bonus. Players who Harasses other players for getting killed when deciding to go warmode should get a warning and if it continues a straight up ban.

If you flag warmode you WILL DIE it's that simple. I get ganked all the time while leveling my characters and I don't whisper the players at all. it's petty and obnoxious. If i were you I would report them.

I had made a post before and everyone got buttmad but honestly if cross faction talking is gonna go beyond guild and party chat then there should be enforcement on policing buttmad players who feel the need to endlessly Harass somebody because they were killed in a video game.

[Daddynoheals]

Thank you, Element19090. I've been trying to explain to these people that running around with pvp on is a signal that you accept player vs player killing and all the pros and cons that come with it. If you take deaths personally / emotionally, it's best if you toggle pvp off. I don't really understand what these people were expecting would happen.

And it's not like I'm some immortal, unfair pvp machine. I die, too. And not just from salty lvl 60 alts coming for revenge. For example, I just got chased around by a lvl 9 hunter. In an open area, a talented hunter can kill me even though I'm lvl 13. The hunter uses long-range attacks and can even slow me down as I try to approach them. If the hunter gets the first shot, I'm now in combat mode and as such cannot use charge - this means I have zero long-range attacks left. I'm effectively useless unless I can somehow get close to the hunter. But the hunter knows this, and they can simply keep their distance, shoot arrows at me and slow down my walking speed. At this point all I can do is hide behind trees and either wait for a chance to get closer. Mages can do the same with their freezing spells.

Jolikmc, I agree that ideally hardcore players should get to die from mobs and such, so they get to know their limits. But I disagree with the notion that running around flagged for pvp is their own business. I don't take extra pleasure in killing a hc. As a matter of fact, at first I felt so sorry for them that I couldn't do it at all! But then I realized that I might as well. Their glyph of war gives them extra exp points for taking the risk, and if we start protecting these players, the exp is an unfair advantage as it doesn't come with any risk anymore. And like I said before, I wouldn't kill a grey player that doesn't yield honor.

[Jolikmc]

I think you misunderstood my meaning.

You went out of your way to specify Hardcore PvP players, practically patting yourself on the back because you're "teaching a lesson" to players who, from your viewpoint, have "no business" being flagged for PvP while doing a Hardcore run. In that same paragraph, you said that they're "going to die anyway", all but admitting that you're just speeding up the process so "they learn".

You're not a teacher and you're not doing anyone a favor. As you said, you attack anyone who's flagged. It just so happens that Hardcore PvP players are on your warpath to Rank 14.

[Bigsmerf]

You sir are arguably turtle's most respectable ganker ever. Good on you for being a relatively decent person.