Dishonorable Ranks

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Dishonorable Ranks

Post by Pompa » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:39 pm

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Note: Remember that this mechanic is not custom, We have been doing a lot of research to bring back to life discarded / unused mechanics from early days of the game.

Sands of Time #03

In one of my many travels, I noticed that we weren't punishing our players for committing dishonorable kills. This will change now, we have decided to visually punish them!

Dishonorable Ranks

For killing low level players or civilians, players will now be ranked negatively (this is only visual, apart from the fact that you'll need to earn a lot of honor again if you want to recover). We have added these dishonorable ranks:
  • Dishonored
  • Exiled
  • Outlaw
  • Pariah
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Re: Sands of Time #03: Dishonorable Ranks

Post by Owondyah » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:42 pm

Ranks aren't affecting anything game-wise?

Pure "cosmetic" and server reputation meaning only... I guess (which is the best imo)
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Re: Sands of Time #03: Dishonorable Ranks

Post by Pompa » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:46 pm

Well, killing civilians and low level players have always lowered your honor standing.
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Re: Sands of Time #03: Dishonorable Ranks

Post by Owondyah » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:10 am

Pompa wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:46 pm
Well, killing civilians and low level players have always lowered your honor standing.
yea... that's common knowledge. That's the way to get these ranks anyway.

I meant maybe on some NPC reactions towards ppl with these ranks...
I guess, with your answer, we could say - nope, everything is same, cept you are being labeled as a... well... beeep hiding_smth_turtle_head
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Re: Sands of Time #03: Dishonorable Ranks

Post by Sinrek » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:20 am

Pompa wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:46 pm
Well, killing civilians and low level players have always lowered your honor standing.
We'll need more civilians in lower level zones!!
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Re: Sands of Time #03: Dishonorable Ranks

Post by Owondyah » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:35 am

I know a particular forest in alliance territory... full of civilians ;)

Too bad I'm not THAT type of player :) but anyone wishes to rush for these ranks... hit me up for location
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Re: Sands of Time #03: Dishonorable Ranks

Post by Kizzi » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:35 am

Going to negative ranks makes me hostile towards my own faction?

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Post by Kizzi » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:35 am

Great update by the way, thanks.

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Re: Sands of Time #03: Dishonorable Ranks

Post by Sinrek » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:40 am

Kizzi wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:35 am
Going to negative ranks makes me hostile towards my own faction?
I think it's Pariah that makes your factions stop trading with you.
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Re: Sands of Time #03: Dishonorable Ranks

Post by Kizzi » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:50 am

Sinrek wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:40 am
Kizzi wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:35 am
Going to negative ranks makes me hostile towards my own faction?
I think it's Pariah that makes your factions stop trading with you.
thank you Sinrek. trading in Goblin's cities should still be allowed?

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Re: Sands of Time #03: Dishonorable Ranks

Post by Sinrek » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:06 am

Kizzi wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:50 am
Sinrek wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:40 am
Kizzi wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:35 am
Going to negative ranks makes me hostile towards my own faction?
I think it's Pariah that makes your factions stop trading with you.
thank you Sinrek. trading in Goblin's cities should still be allowed?
Should be like it. At least that's what there used to be for neutral based factions, unless you commit unhonorable deed toward them explicitly.
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Re: Sands of Time #03: Dishonorable Ranks

Post by Laizek » Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:34 am

I would like to receive more honor points for killing players with negative ranks.

the police are on their way angry_turtle_hea

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Re: Sands of Time #03: Dishonorable Ranks

Post by Owondyah » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:49 pm

Sinrek wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:40 am
Kizzi wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:35 am
Going to negative ranks makes me hostile towards my own faction?
I think it's Pariah that makes your factions stop trading with you.
If that's the case, then this opening post is missing important information.
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Re: Sands of Time #03: Dishonorable Ranks

Post by Torta » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:56 pm

Owondyah wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:49 pm
Sinrek wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:40 am
Kizzi wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:35 am
Going to negative ranks makes me hostile towards my own faction?
I think it's Pariah that makes your factions stop trading with you.
If that's the case, then this opening post is missing important information.
It's currently not the case on Turtle WoW.

If you lower your honor rank to Pariah, nothing will change, apart if having a long way back if you ever decide to get back to positive ranking. If you lower reputation rank with any faction where it's possible, then yes, nobody will trade you anything and at some point will try on killing you.

It's mostly visual, to show off how badasshole you are :)

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Re: Sands of Time #03: Dishonorable Ranks

Post by Sinrek » Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:02 pm

Torta wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:56 pm
It's currently not the case on Turtle WoW.
Perhaps it's my memory making tricks on me, but I recall I've read that on manual with the very first set of 4CD of WoW back in March 2005.
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Re: Sands of Time #03: Dishonorable Ranks

Post by Torta » Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:06 pm

Sinrek wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:02 pm
Torta wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:56 pm
It's currently not the case on Turtle WoW.
Perhaps it's my memory making tricks on me, but I recall I've read that on manual with the very first set of 4CD of WoW back in March 2005.
Alright I've got this manual, let me check smiling_turtle_head

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Re: Sands of Time #03: Dishonorable Ranks

Post by Kazgrim » Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:27 am

Dishonor Points

Even among enemies as bitter as the Horde and the Alliance, there is honor. If you flaunt this honor and engage in objectionable PvP play, such as killing new players vastly inferior to you in level, or killing essential non-combat NPCs such as flight masters or quest givers, you will earn dishonor. If you accumulate enough dishonor through your criminal actions, you will be branded an outlaw. As a consequence, you'll suffer experience penalties, lose access to your own faction cities, and become so hated even by your own kind that every faction NPC will attack you on sight.
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Re: Sands of Time #03: Dishonorable Ranks

Post by Kazgrim » Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:28 am

WoW game manual. Page 134, "dishonorable kills":
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Re: Sands of Time #03: Dishonorable Ranks

Post by Musse » Thu May 02, 2019 9:00 am

What are the rules for "negative" ranks?
NOTE!!! My question here asumes you don't do any "honored" kills at all:

I notice that if you kill one civilian you become Dishonored, and seem to stay that way for ever. I haven't notice you get rid of Dishonored "over time" (see below).

If you kill enough civilians, you become Outlaw, BUT seems you over time loose this status, eg. you get "honored" points from somewhere!

Why can we be allowed to stay Outlawed without regulary killing more civilians? It's not fun being Outlaw, and then notice that next time you logon you are only Exiled. :( What a dishonor for a proud Outlaw!

From a pure rp perspective, keeping the title Outlaw is important! No automatic over time honored points, please!

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Re: Sands of Time #03: Dishonorable Ranks

Post by Sinrek » Thu May 02, 2019 5:28 pm

I'd say that staying on positive ranks should require you do honourable kills and so on, but for staying in negative ones ... Should be like in a RL you do something good all the time, you get a slight promotion, alas, do something bad and everyone will remember that through years.

Which means that once you have killed enough civilians up to the rank Pariah no faction related to you ever forgive you unless you do something good to make amends.
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