Online Quest & Item Creator

Mac
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Re: Online Quest & Item Creator

Post by Mac » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:01 pm

Torta wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:24 pm
Adding this on the next update.
Awesome!
Sinrek wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:39 am
Cured Medallion or it's Cursed? turtle_tongue_head
It's a hickory cured medallion.
Mrkrissatan wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:06 am
These items should be obtainable from an elite quest that becomes available at level 51, I've done quite a bit of research and believe I have made balanced items this time. If someone can help me with the making the quest part I'd be eternally grateful.
These are pretty good items that seem to be on par with the Alterac Valley quest items (like Ice Barbed Spear) that you can get at the same level.

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Mrkrissatan
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Re: Online Quest & Item Creator

Post by Mrkrissatan » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:29 pm

Mac wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:01 pm
These are pretty good items that seem to be on par with the Alterac Valley quest items (like Ice Barbed Spear) that you can get at the same level.
Thanks, just need to make a quest for them now lol

Balake
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Re: Online Quest & Item Creator

Post by Balake » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:52 pm

Mrkrissatan wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:06 am
These items should be obtainable from an elite quest that becomes available at level 51, I've done quite a bit of research and believe I have made balanced items this time. If someone can help me with the making the quest part I'd be eternally grateful.

Rapture, Betrayer of Darkness

Soulstring, Last Hope of the Prince

Oathkeeper, Destroyer of the Earth

Cosmos, Maul of Titans

Shadowsteel, Incarnation of Suffering's End
The names are ridiculously over-the-top and sound like they drop from Sargeras not from a level 51 quest, if they were to be added to Turtle-wow they need more humble, normal and down-to-earth names and not xd op luls +infinity maximum powah names. And about the balance:

2H axe is stronger than arcanite reaper and can be obtained 7 levels earlier. No.

The crossbow is basically the same as Bloodseeker from AV (only difference is one point to str vs agi). It is redundant.

Wand needs to only give 16 shadow power to be on par with AV frost wand.

The 1H mace is the same story as the crossbow, only worse because it is a copy of the AV mace BUT IT DEALS shadow damage which is insane. Blizzard tried to add an item that deals purely magical damage in tbc. It was hotfixed quickly because it is a broken dumb idea. There is this thing called armor that every creature in the game has. Shadow damage instead of physical is basically a metric ton more damage that may or may not bug out and be exploited somehow with some wonky talents or spellpower gear scaling.

Nothing to say about the polearm. It is a copy/paste of the AV polearm and thus has no reason to exist.

On another note, these are level 51 items with a 63 ilvl. Yes the AV ones also have that ilvl but AV is still a high-end pvp activity. If a 63ilvl item is to be obtainable at 51 it needs to be very challenging to obtain. 63ilvl is higher than level 60 dungeons, and pre-bis items should not be given away like candy at level 51 from a quest unless that is the final quest of a super long super hard multiple-dungeon spanning, epic adventure questline.

However, the potential is huge. With more polishing and balancing work your items can be really great. My advice to you is just keep it more simple and down-to-earth overall to make it feel turtly turtle_tongue
and ease up with the names lol

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Re: Online Quest & Item Creator

Post by Mrkrissatan » Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:08 pm

Balake wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:52 pm
The names are ridiculously over-the-top and sound like they drop from Sargeras not from a level 51 quest, if they were to be added to Turtle-wow they need more humble, normal and down-to-earth names and not xd op luls +infinity maximum powah names. And about the balance:

2H axe is stronger than arcanite reaper and can be obtained 7 levels earlier. No.

The crossbow is basically the same as Bloodseeker from AV (only difference is one point to str vs agi). It is redundant.

Wand needs to only give 16 shadow power to be on par with AV frost wand.

The 1H mace is the same story as the crossbow, only worse because it is a copy of the AV mace BUT IT DEALS shadow damage which is insane. Blizzard tried to add an item that deals purely magical damage in tbc. It was hotfixed quickly because it is a broken dumb idea. There is this thing called armor that every creature in the game has. Shadow damage instead of physical is basically a metric ton more damage that may or may not bug out and be exploited somehow with some wonky talents or spellpower gear scaling.

Nothing to say about the polearm. It is a copy/paste of the AV polearm and thus has no reason to exist.

On another note, these are level 51 items with a 63 ilvl. Yes the AV ones also have that ilvl but AV is still a high-end pvp activity. If a 63ilvl item is to be obtainable at 51 it needs to be very challenging to obtain. 63ilvl is higher than level 60 dungeons, and pre-bis items should not be given away like candy at level 51 from a quest unless that is the final quest of a super long super hard multiple-dungeon spanning, epic adventure questline.

However, the potential is huge. With more polishing and balancing work your items can be really great. My advice to you is just keep it more simple and down-to-earth overall to make it feel turtly turtle_tongue
and ease up with the names lol
I tried to make a quest for the items I created earlier but now I think it needs to be extended into a chain that crosses both continents, I'll work on the items some more later and try to make them more unique from the AV stuff.

Ride Into Obsession

This I think will be the first quest of the chain

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Torta
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Re: Online Quest & Item Creator

Post by Torta » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:44 pm

Thanks everyone for you wonderful contributions! I'll do a little update with a few more quests on the next week and then will take a break implementing community content till the release of our expansion.

Once we're done there, I'll get back to you, awesome and talented turtles :)

Dragunovi
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Re: Online Quest & Item Creator

Post by Dragunovi » Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:41 pm

"The Hand is a mysterious organisation, tasking adventurers with the collection of bones and teeth of the savage fauna that resides in Un'goro Crater. Are they just simple poachers or is there something much bigger going behind the veil?"

The questline either starts with Bone-Bladed Weapons from Jes'rimon (Horde) or from Renther Senethril, a new NPC that can be found at the top floor of SI:7 in Stormwind. He gives Bone-Bladed Weapons (Alliance) as first part. (Made it for parity, not that different from horde version.) which makes you collect white claws from the ravasaurs in Un'goro Crater.

The second part is Wingbone Weaponry (Horde Version) and Wingbone Weaponry (Alliance Version) which sends you to collect Pterrodax Wingbone from the pterrodaxes that roam around the crater. Around %70-80 drop chance. The rewards are Pterrodax Wingbow and Pterrodax Wingblade.

The third part is Boneplate of the Stegodon (Horde Version) and Boneplate of the Stegodon (Alliance Version) which sends you to collect Stegodon Boneplate from the Plated Stegodons in the crater. They drop one for the entire party and they're a %100 drop, it's not easy killing giant armored beasts.
The rewards are Boneplate Breastplate and Light Boneplate Leggings.

The last part is Bite of the Devisaur (Horde Version) and Bite of the Devilsaur (Alliance Version) which sends you to collect Devilsaur Tooth from the devilsaurs that roam around all of Un'goro Crater. Same as the stegodons, one drops for all of the party and %100 drop chance. You gotta hunt them all around the crater for this quest, they like to roam the whole zone.

The rewards are Devilsaur Tooth Necklace, Imbued Devilsaur Claw.
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Re: Online Quest & Item Creator

Post by Mrkrissatan » Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:48 pm

@Balake helped me with the Mantle of Black Earth and I just kinda went with it from there, this is our vision of enhancement shaman gear. Well at least mine heavily influenced by his lol

Coif of Elemental Visage

Mantle of Black Earth

Sundered Chain

Breakout Leggings

Mac
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Re: Online Quest & Item Creator

Post by Mac » Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:36 am

Azshara, the Zone that Devs Forgot. I think I once read that the game developers realized that Azshara was a difficult zone to navigate and just abandoned quests for it halfway through. I can't vouch if that's true, but it does seem to be considering a quest like A Crew Under Fire is completely unfinished. You complete the quest, are told to talk to the surviving passengers, and then... nothing. The quest just repeats for zero reward. None of the survivors want to say even a single word to you. WoWWiki speculates the area was meant to be like Faldir's Cove, a little pirate quest hub hidden to the majority of the players. And so, following that speculation, I've written up some quests for this spot. The quests are for both Horde and Alliance.

Because of how long this post is, I've spoilered all the info.
Optional Step 0) The Horizon Scout. This quest is meant to lead the player to the area, but can be skipped. Starts with Fleet Master Seahorn in Booty Bay.

Step 1) A Crew Under Fire. This quest is in-game, but should be made non-repeatable. Completing it should not only lead to Step 2, but open up Side Quest A and B.

Step 2) Surveying the Wreckage.

Step 3) Under the Sea.

Step 4) "Dead" Men Tell No Tales. You deliver Roland's Mana Gem to Lindros.

Step 5) Against the Spitelash. You kill Caravan Master Tset (whose name is a placeholder that the devs never bothered to finish) and get Lockbox of Artifacts, plus kill 10 Spitelash Sirens and 10 Spitelash Myrmidons.

Step 6) Delivery to Booty Bay. You get to choose one of two rewards. You also get a Shiny Brass Spyglass: A trinket that lets you use Humanoid Tracking (a 3 minute duration version of Track Humanoids) with a 90 minute cooldown.

And now for the two side quests.

Side Quest A) Lost Keepsake. You have to find Alexandra's Keepsake. It drops off Spitelash Sirens or Spitelash Myrmidons so there's synergy with the main quest. The drop rate should be fairly low, like Sida's Bag low. You choose one of three rewards:

Side Quest B) Feeding the Crew
. You need to collect 10 Chunks of Mosshoof Meat from Mosshoof Coursers and/or Mosshoof Stags (but not Mosshoof Runners, because they're too lean). You get 5 Mosshoof Burgers and meat is back on the menu.

NOTES) The following NPCs are not in the game world (I checked) but should be in the database: Second Mate Shandril, Roland Geardabbler, Horizon Scout Cook, Horizon Scout Engineer, and Horizon Scout First Mate. I couldn't get a good location on these guys since they're off map, but this video from 2008 shows exactly where they belong.

The Horizon Scout itself is partially within fatigue water. Swimming in, you'll get fatigue. However, within the captain's room (where Roland Geardabbler should be), you won't suffer from fatigue.

While digging through information on this, I found two unused quests related to this area. One was to kill Roland, which I nixxed because he's a level 43 and the quest is for level 52s. Also, he's friendly to everyone. The other one had you get his mana gem, and it would have been from a container (that also isn't in the game), but I decided to nix that, too, because that container was in fatigue water.

And as a side note, there's apparently a line of 3 minute tracking spells for each type that are learnable by players (as in there's a corresponding spell that teaches it). They're all called "X Tracking" (like "Humanoid Tracking"). Either this is an early version of the Hunter's track line that they cut, or (as I prefer to believe), it's a line of abilities for another class. I think it'd really fit Rogues since they have the whole assassin thing going for them, and assassins should be able to track their prey.

I hope this wasn't too much. I don't know if you have a limit to how many quests or items you can add to the game. I also hope I made it in time for that final update before the expansion.
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Dragunovi
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Re: Online Quest & Item Creator

Post by Dragunovi » Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:17 am

I think they're gonna do the previous quests for the final update, guess we'll wait. Also some feedback: You could fix https://dev.turtle-wow.org/#!/itemcreat ... wiTlVMTCJd 8 (Flowing Sash of the Tides) because a straight up 17 increase is a bit powerful and can't be found anywhere else. So this makes it fit in more and be balanced. Also the Pirate Parrying Dagger feels a big weak, but that's it. Other than that they look pretty balanced. The relics remind me of the situitational relic in TBC, they're pretty cool.
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Mac
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Re: Online Quest & Item Creator

Post by Mac » Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:26 pm

Dragunovi wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:17 am
I think they're gonna do the previous quests for the final update, guess we'll wait. Also some feedback: You could fix https://dev.turtle-wow.org/#!/itemcreat ... wiTlVMTCJd 8 (Flowing Sash of the Tides) because a straight up 17 increase is a bit powerful and can't be found anywhere else. So this makes it fit in more and be balanced. Also the Pirate Parrying Dagger feels a big weak, but that's it. Other than that they look pretty balanced. The relics remind me of the situitational relic in TBC, they're pretty cool.
Yeah, with the relics, I wanted to make something that would be good in very specific fights and situations. I thought about the paladin one being damage versus undead, but it seemed a bit too overly useful, especially with Naxxramas.

As for the sash, I wasn't sure how much would be fair. Maybe 13 Frost damage would be a bit more fair. And for the dagger, maybe +5 Agility would bump it up a bit. Here they are updated: Pirate Parrying Dagger and Flowing Sash of the Tide.

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Re: Online Quest & Item Creator

Post by Dragunovi » Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:47 pm

Dagger is alright now, what i meant with the sash was there are No effects that increases Spellpower by a flat amount, every Spellpower has "up to" on it because most spells scale different with spellpower, the one your using is an older iteration of spellpower. You could search up "increases spell dam" or "increases frost dam" in Classic DB for the right values.
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Mac
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Re: Online Quest & Item Creator

Post by Mac » Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:06 pm

Dragunovi wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:47 pm
Dagger is alright now, what i meant with the sash was there are No effects that increases Spellpower by a flat amount, every Spellpower has "up to" on it because most spells scale different with spellpower, the one your using is an older iteration of spellpower. You could search up "increases spell dam" or "increases frost dam" in Classic DB for the right values.
Ah ha! So something like this then. Thanks!

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Re: Online Quest & Item Creator

Post by Pompa » Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:29 pm

Mac wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:51 am
Here are three more quests, this time for Ashenvale. One is for the Horde, one is for Alliance, and one is for both.

The first quest is for the Horde. Report to Shatterskull: This is a bread crumb quest meant to lead you to the quest giver. It's not required to do.

Legacy of the Legion: Collect 15 Marks of the Burning Legion from demons in the Felfire Hill/Demon Fall Canyon area. These demons are Mannoroc Lasher, Felguard, and Searing Infernal. Drop rate should be about 80% (not every time, but usually).

Rewards: Demonic Claws or Ring of Rage, and 200 Razor Arrows.



Next quest is for Alliance. Report to Farsong: Again, this is another optional bread crumb trail to the quest giver.

The Song of War: This quest has you go into Warsong Lumber Camp and kill orcs for 15 Warsong Axes. These will drop off Horde Deforesters, Horde Grunts, Horde Peons, Horde Scouts, and Horde Shamen. Again, like an 80% drop rate should be good.

Rewards: Band of Ivy or Orcfoe, and 200 Razor Arrows.



The final quest line is for both Horde and Alliance. It starts by looting the Cursed Medallion off Diathorus the Seeker who is currently deep in a barrow den in Demon Fall Ridge. This starts the quest The Cursed Medallion.

If you follow the clue, you wind up talking to Krazek in Booty Bay. He gives you Securing the Cure, which has you go kill Bloodmage Thalnos in Scarlet Monastery (Graveyard) to loot Distilled Essence of Holy Light off of him. That leads to the quest Seek Strahad Farsan where you go to Booty Bay and talk to Strahad Farsan. This leads to the final quest, The Cured Medallion, where you give him the medallion, the essence, and 50 silver (not sure if I did that right in the quest maker) to get the reward, Medallion of Might.

Any feedback is appreciated.

*Edited the icon and name of Cured Medallion to Medallion of Might.
Hello! I'm trying to implement your quests but you missed some stuff:
· Who should start the Horde quest.
· Who should start the Alliance quest.
· Missing EndText and ObjectiveText(s) in the quests.

If you are having troubles understanding what are some fields for, make sure to read this: https://mangoszero-docs.readthedocs.io/ ... plate.html
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Re: Online Quest & Item Creator

Post by Mac » Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:50 pm

Pompa wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:29 pm
Hello! I'm trying to implement your quests but you missed some stuff:
· Who should start the Horde quest.
· Who should start the Alliance quest.
· Missing EndText and ObjectiveText(s) in the quests.

If you are having troubles understanding what are some fields for, make sure to read this: https://mangoszero-docs.readthedocs.io/ ... plate.html
Report to Shattersong starts with Fahrak. Report to Farsong starts with Raene Wolfrunner.

I added ObjectiveText(s) to the quests that don't have kills/collects, but wasn't sure on EndText. I looked at some other submitted quests and didn't see any that used the field. Reading through the documentation, it says it's used if the SpecialFlag requires, but the SpecialFlag is set to 0 for each of the quests, so I dunno.

Report to Shattersong

Report to Farsong

The Cursed Medallion

Seek Strahad Farsan

The Cured Medallion

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Re: Online Quest & Item Creator

Post by Vatas » Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:19 am

Do you think Desolace has enough quests? There could be kill or collect quest involving https://classic.wowhead.com/npc=11563/drysnap-pincer and https://classic.wowhead.com/npc=11562/drysnap-crawler (kill 10 of both or collect 10 Drysnap Claws https://classic.wowhead.com/icon=133708/unknown-icon )

Note that said mobs are already used by https://classic.wowhead.com/quest=6161/ ... s-treasure (they drop the Silver Key) didn't remember this when I first came up with the idea.

These mobs are found right at the Shadowprey Village waters, this would be a quest you can immediately start doing after arriving there (in contrast to most Desolace quests which tend to send you across the zone.)

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