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Greetings wonderful community!

As you might remember from our announcement of Class Changes, one of our goals is to alter or enhance certain existing aspects of the game to uphold current standards, this also extends to items aswell.

Unique item design is one of the strongest parts of Vanilla, finding that item with the prefix "of the Bear" amongst the piles of rubbish has always felt good, feeling truly rewarded after getting that one item you grinded a dungeon for days. Even if we want to preserve this feeling there are items that are too weak for their qualities, that end up sharded whenever they drop.

This is very prevelant on crafted items too, easily getting replaced by dungeon or raid drops, ruining the feeling of accomplishment of gathering materials and forging your equipment with your own hands.

We intent to fix atleast some of these problems with this line of changes, improving niche epic world drops, epic items that require epic tokens from Upper Blackrock Spire, crafted items and more! And the best part, these changes are applied right now!
You can find the list of changes below.

Remember to clear your WDB folder for these changes to be visible.

Lifestone | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Jeweled Amulet of Cainwyn | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Icemail Jerkin | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Blade of Hanna | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Feathered Breastplate | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Dawnbringer Shoulders | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Helm of the Great Chief | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Backusarian Gauntlets | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Cap of the Scarlet Savant | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Leggings of Arcana | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Breastplate of Bloodthirst | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Enchanted Battlehammer | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Corruption | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Arcanite Champion | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version (Additional Change: Increased proc chance by 20%.)

Chestplate of the Chromatic Flight | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Legguards of the Chromatic Defier | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Legplates of the Chromatic Defier | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Wind Dancer Boots | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Gift of the Elven Magi | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Handcrafted Mastersmith Leggings | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Eye of the Beast | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Mooncloth Leggings | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Mooncloth Vest | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Mooncloth Shoulders | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Mooncloth Circlet | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Gloves of Spell Mastery | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Lady Maye's Pendant | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Bloodmail Hauberk | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Green Dragonscale Breastplate | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Green Dragonscale Leggings | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Ironfeather Breastplate | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Ironfeather Shoulders | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Mooncloth Boots | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Dark Iron Rifle | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Flawless Arcanite Rifle | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Fiery Chain Shoulders | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Fiery Chain Girdle | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Stonerender Gauntlets | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Dark Iron Destroyer | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Core Marksman Rifle | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Energized Chestplate | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Bile-etched Spaulders | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Belt of the Archmage | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Mooncloth Gloves | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Mooncloth Robe | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Girdle of Insight | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Grimy Metal Boots | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Death Knight Sabatons | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Grand Crusader's Helm | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Morlune's Bracer | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Necromantic Band | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Heavy Timbermaw Belt | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Wisdom of the Timbermaw | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Heavy Timbermaw Boots | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Mantle of the Timbermaw | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Girdle of the Dawn | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Argent Boots | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Gloves of the Dawn | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Argent Shoulders | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Blackfury | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Heathen's Brand (Friendly) | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Heathen's Brand (Honored) | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Heathen's Brand (Revered) | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Hero's Brand (Exalted) | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Vision of Voodress (Friendly) | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Vision of Voodress (Honored) | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Vision of Voodress (Revered) | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Unmarred Vision of Voodress (Exalted) | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Enchanted South Seas Kelp (Honored) | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Enchanted South Seas Kelp (Revered) | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Pristine Enchanted South Seas Kelp (Exalted) | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Blood Tiger Breastplate | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Blood Tiger Shoulders | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Zandalar Freethinker's Breastplate | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Seafury Leggings | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Green Dragonscale Gauntlets | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Gauntlets of the Shining Light | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Boots of the Desert Protector | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Deathmist Mask | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Deathmist Robe | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Deathmist Sandals | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Deathmist Wraps | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Soulforge Boots | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Soulforge Breastplate | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Soulforge Helm | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Soulforge Legplates | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Bindings of The Five Thunders | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Boots of The Five Thunders | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Coif of The Five Thunders | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Kilt of The Five Thunders | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Pauldrons of The Five Thunders | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Vest of The Five Thunders | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Man.... Great work as always

Thanx everyone

Please change the Bile-etched Spaulders back, they're my choice for tanking until I get T0.5 shoulders specifically because of the +17 Strength coming along on a piece of plate with some additional tanky stats riding on it. They were a completely solid choice for a threat boost on a fresh 60 tank without sacrificing survivability. I preferred them over the Valor shoulders because of the combination of higher strength and defense (which also helps dps/threat through slightly more instances of parry haste and blocks triggering effects like shield spikes).

Garakawa wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:23 pm

Please change the Bile-etched Spaulders back, they're my choice for tanking until I get T0.5 shoulders specifically because of the +17 Strength coming along on a piece of plate with some additional tanky stats riding on it. They were a completely solid choice for a threat boost on a fresh 60 tank without sacrificing survivability. I preferred them over the Valor shoulders because of the combination of higher strength and defense (which also helps dps/threat through slightly more instances of parry haste and blocks triggering effects like shield spikes).

https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=18493 still exists with less stamina but more strength they are basically equal.

If you put intellect on a plate item, it is basically a paladin item, or i suppose a warrior item with bad itemization since intellect does nothing for warriors apart from increasing the rate you skill weapons which is just fluff, but still overall bulky iron/stockade are better for the job. With this item it gave alot of strength for paladins when strength is not needed for tanking, and paladins lack stamina in the early game. So, having alot of strength made it a worse item in this case compared to the alternatives, when it comes to paladins which again is the intended class. Hence, the target audience for this item did not use this item, especially when that target audience lacks gear choices in vanilla, that being paladin tanks.

And this is one of the few items in the game that is actually intended for paladin tanks and it was pretty badly itemized which reflects on the spec.

Between the class changes and now these item changes I’m so excited to play my shaman more

What a great update!! would you concider adding more druid bear weapons. Now there is only the wardens staff, a low lvl 2h mace and some high lvl one handers :)

Damn this is really great work !!!

- I see the conversion of useless spirit items in another useful stat like healing or spell
- I see more Ret items
- I see more Palaprot items
- I see some Shamtank items !!!
- I see some Lock Pet Tanking !
- I see also good change on the speed of some weapons

Velite wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:40 pm

https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=18493 still exists with less stamina but more strength they are basically equal.

If you put intellect on a plate item, it is basically a paladin item, or i suppose a warrior item with bad itemization since intellect does nothing for warriors apart from increasing the rate you skill weapons which is just fluff, but still overall bulky iron/stockade are better for the job. With this item it gave alot of strength for paladins when strength is not needed for tanking, and paladins lack stamina in the early game. So, having alot of strength made it a worse item in this case compared to the alternatives, when it comes to paladins which again is the intended class. Hence, the target audience for this item did not use this item, especially when that target audience lacks gear choices in vanilla, that being paladin tanks.

And this is one of the few items in the game that is actually intended for paladin tanks and it was pretty badly itemized which reflects on the spec.

That isn't more strength. The old Bile-Etched had 17, Bulky has 15. If we were to axe the +5 Spirit on Bulky and bump up its strength by +2 so it's a full replacement for the old Bile-Etched, that would be something I'd be happy with.

Garakawa wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:55 pm

Velite wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:40 pm

https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=18493 still exists with less stamina but more strength they are basically equal.

If you put intellect on a plate item, it is basically a paladin item, or i suppose a warrior item with bad itemization since intellect does nothing for warriors apart from increasing the rate you skill weapons which is just fluff, but still overall bulky iron/stockade are better for the job. With this item it gave alot of strength for paladins when strength is not needed for tanking, and paladins lack stamina in the early game. So, having alot of strength made it a worse item in this case compared to the alternatives, when it comes to paladins which again is the intended class. Hence, the target audience for this item did not use this item, especially when that target audience lacks gear choices in vanilla, that being paladin tanks.

And this is one of the few items in the game that is actually intended for paladin tanks and it was pretty badly itemized which reflects on the spec.

That isn't more strength. The old Bile-Etched had 17, Bulky has 15. If we were to axe the +5 Spirit on Bulky and bump up its strength by +2 so it's a full replacement for the old Bile-Etched, that would be something I'd be happy with.

I can agree because spirit is a vestigial stat of when mp5 didn't exist on most items, and it really only benefits Troll warriors which again, it's not enough spirit across items to make an impact. So yeah, I don't get why some plate gear has spirit at endgame. While leveling? Sure, spirit warrior is actually a thing.

Any chance of linking photos in the post?

Clicking the links individually is pain

https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=12782
display bug on this, shows "+-40 spirit"

Looks like great work overall.

The new goal for my shaman is to farm this new T0.5 : the idea to put %attack speed on it sounds too fun to pass on.

Overall it is cool to see yall taking a look at this stuff and trying to improve it. However, when it come to items like these:
Breastplate of Bloodthirst | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Chestplate of the Chromatic Flight | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Legguards of the Chromatic Defier | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Legplates of the Chromatic Defier | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

The change in stats isn't the core of the issue its the ability to obtain the item. These items have always been ridiculous to try to achieve and especially based on our server population I don't even think for example a Pristine Hide has even dropped. What good are stat changes if the item is basically unattainable? Recommendations would be to increase drop chance of the epic item or change how its earned since there are quests that go with these. Would like to see the later based on yalls work with custom components.

Just from my own experience I got Malfurions Blessed Baulwark before I even saw the +15 to skin blade drop off beast.

Rest in peace, Spirit.

Also that Eye of the Beast change is nice for Holy Paladins.

Rakura wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:42 pm

Overall it is cool to see yall taking a look at this stuff and trying to improve it. However, when it come to items like these:
Breastplate of Bloodthirst | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Chestplate of the Chromatic Flight | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Legguards of the Chromatic Defier | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Legplates of the Chromatic Defier | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

The change in stats isn't the core of the issue its the ability to obtain the item. These items have always been ridiculous to try to achieve and especially based on our server population I don't even think for example a Pristine Hide has even dropped. What good are stat changes if the item is basically unattainable? Recommendations would be to increase drop chance of the epic item or change how its earned since there are quests that go with these. Would like to see the later based on yalls work with custom components.

Just from my own experience I got Malfurions Blessed Baulwark before I even saw the +15 to skin blade drop off beast.

"Pristine Hide" is not required to obtain these items. If you are talking about Chromatic Carapace, I just looted one this morning.

The rarity of these items is their attraction and why they are awesome to get. Do not change the droprate. This attitude of "I want things to be easier to obtain" is lazy to be honest.
If you want it, farm it. It gives you a nice self-assigned goal. And imo it's quite easy to farm, as UBRS has no raid timer gatekeeping.

Lahire wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:57 pm

Rakura wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:42 pm

Overall it is cool to see yall taking a look at this stuff and trying to improve it. However, when it come to items like these:
Breastplate of Bloodthirst | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Chestplate of the Chromatic Flight | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Legguards of the Chromatic Defier | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

Legplates of the Chromatic Defier | Original: Classic Version | Updated: Turtle WoW Version

The change in stats isn't the core of the issue its the ability to obtain the item. These items have always been ridiculous to try to achieve and especially based on our server population I don't even think for example a Pristine Hide has even dropped. What good are stat changes if the item is basically unattainable? Recommendations would be to increase drop chance of the epic item or change how its earned since there are quests that go with these. Would like to see the later based on yalls work with custom components.

Just from my own experience I got Malfurions Blessed Baulwark before I even saw the +15 to skin blade drop off beast.

"Pristine Hide" is not required to obtain these items. If you are talking about Chromatic Carapace, I just looted one this morning.

The rarity of these items is their attraction and why they are awesome to get. Do not change the droprate. This attitude of "I want things to be easier to obtain" is lazy to be honest.
If you want it, farm it. It gives you a nice self-assigned goal. And imo it's quite easy to farm, as UBRS has no raid timer gatekeeping.

Yeah I am aware that the plate/mail pieces require carapace from Gyth, from first sight it made me sad that these cool epics instantly get outshined by an epic you just get from a casual raid night while you need to farm gold and have to do a dungeon 5(!) times to grab a special item for them, scarlet thread from stratholme live for cap of the scarlet savant for example. I'm planning on adding a new quest for a similiar item to these for a new paladin shoulder, with similiar requirements, 5 dungeon runs included.

Love most of the changes, honestly. A lot of them were very needed, especially the mooncloth ones actually making the items at least make you question whether the price tag is worth it. Been seeing a few of those crop up on fresh 60s here and there for the first time ever.

Any thoughts on a possible new druid relic to make Hurricane usable for actual AoE dps instead of the spell you use to keep AoE tanks alive on a big pull? Currently the spell is horridly expensive mana-wise, the damage is middling, and it has a 60 second cd, meaning aside from the unique drop in mob attack speed it's the worst AoE spell that hits everything in an area. Not saying it should outshine mage or lock AoE, but when even holy nova on a holy priest can outshine hurricane dps I feel something could stand to change.

Maybe a relic that drops the cd in half, or maybe makes the mana cost cheaper, you could have the glyph increase it's duration, possibly add a movement slowing effect, or even just a buff to it's unique aspect of attack speed debuff, anything to make the spell worth casting in all but an incredibly sparse number of cases.

I've so far only ever used the spell in raids, never dungeons or solo, and in all cases but exactly one it was because I didn't have another AoE option, and even then I usually just revert to single-target wrath spam. The one other case was to give a paladin tank damage mitigation on Fankriss when tanking his little adds. That's literally it. There's so many places where AoE could be used in dungeons and even solo leveling and farming, but the downsides of the spell make it prohibitive on multiple fronts from doing what an AoE damage spell should do in my opinion.

wish there are more fast twohanded weapon.
The vanilla version of Blackfury had good fast weapon speed. Why increase it's weapon speed? There are already many slow twohand weapon in game.