Final Changelog for Class Changes coming in 1.16.1

Garish
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Re: Final Changelog for Class Changes coming in 1.16.1

Post by Garish » Tue Feb 22, 2022 9:18 pm

Garish wrote:
Tue Feb 22, 2022 9:16 pm
as a melee hunter u can do a dual tank leveling with a bear or boar pet, using all your dots on a mob and make your pet aggro, than pull another mob and put your dots (lacerate with bloodlust and wolf aspect greatly improve this build tho) than melee the mobs to death.

Melee hunter only needs 2 things
1. buff in melee dmg skills(with wolf aspect on,maybe hitting with both weapons with 100% dmg)
2. moongose bite working on parrys (deflection talent supports that)
Plus tip:
Bleeding crescent axe is your core item at lvl 30
https://classic.wowhead.com/item=6738/bleeding-crescent

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Ravielsk
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Post by Ravielsk » Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:31 pm

I am very thankful for the teams willingness to to make some serious changes to the classes. Adding new content to the game while keeping the old borked classes would just feel like wasted effort. Especially the paladin changes are very much welcome.

But if I am getting this right these changes are not yet implemented on the live server as that runs on the 1.16.0 client and not 1.16.1. Did I understand that right?

Amarath
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Post by Amarath » Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:57 am

With these changes im coming to TWow. This was what was holding me back. I played classic, twice on retail and a few times on pservers. A new starting zone is not enough for me to play it again. Now classic as a paladin, shaman, and others sure ill sign up for that.

Amarath
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Re: Final Changelog for Class Changes coming in 1.16.1

Post by Amarath » Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:29 am

Ravielsk wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:31 pm
I am very thankful for the teams willingness to to make some serious changes to the classes. Adding new content to the game while keeping the old borked classes would just feel like wasted effort. Especially the paladin changes are very much welcome.

But if I am getting this right these changes are not yet implemented on the live server as that runs on the 1.16.0 client and not 1.16.1. Did I understand that right?
Yeah its not live and the current conflict i guess is causing more delay. They did send an update in the discord saying so, but they roll out patches slowly after all it is turtle wow :P ... i wouldn't count of them shortly, but they could come.
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Amarath
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Re: Final Changelog for Class Changes coming in 1.16.1

Post by Amarath » Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:39 am

Brandedblade wrote:
Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:27 pm
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The big question is however, the fact that you are hinting at the concept of increasing the debuff limit with rogue but not giving a clear answer? If you are increasing the debuff cap then alot of my concerns are mitigated. However, if you are not doing so then that still has the issue of Crusader Strike not being worth stacking. The idea of using Crusader Strike to buff your damage + opening up your judgment slot for Light/Wisdom is definitely an idea I enjoy, but i'm concerned about the debuff slot economy in regards to this concept.
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Overall, I love the concept overall and I'm excited to try it once it's properly implemented, but my main concern is how crusader strike is going to be possibly catered too justify it's debuff slot and how one could use that to help ret paladin have a niche in a raid setting.
They almost have to do this or spriest cannot use VE to mana battery. I mean with buff cap increased Shadow priests could easily be useful (TBC players love them so will you). But without VE they are just bad dps. (I guess the changes help the 1 in raid used for Shadow Weaving...)

Jombo
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Re: Final Changelog for Class Changes coming in 1.16.1

Post by Jombo » Fri Mar 18, 2022 7:42 am

Question about Arcane Brilliance aura. In WC3 it was an actual aura. Since you still use that name, why not make it an actual aura instead of a 30 min buff? Also it would be less annoying to use and stand out as a new feature in a positive way.

Keridan66
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Post by Keridan66 » Sat Mar 19, 2022 12:01 am

Any information, when this changes to classes and talents are going to be done on the server? At least I'd love to know if it will be this month or not.

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Allwynd01
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Re: Final Changelog for Class Changes coming in 1.16.1

Post by Allwynd01 » Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:57 am

Keridan66 wrote:
Sat Mar 19, 2022 12:01 am
Any information, when this changes to classes and talents are going to be done on the server? At least I'd love to know if it will be this month or not.
Probably never.

Nartt
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Post by Nartt » Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:55 am

Keridan66 wrote:
Sat Mar 19, 2022 12:01 am
Any information, when this changes to classes and talents are going to be done on the server? At least I'd love to know if it will be this month or not.
+1

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Sinrek
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Post by Sinrek » Sun Mar 20, 2022 9:05 pm

We're currently testing some spells and trying to come up with sensible values, so, as you might've imagine it takes time.

Stay tuned for the announcement. I'm sure nobody wants to have a patch with tons of new bugs, right?
satisfied_turtle Slowly turtling my way up.

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Witch101
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Re: Final Changelog for Class Changes coming in 1.16.1

Post by Witch101 » Sun Mar 20, 2022 9:14 pm

Please shorten Hurricane's cooldown. Thanks.

Olgah
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Post by Olgah » Wed Mar 23, 2022 9:31 pm

That's a LOT of mana for a single target "somewhat" CC on the Troll shaman racial skill.

While the other two gets a full 20 seconds duration on their own, the hex *Which would be really only useful on caster-type mobs or players* assuming you can't dispel it. You'll rather prefer a mage to cast Polymorph and that'll be better, in fact any other CC is just overall better, there's no need for the 4 seconds hex.

The troll one really needs a change, it's very underwhelming, and 21% base mana cost it's a LOT for it.

I'll rather them have a Serpent Ward instead, that last the full 20 seconds duration and deals some chaotic single target spicy damage than the Hex if we're talking on voodoo-ish-shadow hunter type of racial for troll shamans.

IMO the hex as it is there, is rather weak and unneeded, in comparison to the other two who seems to have a better usability.

Zenjarla
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Post by Zenjarla » Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:00 pm

Warrior change

While i agree that warriors are silly in vanilla there was 1 change in TBC that i think would be a great addition in classic, and that is the support role of arms warrior by giving them the blood frenzy talent:
"Your Rend and Deep Wounds abilities also increase all physical damage caused to that target by 4%."

Whit this talent it was desirable to not only have fury warriors but an arms that actually could bring something more then just dmg to the raid. That and also the nature of TBC (And even more in vanilla) where some bosses needed more then 1 tank, the arms (because of the nature of his talent tree) had no issue filling the spot as a back up tank. It also created a spot for a 2h dmg dealer that is basically none existed and almost all 2h wpns are consider pvp wpns in vanilla.

A big issue is that you dont want to give this to warriors for free in their pvp spec, but by the nautre of having it in the end of the talent tree ppl would need to make the choice of ether having 5 points in enrage or 4% dmg... which no pvper would ever consider taking since thats 4% vs 10%.

But i also realise that buffing physical dmg for vanilla might not the best direction since their overall dmg scale to good, and the fact that Arms in TBC have a rotation with slam, and slam in vanilla is not the same, specially since you cant reach improved slam (unless you lower it) while having mortal strike and this talent.

I know this might be to much but as a fan of support warrior build in tbc i hope maybe it could inspire a future look over. Vanilla have the best world, but tbc brings soo many more fun and unique builds and i think many forget this role of an arms support. happy_turtle_head

Tasman
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Re: Final Changelog for Class Changes coming in 1.16.1

Post by Tasman » Sun Apr 03, 2022 2:44 am

About paladin changes.
I have some ideas about alternative version of taunt for paladins. Also it can be fine addition to seal taunt that devs introduced in new talent trees. This will be spell that can be trained at 16 lvl if it will be main taunt. Or on 30 lvl as secondary mass taunt but with much longer cooldown. (Current version portrayed as main taunt).
Orb of Light
3% of base mana
30 yard range.
15 sec cooldown
Instant
Hurls an orb that explodes in area targeted by paladin, taunting all enemies that are present in radius of 5 yards.
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Allwynd01
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Re: Final Changelog for Class Changes coming in 1.16.1

Post by Allwynd01 » Sun Apr 03, 2022 8:54 am

Melee Hunters should be able to equip shields.

Captem
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Post by Captem » Wed Apr 06, 2022 2:11 pm

To the DEVS, regarding the Druid changes: Make the Tree of Life shapeshift visual form OPTIONAL, either with some kind of glyph or similar. Like others have mentioned earlier in the thread, the tree of life Treant is not very visually appealing and is not in line with the Druid Lore in the warcraft universe. Druids could summon treants and could shapeshift into animals and beasts, but they were mainly casters in humanoid form. Please consider making it optional, or even change the ability from shapeshifting to something else, or even use the Cata version. I'm sure a lot of players would greatly appreciate this.

Thank you.

Here's a good representation of a healing Druid:
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Tasman
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Re: Final Changelog for Class Changes coming in 1.16.1

Post by Tasman » Wed Apr 06, 2022 7:42 pm

Another idea about paladin changes.
Holy talent tree, row 3.
Name: Holy Land.
Requires 10 points in Holy Talents and 1 point to obtain it (It should be placed where consecration is located at this moment).
Description:
Grants your consecration spell ability to heal you, members of your party and raid if they stand on the consecrated land. Healing occurs every time when damage supposed to be done to the enemies who enter the area.
Note:
To make things clear, damage and healing scales separately from two specific spell power stats. In stock without any spell power, damage and healing are equal to each other. But if you have more damage spell power, damage from consecration will be higher than healing. Same it works if you have more healing spell power.

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Kasztan
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Re: Final Changelog for Class Changes coming in 1.16.1

Post by Kasztan » Mon Apr 11, 2022 12:50 pm

Sooooo, any news on when the class changes patch will be released?

Marty1980
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Post by Marty1980 » Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:57 pm

I really enjoy all those change and it will make it quite unique. But to just use TBC talent tree, make the cap at 60, and remove outland, would certainly bring more new player.

I am a new player here and will stay no matter what, but vanilla + had new spec, new spell, and it s dropped quite fast.

So it seem only a minority of people love those custom change.

I really enjoy what i am seeing so far, but the server could use and extra few hundreds of active players.

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Chulain
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Re: Final Changelog for Class Changes coming in 1.16.1

Post by Chulain » Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:13 am

Can we make Curse of Shadow/Elements also lower Nature resistance? Idc for the 10% added damage I just would love to see the resistance lowered since it's difficult to get a whopping 75 resistance reduction

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