Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Poll: Should we implement Undead Hunters in 1.15.2?

Yes
113
84%
No
21
16%
 
Total votes: 134

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Mrkrissatan
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Mrkrissatan » Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:49 pm

Velite wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:13 pm
piggybacking on thread to vote for dwarf shaman
Then there should be undead paladins, if it's lore breaking somehow for someone's head cannon then just give them a passive ability that changes all holy magic into shadow or something

Balake
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Balake » Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:03 pm

I think the point of disagreement here on whether the hunter class in WoW is inherently naturalist or just a generic bow/crossbow/gun user that can train pets. The character creation screen describes it as follows: "Hunters know the uncharted places of the world. Gifted with a deep empathy for all life, they have an uncanny knack for befriending wild animals and taming them as pets. In addition, hunters can use their finely honed senses to become master trackers. Wherever hunters go, they fight back the ravages of sickness, exploitation, and industrialization."

The description seems to single them out. Undead obviously don't have a deep sympathy for life, quite the opposite in fact. And humans in WoW just don't seem like outdoorsy people to be honest.

There are definitely proficient sharpshooters in Stormwind's and Undercity's military forces, and humans (dead or alive) surely can tame wild animals if they wanted to, but that still doesn't make them connected to nature in the same way Night Elves, Tauren, Trolls, Orcs, and Dwarves are.

To be fair, Gnomes hunters don't fit either but that's already been added, so what does this mean? Blizzard not adding Human, Forsaken, and Gnome hunters was a deliberate decision because they didn't fit what Blizzard had in mind for the hunter class. It has nothing to do with the 6 class limit. I personally believe Turtle WoW shouldn't stringently restrict themselves to Blizzard's vision. It's fine to broaden the identity of hunters a little bit and allow races without an affinity to nature to play the class. Editing the creation screen description to cement this change would be a nice touch if that's possible, if not then it's not a big deal.

No undead paladins though dead_turtle_head maintenance_turtle

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Qixel
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Qixel » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:18 pm

The issue most people seem to have is deciding that each race is a hivemind who can't possibly have members that go against cultural norms. So, going off the character creation screen, 'a typical warrior is strong, tough, and exceptionally violent'.* Gnomes warriors cannot exist because they trend toward friendly. Warlocks are 'feared above all else for their singular wickedness and cruelty'. Again, guess we can't have gnome warlocks, putting aside for the moment that everyone except the token evil forsaken would have you killed on sight for fel magic. For paladins, they make mention of how it's lorewise human-only but they decided to let some dwarfs in. No mention of high elves, gotta get rid of them, too. On the hunter topic, 'Wherever hunters go, they fight back the ravages of sickness, exploitation, and industrialization. Guess the industrial themed dwarves gotta go.

Server's down, but I'll continue. Undead priests should be unable to call upon holy magic, given they're damned. Better scrap them. Druids are a male night elf only thing, lorewise. Scrap all female night elf druids, and all tauren druids - Cenarius only trained night elf men. Male night elves are not able to be priests - in night elf society, only women can become priestesses of Elune.

Blizzard did not care. Stop pretending they did. If you can't, just do what Blizzard did and change things until they work like dwarf paladins and non-male-night-elf druids.

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Torta
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Torta » Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:23 pm

Thanks everyone for contributing to this poll. Based on the feedback, we've made a decision to add both new class/race combos: Dwarf Mages and Undead Hunters in the upcoming client update.

Netbeck
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Netbeck » Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:17 pm

I am just wondering what took so long to think about playable undead hunters.
Go for it.

Allwynd01
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Allwynd01 » Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:48 pm

Valadorn wrote:
Sun Jul 04, 2021 2:10 pm
I would like to mention that if Undeads have Hunters, Humans should also have them, but I sadly understand that there can not be more than 6 classes / race, which is pretty sad.
I agree on this - Humans should also have a Hunter, in fact almost every race should have it as they need to eat and not everyone is a farmer.

Also I think that Hunters' Survival talent tree should get more attention with more attention on melee - like 1-2 more active melee abilities, as well as ones like Wing Clip and Raptor Strike, as well as melee auto attack dealing improved damage.

Of course, certainly not to the point where Survival becomes OP, but to a point where it's actually fun and different and somewhat viable.

So I vote YES on Forsaken Hunters as long as Humans get Hunters as well.

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Torta
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Torta » Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:28 am

Allwynd01 wrote:
Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:48 pm
So I vote YES on Forsaken Hunters as long as Humans get Hunters as well.
As much as I personally would like it, we don't really have space in the client UI for it. Human already has 6 classes.

Allwynd01
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Allwynd01 » Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:33 pm

Torta wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:28 am
Allwynd01 wrote:
Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:48 pm
So I vote YES on Forsaken Hunters as long as Humans get Hunters as well.
As much as I personally would like it, we don't really have space in the client UI for it. Human already has 6 classes.
Can't that limitation be bypassed in some way? Like class buttons made smaller or replaced with a drop down menu.

You already expanded the UI to feature two more buttons for additional races.

I don't know how possible it is, but there can be implemented some system in the game where each character can talk to an NPC in the game and change their class to a different one, of course with some lore limitations.

For example you want to be a Human Hunter, you talk to some NPC in some city like Booty Bay and tell them you don't want to be a Human Mage anymore, but a Human Hunter instead. So the NPC gives you a short set of kill and fetch quests related to the class you are switching to:

- Hunter is about killing deadly beats, collecting trophies or taming pets
- Mage is about killing aggressive elementals, collecting rare artifacts
- Warlock is about taming demons, killing demons, collecting demonic artifacts
- Warrior is about killing soldiers, bandits, collecting some weapons or whatever..

you get the idea...

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Gheor
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Gheor » Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:51 pm

Allwynd01 wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:33 pm
Torta wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:28 am
Allwynd01 wrote:
Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:48 pm
So I vote YES on Forsaken Hunters as long as Humans get Hunters as well.
As much as I personally would like it, we don't really have space in the client UI for it. Human already has 6 classes.
Can't that limitation be bypassed in some way? Like class buttons made smaller or replaced with a drop down menu.

You already expanded the UI to feature two more buttons for additional races.

I don't know how possible it is, but there can be implemented some system in the game where each character can talk to an NPC in the game and change their class to a different one, of course with some lore limitations.

For example you want to be a Human Hunter, you talk to some NPC in some city like Booty Bay and tell them you don't want to be a Human Mage anymore, but a Human Hunter instead. So the NPC gives you a short set of kill and fetch quests related to the class you are switching to:

- Hunter is about killing deadly beats, collecting trophies or taming pets
- Mage is about killing aggressive elementals, collecting rare artifacts
- Warlock is about taming demons, killing demons, collecting demonic artifacts
- Warrior is about killing soldiers, bandits, collecting some weapons or whatever..

you get the idea...
We didn't figure out how to do it yet.
Human Hunters will definitely come in the future as soon as break the barrier.
A sheet of paper and a pen can give birth to many things.

Gheor

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Allwynd01
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Allwynd01 » Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:35 pm

Mephistopheles wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:51 pm

We didn't figure out how to do it yet.
Human Hunters will definitely come in the future as soon as break the barrier.
That is certainly good to know. smiling_turtle_head

Tortuga
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Tortuga » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:58 am

Great idea with class change via a NPC!
But it would be better to place these NPCs right in the starting zone, and allow class change at level 1 only, to avoid complications like: char buys the initial class spells, armor..., then it's necessary to clean all the stuff from DB. Less headache is not to let the initial class evolve a lot.

Besides this opens the gates of hell, as if this succeeds, people will start suggest to implement custom classes (dark rangers, demon hunters...) and that's a helluva work I think (though they can be TP-only)

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Unangwata
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Unangwata » Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:06 am

I voted YES.
I don't see problem with lore since many humans were hunters before plague. So they could just pick up old profession.

Zhohan
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Zhohan » Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:46 am

Undead hunters are fine if human hunters are added as well.

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Gheor
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Gheor » Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:49 am

Zhohan wrote:
Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:46 am
Undead hunters are fine if human hunters are added as well.
As soon as we break the limit for just 6 classes in the character creation panel.
A sheet of paper and a pen can give birth to many things.

Gheor

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Annales
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Annales » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:24 am

I'm afraid this will change the vanilla experience to some disney world/ fan club service server.

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Mrkrissatan
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Mrkrissatan » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:56 pm

Annales wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:24 am
I'm afraid this will change the vanilla experience to some disney world/ fan club service server.
There are plenty of stock vanilla servers this is a vanilla+ server with extra features

Sturrnurr
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Sturrnurr » Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:56 pm

i like the idea of an undead ranger, like the banshee queen.

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Boaz
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Boaz » Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:38 pm

Yes ^

Havock
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Havock » Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:57 pm

I've always felt that hunter should be universal like warrior for all races.

Havock
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Havock » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:24 am

Gnarbrok wrote:
Sat Jul 03, 2021 11:27 am
Voted "yes". The only "lore" counterargument I could think of is that pets/animals are unlikely to want to hang out with the undead. But this counterargument seems weak to me - surely plenty of meals, scratches, and "good boys" will eventually make your pet loyal! With that counterargument dispensed with, undead hunters seem like a natural addition (and, as other have pointed out, undead rangers are well-established in lore), so a "yes" vote seems appropriate.
What if undead hunters could only tame diseased or demonic mobs? There are plenty of them in the undead zones. There are the Plagued Swine and Plaguehounds of Eastern Plaguelands. There are Darkhounds in Trisfal Glades, as well as spiders that would likely become undead pets.

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