Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Poll: Should we implement Undead Hunters in 1.15.2?

Yes
112
84%
No
21
16%
 
Total votes: 133

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Bayanni
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Bayanni » Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:52 pm

I know it's basically a meme at this point, but Tauren really do need another class.
They're the only race with four class options while all of the rest have at least five.
Mage/Warlock is of course right out for tauren, which just leaves priest, rogue, and paladin, all of which I'd be ok with but totally understand the implications of tauren paladins and imbalancing pvp like that.
Honestly, cow priest is the most likely to work lore-wise but also the most work for the devs with the custom spells and balancing and whatnot. I'd much rather tauren get something new because they need it gameplay-wise.

All that said, yes to dwarf mages, and I'd be good with dwarf shamans too.

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Merikkinon
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Merikkinon » Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:55 pm

Torta wrote:
Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:24 pm
I agree that even existing class / race combos are not perfect. Lore consistency is a good thing but in this case it makes no sense to think what's possible and what's not. We have Undead Holy Priests already, you know.
And bingo...

Anyhow, I am in support of undead hunters.

Mainly because other than 'paladin', I can't see Tauren being rogues, warlocks, mages or priests. Doesn't fit. Neither does Paladin, and there is the Vanilla shaman/pally split (which is fine).

Hence, I just don't know another Horde balancing race/class that wouldn't be kinda offensive to lore.

So Undead Hunter it is (best option).

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Velite
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Velite » Sun Jul 04, 2021 1:33 am

Bayanni wrote:
Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:52 pm
I know it's basically a meme at this point, but Tauren really do need another class.
They're the only race with four class options while all of the rest have at least five.
Mage/Warlock is of course right out for tauren, which just leaves priest, rogue, and paladin, all of which I'd be ok with but totally understand the implications of tauren paladins and imbalancing pvp like that.
Honestly, cow priest is the most likely to work lore-wise but also the most work for the devs with the custom spells and balancing and whatnot. I'd much rather tauren get something new because they need it gameplay-wise.

All that said, yes to dwarf mages, and I'd be good with dwarf shamans too.
A tauren priest would be a good candidate to get fear ward on the horde actually.

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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Tortuga » Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:48 am

Qixel wrote:
Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:12 pm
I continue to vouch for the complete opening of all classes for all races. Blizzard didn't care about the lore when deciding them, and neither should we.
This is really a good point. And had it be like just "all classes for all races", I'd be full heart for Yes. (At least, no-one is forced to play a combo they don't like)
But the question was "we need to compensate Horde for Dwarf mages, should it be Undead hunters?", so I oppose. There are other combos that would be really appreciated on Horde (already mentioned it the thread), esp. Taurens need some ❤

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Valadorn
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Valadorn » Sun Jul 04, 2021 2:10 pm

I would like to mention that if Undeads have Hunters, Humans should also have them, but I sadly understand that there can not be more than 6 classes / race, which is pretty sad.

Exizefra
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Exizefra » Sun Jul 04, 2021 2:25 pm

Undead hunters as for me is more logical and lore-friendly than undead priests. Hunter is the absolutely materialistic class without any divine/magic/spirit presence - so i don't see any logical restriction for the undeads to be hunters. Neither the humans (yes, i know about game restriction - and it's sad).

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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Tortuga » Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:51 am

Exizefra wrote:
Sun Jul 04, 2021 2:25 pm
i don't see any logical restriction for the undeads to be hunters
Except that they don't need to hunt, and that animals do not obey rotting corpses

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Mrkrissatan
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Mrkrissatan » Mon Jul 05, 2021 1:34 pm

Tortuga wrote:
Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:51 am

Except that they don't need to hunt, and that animals do not obey rotting corpses
They hunt man, the most deadly game of all!

As for animals not obeying, well that's just an excuse to add undead versions of more pet families for them to tame or have a racial for undead hunters that reskins their pets to a zombified version if it's really that game breaking for you.

Balake
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Balake » Mon Jul 05, 2021 2:05 pm

Why the pets would not obey. Is it because Undead smell very bad?

For the not needing to eat argument, the hunters we play are combatants, not people who's job it is to hunt for food. The Forsaken army logically would employ archer units, they would be valuable against the Scarlet Crusade for example.

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Dasajj
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Dasajj » Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:06 am

Id say there are quite a few pets that would match an undead aesthetic: spiders, bats, demon hounds, carrion, fel bears/wolves from felwood.

Go for it

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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Tortuga » Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:51 am

Mrkrissatan wrote:
Mon Jul 05, 2021 1:34 pm
more pet families
Will not happen

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Augustfenix85
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Augustfenix85 » Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:01 pm

Lorewise there are Forsaken who were once High Elves.
Duvall
Velissa
Calmore
Malcore
Splodax

Pfwg
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Pfwg » Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:06 pm

Qixel wrote:
Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:12 pm
I continue to vouch for the complete opening of all classes for all races. Blizzard didn't care about the lore when deciding them, and neither should we. So, yes, undead hunters would be great. For those saying it makes no sense, gnomes can be warriors and hold back the blows of dragons, orcs can be in tune with the elements of a world they tried to destroy, and undead can already be priests. It's a fantasy game. Stop being hypocritical about when sense matters.
What engie said

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Jimmicz
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Jimmicz » Wed Jul 07, 2021 12:25 pm

Undead hunters only if they can build their pets from limbs, skins, and bones!

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Warwarlock
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Warwarlock » Wed Jul 07, 2021 1:16 pm

A lot of people mess around between the mechanics and lore. Lore-wise, many things seem to have their logic; nothing prevents one to become something known as a paradox or a freethinker that defies his own culture. The problem with this, however, is making the writing appealing. Then the mechanics follow with their implies in the game. Humans already have 6 classes, and each side has its class balance - no paladins for the Horde and no shamans for the Alliance.
Speaking in general about the undead, there is nothing that would prevent them to become hunters. Some people sought to claim that to be a hunter, one must have an affinity for nature and beasts.
According to Ranger Sallina in TBC, being a hunter means:
1) to be a master over the beasts;
2) to be perceptive and focused in marksmanship;
3) to be able to survive using the opportunities in situations.
That's one of the perceptions told by an NPC. Mastery over the beasts doesn't exactly incline that now to be a hunter, you must know every inch of Petopia - from a worm to a silithid colossus. It's enough to have some proficiency in the field, and the Forsaken (just as the humans) aren't outside that aspect. In life, the undead had the knowledge on how to tame beasts like horses to their service. As explained in "War Crimes" and skeletal horse manuals, it's told that the aspect of the beast doesn't nearly change in undeath; they continue to follow their routine while being completely oblivious to their nature. We know from real-life stories that loyal pets remain with their owners even if they have passed away. Spiders have no feature that would make them repulsed by the undead as most of the spider population was altered by magic the way the dark hounds were. Plus, cockroaches, anyone?
In life, humans wielded (and still wield) ranged weapons like bows and crossbows, having the proficiency on using them, and in undeath that proficiency would remain. Hemet Nesingwary is a famous hunter who hunts for sports and has the knowledge about the "big games" that would bring inspiration to many bounty hunters, and he's just a dwarf armed with a gun!
The last hunter aspect about the survival would also apply; human trappers that are experienced in tracking certain creatures and use trapping methods to disable them? A hunter who uses a camouflage, a moment of surprise and venoms to overpower their stunned prey?
In conclusion, to be a hunter, you don't necessarily need the magic to become a proficient tamer, skilled shooter, witty trapper lore-wise. Those 3 tree hunter builds just represent one of the hunter aspects. The magic can be applied like in DnD to eventually amplify skills and become something like a spellbow that shoots conjured bolts of magic. The only barrier is the mechanics, and if this server can bypass such, I say 'let them do so'.

Aerdaer
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Aerdaer » Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:56 pm

I would have to say no, even if I like the idea of playing one.

It just does not fit the lore well enough with what the class hunter can do. Hunter is quite nature oriented in-game and it just does not feel right.. For me, It would have to be a completely different subclass like the dark ranger, not the hunter we know from vanilla wow.

Mage dwarf seems fine, you do not have to add anything to the Horde side when it is not suitable - I play Horde.

Best,
PV

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Merikkinon
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Merikkinon » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:11 pm

Idk... while there is this 'nature' theme to hunters, there have historically also been a lot of poachers and people who are flat out into slaying stuff. I think undead fits well there with their desire to destroy the living.

Tortuga
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Tortuga » Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:12 am

Merikkinon wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:11 pm
there have historically also been a lot of poachers and people who are flat out into slaying stuff
And those people were called thieves and assassins historically, not marksmen, beastmasters, or survivalists

Mooncake
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Mooncake » Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:42 pm

I NEED dwarf shaman)

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Velite
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Re: Poll: Undead Hunters — yes or not?

Post by Velite » Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:13 pm

piggybacking on thread to vote for dwarf shaman

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