nerf Diamond Flask and give warriors self heal instead

[Mechsoap]

The way Diamond Flask works now is very unimmersive, and centers around gathering +healing gear and using addons/macros to change gear.
It seems unfair in pvp and pve as is for warriors to be the only ones with such an ability that can make them very hard to kill for 1 minute every 5 minutes.
why not instead just give them an ability that would fit better lorewise? and would also be useful for warriors solo levelling to some extend. could be an ability on a cooldown that costs rage and maybe scales off AP.

[Geojak]

Diamond flask shouldn't scale with +heal, like it does ever since patch 2.0.

Now if thsi doesn't change, than atleast it should not scale with 100% of plus healing every 5 seconds for a hole minute.
Make it 10%.
With bis 800 plus healing gear that is still 80 health healed every 5 seconds for a minute.
Now that isn't exactly, godmode what warriors are used to with diamond flask sippy set. But it's fair

Now if that's also not an option
Then disable, diamond flask in blood ring atelast.
Actually just disable it in all battlegroinds and keep it unchanged otherwise for pve

[Boras]

Diamond flask shouldn't scale with +heal, like it does ever since patch 2.0.

Now if thsi doesn't change, than atleast it should not scale with 100% of plus healing every 5 seconds for a hole minute.
Make it 10%.
With bis 800 plus healing gear that is still 80 health healed every 5 seconds for a minute.
Now that isn't exactly, godmode what warriors are used to with diamond flask sippy set. But it's fair

Now if that's also not an option
Then disable, diamond flask in blood ring atelast.
Actually just disable it in all battlegroinds and keep it unchanged otherwise for pve

Should be 0% scaling. It's honestly gotten ridiculous seeing warriors rolling for healing gear in raids. If they plan on nerfing classes, warrior should be numero uno on that list.

[Gantulga]

They do not need self heal skills and diamond flask should not scale with healing.

[Eldirian]

No. Never.

[Geojak]

Diamond flask shouldn't scale with +heal, like it does ever since patch 2.0.

Now if thsi doesn't change, than atleast it should not scale with 100% of plus healing every 5 seconds for a hole minute.
Make it 10%.
With bis 800 plus healing gear that is still 80 health healed every 5 seconds for a minute.
Now that isn't exactly, godmode what warriors are used to with diamond flask sippy set. But it's fair

Now if that's also not an option
Then disable, diamond flask in blood ring atelast.
Actually just disable it in all battlegroinds and keep it unchanged otherwise for pve

Should be 0% scaling. It's honestly gotten ridiculous seeing warriors rolling for healing gear in raids. If they plan on nerfing classes, warrior should be numero uno on that list.

I AGREE. its super ridicolous. but unless it changes, you would be a fool not to get a life giving gem trinket in bwl.

[Drubarrymooer]

I mean, they have things that fit within the lore. Healing pots, health stones, etc. Giving them a self heal would basically make them a paladin or druid...except they already out dps and out tank both of those classes in pve and do very well in pvp. It's fine as is. I wish sippy would get nerfed....but that's mainly because there's nothing like that for my class, so its more me being jelly than anything.

[Durand]

IF paladins can be super op and get talent buffs and tailored gear, and still have plans to get even more op, why do you want to nerf warriors again?

Just leave it be, nobody forces you to let the healing gear be rolled by wars, just set a rule that they cant roll for healing in your raids and dungeons and be done with it, but dont block others from enjoying the game in the way they want please.

The only thing that this nerf would change is that warriors would have to dualbox healer themselves for the same effect, instead they can jsut use sippy once in 5 minutes.

99% of people will never get healing above 500 anyway.

Do not touch Diamond Flask, do not add self heal to warriors,
but i 100% agree to disable the sipp in blood ring and maybe even in all battlegrounds.

[Mechsoap]

IF paladins can be super op and get talent buffs and tailored gear, and still have plans to get even more op, why do you want to nerf warriors again?

Just leave it be, nobody forces you to let the healing gear be rolled by wars, just set a rule that they cant roll for healing in your raids and dungeons and be done with it, but dont block others from enjoying the game in the way they want please.

The only thing that this nerf would change is that warriors would have to dualbox healer themselves for the same effect, instead they can jsut use sippy once in 5 minutes.

99% of people will never get healing above 500 anyway.

Do not touch Diamond Flask, do not add self heal to warriors,
but i 100% agree to disable the sipp in blood ring and maybe even in all battlegrounds.

The whole sippy build is ludicrous and i don't know any equivalent in other classes that isn't a gimmick, while not having sippy as a warrior severely limits your PvE and PvP potential. There must be a more lore-friendly way that doesn't seem like abusing a misplaced set of script on a lvl 50 quest item.

[Boras]

IF paladins can be super op and get talent buffs and tailored gear, and still have plans to get even more op, why do you want to nerf warriors again?

Just leave it be, nobody forces you to let the healing gear be rolled by wars, just set a rule that they cant roll for healing in your raids and dungeons and be done with it, but dont block others from enjoying the game in the way they want please.

The only thing that this nerf would change is that warriors would have to dualbox healer themselves for the same effect, instead they can jsut use sippy once in 5 minutes.

99% of people will never get healing above 500 anyway.

Do not touch Diamond Flask, do not add self heal to warriors,
but i 100% agree to disable the sipp in blood ring and maybe even in all battlegrounds.

What tailored talents? They just made consecration baseline and made you waste 3 talent points to be able to taunt, which fucks up your mana regen. I would’ve preferred improved concentration aura because at least I could use it to maybe resist a silence every now and then. You don’t even get threat from your mana regen so even more of a nerf cuz it’s a buggy server. They also nerfed holy by removing lasting judgments and ret still sucks balls. Shockadins don’t even exist anymore because they moved seal of command to the bottom of the ret tree.

What gear? It’s still all healing gear? If you’re talking what? The maybe two spellpower def pieces that are found on world bosses that are never alive, let me give you a golf clap for imaginative thinking

[Kairion]

Just make Flask no longer snapshot but check for HPS with every tick.- that way all the hybrid plate blizzard designed for paladins but everyone avoids (Plate gear with strength + healing) can be used by warriors if they want a decently strong sippy set. But it wouldn't allow the levels of abuse currently possible with a sippy set and switch into regular dps gear.

And Paladins should also be reigned in. But pointing at the single other class who also is overtuned ignores the fact that there are 7 classes which have nowhere near as abusable mechanics as sippy set at their disposal.

[Gantulga]

I really don't understand why the devs beat around the bush with obviously broken interactions like the diamond flask.
No, warriors aren't poor babies who "need self healing". Either remove the scaling or make it work as it actually should, with the total healing split across all ticks and checking for the healing bonus to be present each tick.

[Mechsoap]

I really don't understand why the devs beat around the bush with obviously broken interactions like the diamond flask.
No, warriors aren't poor babies who "need self healing". Either remove the scaling or make it work as it actually should, with the total healing split across all ticks and checking for the healing bonus to be present each tick.

i agree that i don't necessarily think that Warriors ''need'' self healing, but that it is at least a compromise to not mess too much up with their ability to solo some elites which i have seen mentioned. But yes, its obviously broken, but its such a popular broken feature that it seems hard to just take out entirely without massive uproar for eternity.

[Geojak]

Just make Flask no longer snapshot but check for HPS with every tick.- that way all the hybrid plate blizzard designed for paladins but everyone avoids (Plate gear with strength + healing) can be used by warriors if they want a decently strong sippy set. But it wouldn't allow the levels of abuse currently possible with a sippy set and switch into regular dps gear.

And Paladins should also be reigned in. But pointing at the single other class who also is overtuned ignores the fact that there are 7 classes which have nowhere near as abusable mechanics as sippy set at their disposal.

thatas a good idea. no more snapshotting

[Mechsoap]

no snapshotting would be fine too yeah

[Gantulga]

I really don't understand why the devs beat around the bush with obviously broken interactions like the diamond flask.
No, warriors aren't poor babies who "need self healing". Either remove the scaling or make it work as it actually should, with the total healing split across all ticks and checking for the healing bonus to be present each tick.

i agree that i don't necessarily think that Warriors ''need'' self healing, but that it is at least a compromise to not mess too much up with their ability to solo some elites which i have seen mentioned. But yes, its obviously broken, but its such a popular broken feature that it seems hard to just take out entirely without massive uproar for eternity.

Warriors can mow down elites with retaliation much easier than most other classes and here they get the skill at level 20.

[Ugoboom]

yeah bros nerf dflask



you cant let evil warriors like me get away with this

[Mechsoap]

yeah bros nerf dflask



you cant let evil warriors like me get away with this

yeah that is just silliness, and why people want it nerfed :P

[Ugoboom]

But yeah for real the main concern, PVP, is countered by the fact dflask is purgable by warlocks, priests, shamans, also prot warrior lol

If the main concern is healers losing gear in raids, warrior heal sets can be implemented alongisde a vast selection of alt t1 t2 t3 like all classes need.

Also I would have never taken saph trinket if ZHC was allowed to be used alongside dflask from the begining. Fix that to be allowed, and then my heinous crime won't be repeated.

[Mechsoap]

Why though keep such an obviously broken mechanic that is the result of a misplaced script?