Make Razzle Longpipe neutral

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Raukodor
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Make Razzle Longpipe neutral

Post by Raukodor » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:11 pm

Hello fellow turtles

My suggestion is make Razzle Longpippe neutral so aliance players can buy his rarities too

https://database.turtle-wow.org/?npc=91256

In fact in database he is neutral but ingame is only horde-friendly

He is a goblin. He only cares about gold not loyalties

A goblin seller dont care about red or blue. The only colour he cares is yellow. The yellow of a gold coin

What do you think?
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Karrados
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Re: Make Razzle Longpipe neutral

Post by Karrados » Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:55 am

Hard to sell the whole "Goblin sellers only care about red or blue" if the Horde has an entire race of Goblins in their faction.

So I am saying No, keep it as it is.

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Raukodor
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Re: Make Razzle Longpipe neutral

Post by Raukodor » Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:34 pm

But only that specific vendor? He sells very interesting stuff
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Imonobor
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Re: Make Razzle Longpipe neutral

Post by Imonobor » Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:49 am

It seems that his being hostile to alliance players is a bug, because the database indeed says he should be neutral to both factions and he sells the following item:
https://database.turtle-wow.org/?item=81355
That is ONLY useful to paladins, and last time I checked, horde don't have any of those.
So perhaps open a bug report on the github?

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Raukodor
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Re: Make Razzle Longpipe neutral

Post by Raukodor » Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:03 pm

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Torta
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Re: Make Razzle Longpipe neutral

Post by Torta » Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:37 pm

I'm sorry, but Razzle is a Horde NPC in a Horde town. It's a bug in our knowledge DB to display him as neutral.

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Re: Make Razzle Longpipe neutral

Post by Imonobor » Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:46 pm

Torta wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:37 pm
I'm sorry, but Razzle is a Horde NPC in a Horde town. It's a bug in our knowledge DB to display him as neutral.
I see. Why does he sell BoP paladin gear then? Forsaken paladins foreshadowing? :D
No need to make him neutral, but maybe make his items BoE so they can be traded to allies that want them? Pretty please? :3

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Raukodor
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Re: Make Razzle Longpipe neutral

Post by Raukodor » Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:43 pm

Then could make his items boe? They are pretty unique and cool effects
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Torta
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Re: Make Razzle Longpipe neutral

Post by Torta » Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:48 pm

We will discuss it. Originally this NPC was supposed to be a rascal selling totally scammy and useless goods :) We did not expect such a high demand for Razzle's rarities!

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Re: Make Razzle Longpipe neutral

Post by Raukodor » Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:47 pm

Razzle wants gold! A customer is a customer. No matter his race
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Karrados
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Re: Make Razzle Longpipe neutral

Post by Karrados » Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:28 am

Make sure to remove the Pants though once you do open him up to the Alliance.

The NPC would no longer fulfill his purpose if he was selling something that is not actually "useless" and could be used well into some Raids for a rather small amount of gold at that.

Otherwise it would seem quite unfair if Horde was stuck with a Merchant that sells useless junk to them while the Alliance would get an incredible piece of Gear for gold and nothing else.

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Re: Make Razzle Longpipe neutral

Post by Kindredsoul » Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:20 am

I like the idea of goblins neutral to the alliance/horde & horde goblins hostile to the alliance. Since goblins care about gold first and foremost having most (not all (?)) trading with alliance chars would make sense.
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Ghola
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Re: Make Razzle Longpipe neutral

Post by Ghola » Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:23 pm

ligthning damage cape procs clearcasting for shamans, vengeance for pallies, and omen of clarity for druids

its actually stupid broken for druids

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Raukodor
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Re: Make Razzle Longpipe neutral

Post by Raukodor » Sun Sep 25, 2022 4:39 pm

Same as fiery plate gauntlets or storm gauntlets and other +damage items. Is.a.old mechanic
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Re: Make Razzle Longpipe neutral

Post by Allwynd01 » Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:55 am

Karrados wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:55 am
Hard to sell the whole "Goblin sellers only care about red or blue" if the Horde has an entire race of Goblins in their faction.

So I am saying No, keep it as it is.
Don't act like Goblins weren't neutral before Turtle WoW or Cataclysm. If anything, Goblins should be the race that should work like Pandaren - they start neutral and can choose to join either the Horde or the Alliance. If WoW had a more sophisticated faction system like SWG where you can be a part of a number of factions - Rebels, Empire, Neutral and more, it would've been even better for Goblins to remain neutral and benefit from both the Alliance and the Horde.

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Re: Make Razzle Longpipe neutral

Post by Ghola » Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:20 am

Raukodor wrote:
Sun Sep 25, 2022 4:39 pm
Same as fiery plate gauntlets or storm gauntlets and other +damage items. Is.a.old mechanic
druids cant equip those though, now the incendosaur added with hateforge is a different story but is much harder to obtain. Also the cape can be used by low level shamans even

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Re: Make Razzle Longpipe neutral

Post by Raukodor » Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:56 pm

Just farm hateforge mobs endlessly like me lol
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