Draenei

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Gheor
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Re: Draenei

Post by Gheor » Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:32 am

Ah yes I wonder why we can't do that.

Oh wait, Rexxar is THE ONLY Mok'nathal in Azeroth.
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Re: Draenei

Post by Kanto123 » Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:47 pm

Gheor wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:32 am
Ah yes I wonder why we can't do that.

Oh wait, Rexxar is THE ONLY Mok'nathal in Azeroth.
We need to get him a gf asap to fix that problem

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Galendor
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Re: Draenei

Post by Galendor » Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:46 pm

Garish wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:45 am
i think that half ogre, rexxar like, is more appealing as the horde new race, "But half ogre is only a orc reskin"? yes, HE is just a slim human with long ears tho.

#swap goblins
It's oversimplification. In this case, dwarves are just bulky short humans, gnomes are very short humans, goblins are short tuskless orcs, etc.

Karrados
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Re: Draenei

Post by Karrados » Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:48 pm

Galendor wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:46 pm
Garish wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:45 am
i think that half ogre, rexxar like, is more appealing as the horde new race, "But half ogre is only a orc reskin"? yes, HE is just a slim human with long ears tho.

#swap goblins
It's oversimplification. In this case, dwarves are just bulky short humans, gnomes are very short humans, goblins are short tuskless orcs, etc.
Not only that but it doesn't work from a mechanical perspective.

High Elves are their own model/skeleton while Mok'nathal have the orc model/skeleton set at a 1.2 scale or whatever it was.

Mac
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Re: Draenei

Post by Mac » Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:15 am

Why not Lost One Draenei as an illusion purchasable from the Turtle Shop?

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Re: Draenei

Post by Zack32 » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:55 am

Adding more races rather than giving the core existing races lore is a mistake. Besides why should the Zandalari join the Horde rather than remaining neutral?

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Re: Draenei

Post by Afaslizo » Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:36 pm

Zack32 wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:55 am
Adding more races rather than giving the core existing races lore is a mistake. Besides why should the Zandalari join the Horde rather than remaining neutral?
Yeah, never understood that logic. Darkspear joining the Horde made sense because of the rescue story and their smallness. The Zandalari may not be at their height of power anymore as they need others to clean up Hakkar but they still have the spiritual authority above all Trolls and a city of solid gold while the Horde has tents and primitive buildings. Turning the Horde into a Zandalari client state would make more sense but at that level all ideas are outlandish.

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Galendor
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Re: Draenei

Post by Galendor » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:33 pm

Afaslizo wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:36 pm
Zack32 wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:55 am
Adding more races rather than giving the core existing races lore is a mistake. Besides why should the Zandalari join the Horde rather than remaining neutral?
Yeah, never understood that logic. Darkspear joining the Horde made sense because of the rescue story and their smallness. The Zandalari may not be at their height of power anymore as they need others to clean up Hakkar but they still have the spiritual authority above all Trolls and a city of solid gold while the Horde has tents and primitive buildings. Turning the Horde into a Zandalari client state would make more sense but at that level all ideas are outlandish.
I like the idea of Zandalari allying themselves with the Horde to have an influence on its politics in an attempt to make the Horde their buffer state. Zandalari are wise and ancient; there should't be a problem for them to take over the Horde's leadership.

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Re: Draenei

Post by Bayanni » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:30 pm

Gheor wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:32 am
Oh wait, Rexxar is THE ONLY Mok'nathal in Azeroth.
Why is there a word for a race that there's only one of? That's just weird.

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Re: Draenei

Post by Zack32 » Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:46 am

Bayanni wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:30 pm
Gheor wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:32 am
Oh wait, Rexxar is THE ONLY Mok'nathal in Azeroth.
Why is there a word for a race that there's only one of? That's just weird.
Because the others are in Outland

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Re: Draenei

Post by Gheor » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:32 pm

Well, Rexxar is the only one on Azeroth, and we don't know of any others yet so you're right Bayanni.
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Re: Draenei

Post by Kanto123 » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:06 pm

If Ogres are added can Shrek be added as a skin?

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Re: Draenei

Post by Garish » Sat Jan 15, 2022 5:50 am

Gheor wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:32 am
Ah yes I wonder why we can't do that.

Oh wait, Rexxar is THE ONLY Mok'nathal in Azeroth.
In azeroth... If we get draenei for the ally, and outland zone, we can get a new deep lore for the mok'nathal and a new good race for the horde.
There is a village in the blades edge mountain tho.

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Re: Draenei

Post by Bigspliffa22 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:45 am

Zack32 wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:55 am
Adding more races rather than giving the core existing races lore is a mistake. Besides why should the Zandalari join the Horde rather than remaining neutral?
What they should do is add different variations for already existing races. Like Wildhammer Dwarves, Reventusk and Amani Trolls, Zandalari Trolls, Kul Tiras Humans, Mag'har Orcs and more to add variety.

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Re: Draenei

Post by Karrados » Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:45 am

Garish wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 5:50 am
Gheor wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:32 am
Ah yes I wonder why we can't do that.

Oh wait, Rexxar is THE ONLY Mok'nathal in Azeroth.
In azeroth... If we get draenei for the ally, and outland zone, we can get a new deep lore for the mok'nathal and a new good race for the horde.
There is a village in the blades edge mountain tho.
I am quite sure that giving the Horde a slightly upscaled Orc (model-wise) compared to Alliance getting an actual new race with new models will do absolutely nothing for Faction Balance which is heavily skewed towards the Alliance as it is.

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Re: Draenei

Post by Zuesgold » Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:12 pm

People need to do their research before posting about stuff as I have seen several replies that are full of inaccuracies

First off Kil'jaeden and Archimonde have a lot to do with the Draenei as they were both The speritrual leaders of the eredar race alongside prophet velen.

The eredar were the original Draenei until Sargaras came and split the eredar Race Apart resulting in Kil'jaeden, Archimonde and half of the eredar race becoming Demons while Velen and the eredar who refused to follow Sargaras Became the Draenei

The Broken and the Draenei are also related Lore wise because the Broken are Draenei who become mutated due to exposer to fell energy on Draenor

All these posts that say the Draenei have nothing to do with the Broken or Kil'jaeden, Archimonde are completely false so I wanted to set the record straight

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Re: Draenei

Post by Bayanni » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:35 am

Zuesgold wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:12 pm
People need to do their research before posting about stuff as I have seen several replies that are full of inaccuracies

First off Kil'jaeden and Archimonde have a lot to do with the Draenei as they were both The speritrual leaders of the eredar race alongside prophet velen.

The eredar were the original Draenei until Sargaras came and split the eredar Race Apart resulting in Kil'jaeden, Archimonde and half of the eredar race becoming Demons while Velen and the eredar who refused to follow Sargaras Became the Draenei

The Broken and the Draenei are also related Lore wise because the Broken are Draenei who become mutated due to exposer to fell energy on Draenor

All these posts that say the Draenei have nothing to do with the Broken or Kil'jaeden, Archimonde are completely false so I wanted to set the record straight
People are generally against the whole Whale-Faces were really Space-Goats thing because not everyone reads the books and extended lore, and the presentation of them in TBC was straight out of left field for a lot of people. Couple that with a lot of people actually wanting Whale-Faced stealthibois as a playable race and never getting it, instead getting something we haven't really seen represented in the games before (depending on your lore knowledge), and it's bound to turn out this way.

Personally, I'd want to know the timeline for the draenei being turned into the broken and if that was well before TBC or just a little before, because on the surface it seems like a retcon for the sake of class balance in their expansion rather than something they've had established for a while. Retcons in generally are very frowned upon, and this one happened to a somewhat loved bit of lore from the direct prequel to WoW.

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Re: Draenei

Post by Galendor » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:00 pm

Zuesgold wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:12 pm
People need to do their research before posting about stuff as I have seen several replies that are full of inaccuracies

First off Kil'jaeden and Archimonde have a lot to do with the Draenei as they were both The speritrual leaders of the eredar race alongside prophet velen.

The eredar were the original Draenei until Sargaras came and split the eredar Race Apart resulting in Kil'jaeden, Archimonde and half of the eredar race becoming Demons while Velen and the eredar who refused to follow Sargaras Became the Draenei

The Broken and the Draenei are also related Lore wise because the Broken are Draenei who become mutated due to exposer to fell energy on Draenor

All these posts that say the Draenei have nothing to do with the Broken or Kil'jaeden, Archimonde are completely false so I wanted to set the record straight
You know that's TBC lore, right? And before that, even in Vanilla, there were zero sources mentioned that Eredars and Draenei are connected. There were no such things as "Broken" in Vanilla lore, too: Akama and his creepy yet charismatic brethren were only draenei in the world.

Sure, you can say that it's all irrelevant now - but, for better or worse, Turtle-WoW has its own lore based on WC3 & Vanilla information that contradicts heavily with Chronicles and/or any other later source.

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Re: Draenei

Post by Hawkknight » Mon Mar 21, 2022 7:17 am

So pretty much the TBC Draenei are the New Alliance High Elf Race demand now in the Turtle Forums?

Another Cycle begins.

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Re: Draenei

Post by Junvahlok » Tue May 17, 2022 3:56 pm

In my opinion, the Eredar to Draenei connection is not a bad idea lorewise. Having a reason for the Broken being broken is cool and giving some backstory to the Eredar is cool. However, I think that's where things start to go off-course with the TBC Draenei lore.

I think Draenei would be an awesome race to add in, but they could be taken in a different direction that makes more sense. I like the "space goat" model of the Eredar myself and I personally think the best thing about it is that lots of people like it and it will be popular. But, just don't do the whole "space" part. Keep the goat, throw out the space.

I would say make the Draenei more tribalistic and give them to the Horde. No holy light, no naaru, no spaceship. But same character model as was in TBC. Yes, you could make Draenei the traditional Broken model, but I think the problem is that this won't help player count or faction balance. It's the same problem as with Ogres... it may make sense lorewise but they would be hard to implement and probably nobody would even play them. This is a big problem with most people's "lore-accurate" race suggestions. They simply would be a nightmare to add, they'd stick out as awkward and then nobody would play them anyways (or they make even less sense lorewise than Draenei). Draenei would be the opposite -- the model already exists and is liked.

Putting TBC character model Draenei on the Horde would probably immediately help balance the factions though and it would probably be a draw for more players. Just like High Elf is a big draw. Like it or not, TBC races were super popular and beloved. A rewritten Draenei story and a Draenei-Horde redemption arc could be a fun area to explore for storytelling and creativity.

Though, I'm not sure if more races are even wanted or needed. But this is just my opinion about the Draenei question for the sake of discussion.

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