Hello to you all , gz on your serv , but ! .. as the topid named your serv is DEAD ! - but why ?!
I quite sure most of you know why , but let me put my suggestions to improve it , if that's your goal !
First this RP shit , is not working , on blizz didn't work , on others prv serv didn't work , and I'm quite sure here will not work ! -
At some point I read that you are not into getting this serv high populated , well it can be a factor but ! ...when you have
40 ppl online A/H - but you embrace so much the RP serv , that you miss the point of RP ! - you can't even enjoy the rest of the world and you want RP
Whats the point of being alone on a serv , you can't make any fucking instance until 50-60 , and even then u need hours to find 4 ppl ! , bcz most of the time you are ALONE -
I'm not sure what do you want with this serv ! , if you think the population will grow with this RP crap, well you are WRONG ! - the facts are speaking !
Peoples KNOW about this serv ! - many times I came across lvl 1-10 and asked them if they are new ! - but as you can see they don't stay - THEY DON'T WANT TO PLAY FUCKING ALONE !
Since the serv is new I strongly recommend to add 20s to 1g max to the start of the char ! - due the lack of items on AH or the prices are ~ 20s at least will keep them in game untill they make some currency !
The ingame community is kinda shit ! - dude the lack of members you can't have many GUILDS , so if a GM is a toxic /not helpful pers the rest of the guild will follow ! - is not to much to chose from !
Make the game PVP or PVE test it ..see how it works - add the currency at the start ! and come with more ideas how to improve it - I'm quite sure you get a lot of feedback from this community !
M8 this is not WORKING ! /MAKE THE CHANGE !
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The point is to be a RP server, I'm not a RP-er, but I thought the server might be fine. I got a friend to play with me, but he said he can't take it anymore and quit at level 5, because of the reduced XP rates.
I think that's the main problem here - the reduced XP rates, they make everything slower than it is fun. In comparison, the direct competitor of this server [Removed server ad] has only grown its population by ~50 people in the last month. They are doing PvE with Blizzlike rates on everything and population has grown from 230 to 280 in 1 month.
That's what I think Turtle WoW should change in order to get more people - normalize the XP rates.
Or maybe they want it to be this small, I don't know. Maybe that's their goal and they like it.
I think that's the main problem here - the reduced XP rates, they make everything slower than it is fun. In comparison, the direct competitor of this server [Removed server ad] has only grown its population by ~50 people in the last month. They are doing PvE with Blizzlike rates on everything and population has grown from 230 to 280 in 1 month.
That's what I think Turtle WoW should change in order to get more people - normalize the XP rates.
Or maybe they want it to be this small, I don't know. Maybe that's their goal and they like it.
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First of all, there is no need to use "Clickbait" titles and capslock text.
Turtle WoW is using a unique concept combining RP + PvE + Lowrates together on a single realm. Our target audience is not big and this realm is not meant to have 5000 players online.
Is our population stable?
Yes, it has barely changed between the 11.10 - 11.11, our peak last night at 8PM was 102 online.
We are giving people a choice, check our progressive rate announcement, the default rate is not x0.5 anymore. We did a lot of testing and talked to plenty of players, the game is very playable with our current rates and no grinding is required.
We have a small but very friendly community, there have been no tickets about rude players in the last two weeks and all players who contact us are friendly and respectful.
Will we change the current realm to PvP or give players gold on new characters?
No, definitely not.
Will we consider a minor rate change and other non-game breaking changes?
Yes, we are open minded and gladly discuss these. We accepted the portable meeting stone idea and love it.
Turtle WoW is using a unique concept combining RP + PvE + Lowrates together on a single realm. Our target audience is not big and this realm is not meant to have 5000 players online.
Is our population stable?
Yes, it has barely changed between the 11.10 - 11.11, our peak last night at 8PM was 102 online.
We are giving people a choice, check our progressive rate announcement, the default rate is not x0.5 anymore. We did a lot of testing and talked to plenty of players, the game is very playable with our current rates and no grinding is required.
We have a small but very friendly community, there have been no tickets about rude players in the last two weeks and all players who contact us are friendly and respectful.
Will we change the current realm to PvP or give players gold on new characters?
No, definitely not.
Will we consider a minor rate change and other non-game breaking changes?
Yes, we are open minded and gladly discuss these. We accepted the portable meeting stone idea and love it.
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My opinion is that the current rates are not an issue at all. They are a "little" slower but you also have the option to still do quests MUCH lower level for 1x exp rates, you may not get kill exp on the mobs but you are generally one shotting them as they are 15+ levels lower. I made an alt since the upgrade of exp from 0.5 rates and have literally found no issues with levelling up. Even my alt is now lvl 27.
I agree finding groups is a little difficult, but you will ALWAYS have to spend time forming a group unless you play on LH, and frankly if you want that, you have that option by rolling there.
To directly compete with LH and Kronos is NEVER going to work, its been proven time and again with failed launches. The direct "competition" as you put it is a 1x pve realm hosted US, that same realm is also now desperately trying to recruit more players by doing increased exp weekends. They launched at 1x rates, have US hosting exclusivity in the vanilla market and STILL cant pull in huge numbers due to the PVE rule-set. What you miss out on, where are the successful (by your standards) PVE realms? The PVE realms are always much smaller, and often have an even shorter life-span.
Your other suggestion regarding starting money, there is no problem. I started day one, things were even harder then. You are able to buy wool for about 15s a stack, that is not expensive, you can buy light leather for as low as 8s a stack, that is not expensive. I levelled tailor enchanter and as you can imagine I am broke, but I dont blame the realm its just how a fresh economy is, and that is exaggerated by the lower population.
The final factor you completely ignore, is that Classic is probably less than 9 months away. There are very few people that are going to commit to any realm at this stage. They have already joined a private realm if they wanted to test out vanilla, or they are avoiding vanilla because they dont want to burn out before classic launch.
This is not a black and white issue, and black and white answers cannot be applied. The way to resolve the issue is continued advertising and patience. It may improve, it may not. I for one will not lose sleep over it.
I agree finding groups is a little difficult, but you will ALWAYS have to spend time forming a group unless you play on LH, and frankly if you want that, you have that option by rolling there.
To directly compete with LH and Kronos is NEVER going to work, its been proven time and again with failed launches. The direct "competition" as you put it is a 1x pve realm hosted US, that same realm is also now desperately trying to recruit more players by doing increased exp weekends. They launched at 1x rates, have US hosting exclusivity in the vanilla market and STILL cant pull in huge numbers due to the PVE rule-set. What you miss out on, where are the successful (by your standards) PVE realms? The PVE realms are always much smaller, and often have an even shorter life-span.
Your other suggestion regarding starting money, there is no problem. I started day one, things were even harder then. You are able to buy wool for about 15s a stack, that is not expensive, you can buy light leather for as low as 8s a stack, that is not expensive. I levelled tailor enchanter and as you can imagine I am broke, but I dont blame the realm its just how a fresh economy is, and that is exaggerated by the lower population.
The final factor you completely ignore, is that Classic is probably less than 9 months away. There are very few people that are going to commit to any realm at this stage. They have already joined a private realm if they wanted to test out vanilla, or they are avoiding vanilla because they dont want to burn out before classic launch.
This is not a black and white issue, and black and white answers cannot be applied. The way to resolve the issue is continued advertising and patience. It may improve, it may not. I for one will not lose sleep over it.
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Ok, some input from the first (and afaik only) alliance lvl 60 so far:
There are two major issues I see with this server.
1. There is a rumor that this is essentially an Elysium Project. Dunno if it's true or not, but that's what people on reddit and other channels are spreading.
2. This server doesn't really know what ruleset it wants to use. There are some non-blizzlike things and it gets changed/there are plans to change it further.
To solve the first problem, issue a statement about who's running the server. Ofc no real names but we want to know a bit about you. If this is indeed an Elysium project, don't lie about it. It makes things worse.
The second issue also isn't too hard to solve, make a pragmatic ruleset and stick with it. 0.5x rates doesn't attract many people, so simply give players the choice to either play at 0.5 or 1x rates, get rid of this progressive stuff. Let people choose at lvl 10 if they want to continue with 0.5x rates till the end or if they - permanently - wanna increase the rates to x1/blizzlike. Rewards for those who level with 0.5: One reward upon choosing the rates at lvl 10 and one reward for reaching lvl 60 at 0.5x.
Another thing: This server is listed as "custom/RP server" on the WoW private server reddit. While the RP-tag makes it somewhat special (you should declare that it's optional though), the custom-tag scares away many people. Having an ingame cashshop... well, if you really need it. But changing too much other stuff besides the rates will quickly ruin the blizzlike experience most people are looking for.
Thanks btw for prodiving this server, appreciation for what you guys are doing sometimes gets lost in all the bickering and moaning.
-Kainnee
There are two major issues I see with this server.
1. There is a rumor that this is essentially an Elysium Project. Dunno if it's true or not, but that's what people on reddit and other channels are spreading.
2. This server doesn't really know what ruleset it wants to use. There are some non-blizzlike things and it gets changed/there are plans to change it further.
To solve the first problem, issue a statement about who's running the server. Ofc no real names but we want to know a bit about you. If this is indeed an Elysium project, don't lie about it. It makes things worse.
The second issue also isn't too hard to solve, make a pragmatic ruleset and stick with it. 0.5x rates doesn't attract many people, so simply give players the choice to either play at 0.5 or 1x rates, get rid of this progressive stuff. Let people choose at lvl 10 if they want to continue with 0.5x rates till the end or if they - permanently - wanna increase the rates to x1/blizzlike. Rewards for those who level with 0.5: One reward upon choosing the rates at lvl 10 and one reward for reaching lvl 60 at 0.5x.
Another thing: This server is listed as "custom/RP server" on the WoW private server reddit. While the RP-tag makes it somewhat special (you should declare that it's optional though), the custom-tag scares away many people. Having an ingame cashshop... well, if you really need it. But changing too much other stuff besides the rates will quickly ruin the blizzlike experience most people are looking for.
Thanks btw for prodiving this server, appreciation for what you guys are doing sometimes gets lost in all the bickering and moaning.
-Kainnee
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I came to this sever specifically because of the low rate, and your advertisement of blizz-like-no-pay-to-win policy.
I dare say most of us did.
But you have already changed exp rate. I didn't like it, but OK I guess.
Then you advertise the joy of leveling slowly, enjoying the game... but you gave free riding skill to people who leveled fast. That is contradictory to the essence of the server, and to the vanilla blizz-like policy.
If more changes like these are made... then I'd have no interest in continuing here, I'd just go back to other servers, which would be pretty much the same, inane, soulless thing, but with higher pop.
I dare say most of us did.
But you have already changed exp rate. I didn't like it, but OK I guess.
Then you advertise the joy of leveling slowly, enjoying the game... but you gave free riding skill to people who leveled fast. That is contradictory to the essence of the server, and to the vanilla blizz-like policy.
If more changes like these are made... then I'd have no interest in continuing here, I'd just go back to other servers, which would be pretty much the same, inane, soulless thing, but with higher pop.
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Ok , is not DEAD is porn ! , got it XD !
100 ppl on weekend ! ,,both H-A is like playing alone in one zone ! - no instances , no progression !
Why anyone spend time on a serv where is no progression ?!
Talents respec gold rates ! - some ppl want to experiment ! /some ppl need a change more often then other classes ! - grinding 2-5 days for a respec is shit ! , I'm talking about early stage of the game !
Improve the donation shop !
PS " you can use the clickbait " in a more constructive way ! - maybe for adv the serv
100 ppl on weekend ! ,,both H-A is like playing alone in one zone ! - no instances , no progression !
Why anyone spend time on a serv where is no progression ?!
Talents respec gold rates ! - some ppl want to experiment ! /some ppl need a change more often then other classes ! - grinding 2-5 days for a respec is shit ! , I'm talking about early stage of the game !
Improve the donation shop !
PS " you can use the clickbait " in a more constructive way ! - maybe for adv the serv
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This is an RP server and the upcoming subreddit will help us advertise all the great RP we are having so really no need to change population will grow steadily
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I can't speak for everybody but I think we don't need click bait or incentives to bring people in. Stuff like that doesn't work long term. As everyone mentioned the rates got a change, I personally have my main set to hardcore and still have fun with it, the only snag I've had is the fact that I play only two days a week mostly, more if I'm lucky, and the fact that when I play is 11 to 6 in the morning EST, far as I know this server is based in EU so time difference. That's about the only thing. Everyone I have met has been awesome and I've been enjoying the slow pace.
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@TS; meh.
Started with 0.5 and even after change turned in Hardcore mode to retain the rates. Leveling my professions and happy about it.
RP is ok even if it's not everywhere so I'm feeling like I'm back at Argent Dawn (EU RP server).
Those who need it faster and bigger pop plz gtfo.
Started with 0.5 and even after change turned in Hardcore mode to retain the rates. Leveling my professions and happy about it.
RP is ok even if it's not everywhere so I'm feeling like I'm back at Argent Dawn (EU RP server).
Those who need it faster and bigger pop plz gtfo.
Slowly turtling my way up.Re: [Clickbait]: This server is xxx!
This is not the server for everyone. If you want to race to 60 or rush raiding, you won’t like this place. If you want to play in a nontoxic environment with the most pleasant community as you complete nearly every quest in the game, you’ll find this place quite nice.
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"This server is not for everyone."
If you really want a server where the only thing people do is sit in a Tavern in Menethil or Crossroads, doing cheap roleplaying... Yea, have fun. Roleplaying or not, the game lives and dies with it's community. I would agree that quality is more important than quantity, but about 100 people both sides at peaktime doesn't bode well for the future. WoW isn't the most cooperative MMO there is, but it's not meant to be a singleplayer game.
If you really want a server where the only thing people do is sit in a Tavern in Menethil or Crossroads, doing cheap roleplaying... Yea, have fun. Roleplaying or not, the game lives and dies with it's community. I would agree that quality is more important than quantity, but about 100 people both sides at peaktime doesn't bode well for the future. WoW isn't the most cooperative MMO there is, but it's not meant to be a singleplayer game.
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That's why devs ask players for their ideas, they try to get that quality in those quantities. We'd better be helping if something. At least information wise. Bugs reports and so on.Kainnee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:37 am"This server is not for everyone."
If you really want a server where the only thing people do is sit in a Tavern in Menethil or Crossroads, doing cheap roleplaying... Yea, have fun. Roleplaying or not, the game lives and dies with it's community. I would agree that quality is more important than quantity, but about 100 people both sides at peaktime doesn't bode well for the future. WoW isn't the most cooperative MMO there is, but it's not meant to be a singleplayer game.
Slowly turtling my way up.Re: [Clickbait]: This server is xxx!
Oh, I completely agree. I don’t want to exclude people from this server. I want everyone to enjoy the server. That said, I don’t want the devs to bend over backwards to change the founding principles of this server to try to get a few more players. Several people on the site have said they want things like:Kainnee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:37 am"This server is not for everyone."
If you really want a server where the only thing people do is sit in a Tavern in Menethil or Crossroads, doing cheap roleplaying... Yea, have fun. Roleplaying or not, the game lives and dies with it's community. I would agree that quality is more important than quantity, but about 100 people both sides at peaktime doesn't bode well for the future. WoW isn't the most cooperative MMO there is, but it's not meant to be a singleplayer game.
- PvP by default
- 1x rates (or higher)
- Cheaper respec costs/other unBlizzlike modifications
- General long-term focus on raiding, not on questing and experiencing the world in an immersive way
All of those changes would be a massive disruption to what drew the initial population, save maybe the rates, which have already been adjusted but retain an option to stay at 0.5. When someone comes here demanding these things, my response is that “this is not the server for you.”
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There is literally nothing special to be changed or done to increase population...
We won't reach 2k players in peak time.... ever... but my opinion is that, with right marketing, we can boast 1k population.
We need voting sites, sponsored video promos trough popular youtube channels for vanilla wow (dodgy's coverage of server would be osom), facebook add which will cover majority of balkan region (you wouldn't believe how popular vanilla wow is there) and that's pretty much it.
I'm perfectly positive about this being recipe for at least 400-500 people in 3-4 months time span.
We won't reach 2k players in peak time.... ever... but my opinion is that, with right marketing, we can boast 1k population.
We need voting sites, sponsored video promos trough popular youtube channels for vanilla wow (dodgy's coverage of server would be osom), facebook add which will cover majority of balkan region (you wouldn't believe how popular vanilla wow is there) and that's pretty much it.
I'm perfectly positive about this being recipe for at least 400-500 people in 3-4 months time span.