Removing premade from battlegrounds

[Ftylv]

Have you ever considered removing premades from battlegrounds? It really ruins the gaming experience for hordes and alliances.

For alliances, good rankers went to premades so normal players suffering from horde rankers pugs and getting way less honors than premades.

For hordes you meet premades almost every game in ab,wsg bonus days, mostly the best you can do is just giving up and not fighting just afk to get fast honors.

Hope devs can take this into consideration someday.

[Atreidon]

Let me paraphrase
"Have you ever considered making it impossible for people to play with their friends, making it way more intimidating to hop into pvp in the first place and shattering the small pvp community that does exist on turtle"

Let instead everybody be forced to play alongside randoms who will ignore objectives to chase after kills, Shamans paladins & priests who will outright refuse to heal or dispell and getting flamed at by randoms who ignore the objectives that they are useless and should do the objective the foulmouth so conviniently ignored?

Wow is a social game, just find some friends of your own to que with.

Just turn bgs crossfaction instead and you have a much bigger playerpool to let the bg que pitch premades against premades. It also solves all faction imbalances appart from the map itaself

[Zvyrhol]

This PvP community is small. I know only one premade on the server and that is chinese alliance team. They are simply so good that the best strategy as a Horde is to avoid them. They play only AB and WSG from 7 a.m to 5 p.m. I hope it helps.

[portraitjibb]

Let me paraphrase
"Have you ever considered making it impossible for people to play with their friends, making it way more intimidating to hop into pvp in the first place and shattering the small pvp community that does exist on turtle"snake game

Let instead everybody be forced to play alongside randoms who will ignore objectives to chase after kills, Shamans paladins & priests who will outright refuse to heal or dispell and getting flamed at by randoms who ignore the objectives that they are useless and should do the objective the foulmouth so conviniently ignored?

Wow is a social game, just find some friends of your own to que with.

Just turn bgs crossfaction instead and you have a much bigger playerpool to let the bg que pitch premades against premades. It also solves all faction imbalances appart from the map itaself

[Elduro]

No one uses premade que to "enjoy it with friends", they only use it to abuse the system and farm impossible amounts of honor, while others stay behind by far

[Grizb37]

IMO should be limited to a party of 5 and no more. a full 10 man premade just demolishes WSG against any PUG... atleast with 5 premaders you actually have a chance if you get decent geared players.

[Bigsmerf]

No one uses premade que to "enjoy it with friends", they only use it to abuse the system and farm impossible amounts of honor, while others stay behind by far

And everyone else is welcome to do that as well should they believe it's worth the effort.

[Elduro]

Then you acknowledge the fact that its not a tool to play with friends, but an elitist one. Jump into any BG and you will know that's the case, applies for both sides.
Removing premade will allow anyone to jump into BGs with no advantages, both sides would have the same chance to get noobs and strong players. No system abusing, or at least not as bad as what we got now.
I made a post about this, if you care to give it a read.
viewtopic.php?t=14782

[Bigsmerf]

Then you acknowledge the fact that its not a tool to play with friends, but an elitist one. Jump into any BG and you will know that's the case, applies for both sides.
Removing premade will allow anyone to jump into BGs with no advantages, both sides would have the same chance to get noobs and strong players. No system abusing, or at least not as bad as what we got now.
I made a post about this, if you care to give it a read.
viewtopic.php?t=14782

It's not elitist. Everyone can use it. There is no gatekeeping, or special privileges. Only decisions. If you don't like that people are making groups, then simply find one to join.

There ARE groups to play with, right? Obviously if this issue is a problem for you, there would be people making premades during the time you're playing for you to join. Or- are those all somehow only something the opposite faction does?

[Elduro]

Both factions suffer from this and it is elitist.
Let´s say you are a noob and gather 4 more noobs to play, you will still lose and maybe enjoy the time with your friends, making it casual for this group in particular.
Now let´s say you want rank 14, you MUST be accepted on the tryhard teams (Which is usually just 1 per faction), and let´s say you can´t, it could be full or they might just not like you, then you are screwed, you wont match their honor gains no matter which faction you are playing.
Also, this will provoke the other faction to make a premade as well, what does this mean?
These elitist premades will make sure to not face the other premade team, and they are doing this today, so they face the randoms which will have a boring horrible time and this will happen on both sides. This happens because this a private server, not retail from early 2000s or 2019, this place does not have that amount of people. It´s not welcoming to all players.

[Atreidon]

Anyone that spends the hours necessary to actually reach rank 14 just by virtue of exposure will get to know some people he wants to play with. Wether that be purely for fun, or for hourly gains is not really important.

The main "problem" here is how the pvp rank decay punishes players disproportionally who dont want to play with friends and instead play the game as a lone wolf.

The argument wether a online game should have a reason to group aside, the main frustrator here is not necessarily premades. Its the ridicoulous grind from r11 - r14 forcing everyone to grind well past the point of enjoyment.

[Darktifa]

Now let´s say you want rank 14

You expect to achieve the highest pvp rank by playing vs solo random under geared players?

[Caos]

The root issue of matching premades with pugs is that is just an unfair match that the premade team will win 99.9999% of the times which is obviously not good for the game.
Wether there are not enough premades to do premade vs premade is not an excuse to just ruin the game for the pug players.
It's should not be sane for premades either, as a sane person usually needs some kind of challenge to have fun and should get bored with a free win. The reason they do it is to optimize the honor gain and this should be addressed. "The players will optimize the fun of the game if you let them"

[Jkldsngkljsng]

"I want to play with friends"

Then premade versus another premade you dimwit.

[Atreidon]

"i want to play a multiplayer game but all by myself and i need everyone else to also play it this way"
...

[Jkldsngkljsng]

"I want to premade but I don't want to play against other premades"

[Atreidon]

"I want to premade but I don't want to play against other premades"

You are not only a prick but also lack a basic understanding of the forces at play:

1. The server has not enough players to have separate ques that pop for both premades & solos simultaneously. That means even if you split the ques, it wont do shit, as premades will rather que up in solo all after another. Still ending up 5+ players of the same 10 man stack in the same bg.
2. People will start to manipulate the que by joining on burner alts & quitting to ensure their rankings are optimal.
3. As result of the former, every bg will feel like alterac that closes half the time after 10 mins because the herbfarmers tap out. Since the burner alts rather take 15 min afk penalty than a ban for not playing

It is a completely nonsensical change that has made situations worse on every struggling server that has ever implemented it.
The root cause is the need to have to optimize honorgains. And as long as that is in the game people will ruin whatever is in their way to finally be done with it.
Because if thats not in the game you can afford to just not que on a bad day

[Ftylv]

Have you ever considered removing premades from battlegrounds? It really ruins the gaming experience for hordes and alliances.

For alliances, good rankers went to premades so normal players suffering from horde rankers pugs and getting way less honors than premades.

For hordes you meet premades almost every game in ab,wsg bonus days, mostly the best you can do is just giving up and not fighting just afk to get fast honors.

Hope devs can take this into consideration someday.

[Ftylv]

Let me paraphrase
"Have you ever considered making it impossible for people to play with their friends, making it way more intimidating to hop into pvp in the first place and shattering the small pvp community that does exist on turtle"

Let instead everybody be forced to play alongside randoms who will ignore objectives to chase after kills, Shamans paladins & priests who will outright refuse to heal or dispell and getting flamed at by randoms who ignore the objectives that they are useless and should do the objective the foulmouth so conviniently ignored?

Wow is a social game, just find some friends of your own to que with.

Just turn bgs crossfaction instead and you have a much bigger playerpool to let the bg que pitch premades against premades. It also solves all faction imbalances appart from the map itaself

pvp is a small community, i play with my friends all the time in bgs, we do solo que everytime because we are hordes. and i believe this can happen to alliance players as well. Mostly there is always only 1 or 2 bgs going on. I assume you don't do bgs much lately.

[Elduro]

Now let´s say you want rank 14

You expect to achieve the highest pvp rank by playing vs solo random under geared players?

Every team is composed of 15 people, more or less, no premades will guarantee both sides will have fresh 60s and geared expert players, which side gets the most is pure RNG, not unfair system manipulation, which is what we get now.